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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Life Expectancy of Hot Tub
« Last post by Mikedee on Today at 01:11:45 pm »
Spatech

You made me laugh when you mentioned your wifeís Pontiac Fiero.. I also wanted one and my dad refused to let me buy it saying it was gonna be a headache .. I agree with you that you canít base a trend just cause i had good luck with Thermospas.. You are correct about my water maintenance though.. I was always a stickler and still am about proper sanitation, and good balanced water chemistry..I believe itís one of the reasons my tub has lasted so long and the components lasted.. Iím hoping it will continue working for a few more years til we retire and sell the house but either way it worked out well in my case ..
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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Life Expectancy of Hot Tub
« Last post by Spatech_tuo on Today at 12:46:15 pm »
What brand is your tub, MikeDee?

Iím almost embarrassed to say as I know the brand isnít popular amongst many posters on this forum. That being said itís a Thermospas, Model Park Avenue.. I bought back in 1999..

And here we are in 2021 and your tub is still working (i'm guessing). It's a rotomolded tub so the shell should be still solid. If it's still doing what you bought it for and you still enjoy it, then I would say it owes you nothing. Even now, if you had to put $1000 in repairs in it, it's worth it because it does what you want it to. Today, you have a tub, I'm still waiting for mine and thousands of other people won't have one for months to years. Enjoy what you have.

Tub still works fine mechanically...Shell has a couple of bubbles in it at this point..I agree the tub owes me nothing at this point ( my kids got to enjoy it growing up as did we)...Although I can't remember the exact amount I paid, I'd say the $5k or so it cost me back in 1999 was well worth the money and I'm glad I did it when I first bought my house and the kids were young..

Make no mistake, when we claim certain brands are better or worse than others based on history we mean on average. There are always outliers. Many here will make positives claims about Artesian, Arctic, Bullfrog, Caldera, D1, Hot Springs, Jacuzzi and Sundance (and others) but you'll also see some customers on occasion come on claiming their reputation is untrue because they owned one and had problems. Similarly some may not be fans of other brands like Cal Spas, Master, Thermospas...  over the years certainly there are people who can say they've owned one and it has been great. Samples of 1 aren't a trend. Same with cars, any brand that is considered great has stories that say otherwise while brands/models that fizzled due to quality will have cars still on the road many years later (my wife sighs every time she see a Fierro wishing the beloved car she had when I met her was still in our garage, in reality it was often in the dealer's service garage).

Its great that your spa has lasted the test of time and you probably were an influence to some degree with the way you maintained it. After 22 years its not a surprise the acrylic/Fiberglass shell has a few bubbles, not uncommon for that time/vintage. Are you looking to replace it because its out of commission or is it still running but you see the end coming soon?
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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Life Expectancy of Hot Tub
« Last post by Mikedee on Today at 10:00:55 am »
What brand is your tub, MikeDee?

Iím almost embarrassed to say as I know the brand isnít popular amongst many posters on this forum. That being said itís a Thermospas, Model Park Avenue.. I bought back in 1999..

And here we are in 2021 and your tub is still working (i'm guessing). It's a rotomolded tub so the shell should be still solid. If it's still doing what you bought it for and you still enjoy it, then I would say it owes you nothing. Even now, if you had to put $1000 in repairs in it, it's worth it because it does what you want it to. Today, you have a tub, I'm still waiting for mine and thousands of other people won't have one for months to years. Enjoy what you have.

Tub still works fine mechanically...Shell has a couple of bubbles in it at this point..I agree the tub owes me nothing at this point ( my kids got to enjoy it growing up as did we)...Although I can't remember the exact amount I paid, I'd say the $5k or so it cost me back in 1999 was well worth the money and I'm glad I did it when I first bought my house and the kids were young..
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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Life Expectancy of Hot Tub
« Last post by cranbiz on Today at 08:43:50 am »
What brand is your tub, MikeDee?

Iím almost embarrassed to say as I know the brand isnít popular amongst many posters on this forum. That being said itís a Thermospas, Model Park Avenue.. I bought back in 1999..

And here we are in 2021 and your tub is still working (i'm guessing). It's a rotomolded tub so the shell should be still solid. If it's still doing what you bought it for and you still enjoy it, then I would say it owes you nothing. Even now, if you had to put $1000 in repairs in it, it's worth it because it does what you want it to. Today, you have a tub, I'm still waiting for mine and thousands of other people won't have one for months to years. Enjoy what you have.
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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Life Expectancy of Hot Tub
« Last post by Mikedee on May 05, 2021, 10:21:30 pm »
What brand is your tub, MikeDee?

Iím almost embarrassed to say as I know the brand isnít popular amongst many posters on this forum. That being said itís a Thermospas, Model Park Avenue.. I bought back in 1999..
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Hot Spring Spas / Re: Sovereign or Flair
« Last post by MKhottub8 on May 05, 2021, 07:57:17 pm »
Hello All,

I have ordered a Sovereign and it will be here in July/August. However my dealer has a Flair in for immediate delivery. Price is the same for either one. I have sat in both dry and have wet tested other Highlife and Limelight models so I have an idea of different jets. Any advice is greatly appreciated.


Thanks
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Did you previously review both then decide to get the Sovereign or is this a comparison you didn't previously consider. If this is a second review on a decision you'd made earlier that's fine but just make sure you're not letting a couple months of availability dictate which spa will be sitting in your yard for the next 15 years.


No this is a second review as I did not consider the Flair as an option. Just wish I could have wet tested both of them!
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This is the same throughout the entire industry.  We've been taking what the manufacturers are telling us and adding more padding to cover our butt.  Even with the additional time, we are still not meeting projections.  It's just absolutely bonkers.  We are letting people cancel at any time and when they do, those spas are selling before we hang up the phone. 

At the end of the day, I think most dealers are trying to be honest and  are giving the best information that they have at the time.  Unfortunately, new unforeseen supply chain issues continue to pop up.  It's getting frustrating to continually get yelled at by customers.  I promise, we aren't trying to be shady.
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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Life Expectancy of Hot Tub
« Last post by MGM on May 05, 2021, 04:56:39 pm »
What brand is your tub, MikeDee?
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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Life Expectancy of Hot Tub
« Last post by cranbiz on May 05, 2021, 03:03:04 pm »
I don't disagree with you.

The tub itself could easily last that long but new enhancements and technology could cause a consumer to replace an old tub. Doesn't mean the tubs life expectancy changes, just consumer tastes. If it happens to end up in the landfill, again it's not because the tub failed and isn't a reflection of life expectancy.

And as I said before, there are plenty of lesser tubs that deserve landfill status.

There are users with 20 year old tubs that have mechanical timers and basic jetting that are perfectly happy with them. Then there are consumers that "need" the latest and greatest and turn over their tubs in 5 years.

As I thought about this further, you might be closer on age. There are soo many poor tubs out there that would certainly skew the overall life expectancy.
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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Life Expectancy of Hot Tub
« Last post by Spatech_tuo on May 05, 2021, 02:27:38 pm »
What @Tman122 said.

10-20 years, 15-20 years are pretty close, the average is only a couple years different. Now, if you own a LPI product, 3-5 years is what you should expect. I'm talking about the quality brands. Artesian, Marquis, Hot Springs, etc. Not Master, Aqua Living and the likes of cheap spas.

Never said that it might not be cost effective if you lost 2 pumps and a Spa Pack at the same time but replacing those individually over 10 years could be cost effective for some.

There is a BIG difference between customer satisfaction if a spa lasts 10 years vs another that lasts 15.
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