General > Beating a dead horse
Filtration in hot tubs
wmccall:
Is Coast the only spa that has a filter that can be removed without dumping the filtered stuff back into the tub? That was one thing that stayed with me from a demo at the fair. I think about it every time I take my filter out of the filter well and grass and other stuff falls off the filter when I take it out.
windsurfdog:
--- Quote ---Is it really worth the added cost of all those filters AND all the additional time required to clean them?
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And add to Doc's statement these thoughts re: 100% no-bypass filtration: Hot Springs has hit their design limit re: number of therapy pumps--2--without adding yet more filters (at least 2/pump). I don't see anyone getting excited about dealing with 7 or more filters. Hot Springs owners will counter that 2 therapy motors are all that are needed....and I'm happy that they are satisfied....but there are many of us non-HS owners who enjoy the added power and flexibility/adjustability that 3 or more therapy pumps provide.
And one more thought.....if Watkins is so high on 100% no-bypass filtration, why are not all of their tubs designed so?......hmmmm.....
J._McD:
--- Quote ---I hate to bring this up since it will probably go to the Dead Horse section anyway. Why is HS the only manufacturer to use No-Bypass? I'm not saying it's better or worse. Does HS hold Intellectual Property on this design? I would think at least one other company would grab on to it if it had merit. ???
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This would be my point of view and is not intended to mislead anyone about how Hot tubs work.
You take you weakness and you make it your strength. Years ago, HS sell would always be the last to leave the show and they would leave their spa on full tilt because the circ pump would not keep up with the needed filtration.
We were strong advocates of Ozone back in the mid 80's, and I had several customer neighbors call us out to look at their green water spas because they wanted to apply ozone. We couldn't recommend it because of the injection rate and filtration rate.
One of the biggest claims of competition with HS was all of the filters you had to clean. Needless to say it was a turnoff. Make you weakness your strength, let's call it "no-bypass" filtration, becouse "bypass" was a common term used in the "80's regarding filtration.
This gives credibility to all the filters, and the NEW "tri-x" filters are being promoted to be sooo easy to clean in the diswasher. Some people are opposed to this concept.
ALL SPAS FILTER WATER AND DO IT EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY INCLUDING HS AND EVERY OTHER MANUFACTURER MENTIONED HERE. To say their filtration is in any way superior is to do exactly what Pkud is worried about, misleading the unknowing consumer.
Well "100% no-bypass" is NOT misleading, but they seem to imply no other spa is worthy of consideration because it does not even begin to compare to their 100% blah, blah.
Is there ANYONE on this form that has a spa with POOR filtration. Please speak up.
Another reason for so many filters is that every pump must have 2 suction fittings to prevent the potential of suction entrapment. HS simply puts filters on both suction fittings for their big pumps.
salesdvl:
--- Quote ---And one more thought.....if Watkins is so high on 100% no-bypass filtration, why are not all of their tubs designed so?......hmmmm.....
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I know this one. I remember a conversation I had while having dinner w/ the Pres of Watkins many years ago. We were discussing various spa models and he was asked why they didnt put a moto-massage on the Prodigy. His response was to give seperation and reasons to upgrade. He said that he didnt want people to buy the Prodigy, he wanted them to upgrade to the Sovereign. therefore, the reason they do not put the same filter plumbing in the Tiger River, Caldera, etc.. is to be able to charge the premium price for this "premium feature". In fact, years ago they printed up a sheet that could be handed out that listed the "Premium Features" that were on a Hot Spring that could not be found on any other spa.
shabba34:
--- Quote ---And add to Doc's statement these thoughts re: 100% no-bypass filtration: Hot Springs has hit their design limit re: number of therapy pumps--2--without adding yet more filters (at least 2/pump). I don't see anyone getting excited about dealing with 7 or more filters. Hot Springs owners will counter that 2 therapy motors are all that are needed....and I'm happy that they are satisfied....but there are many of us non-HS owners who enjoy the added power and flexibility/adjustability that 3 or more therapy pumps provide.
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More mis-information. 325 sq ft filtering 180-200gpm pumps. Seems to me they have plenty of available sq ft of filtration to do what ever they want while still maintaining no bypass filtration. ;)
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