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I work for a manufacturer and we note what products you cannot use (Tri-Chlor tabs, Biguianide, etc) and then state parameters of which you need to stay within (proper pH and alkalinity, for instance).  That is it.  The dealer tends to dictate what you use as a client of theirs for a slew of reasons:  They were trained on XYZ sanitizer 20 years ago and that is all they know, or they will have an exclusivity on a certain product so its to their advantage to pitch that, or they truly feel that whatever their way is is certainly the best way, or they may present several options and simply let you choose. 

The point is - there are many ways to treat a spa.  Source water, region, usage, cost, personal preference, etc. all play into the decision.  There is no best way.  Just ways that might be better for your specific situation.  But most importantly, the manufacturer is unlikely to dictate what you *must* use.

Hope this helps.  Good luck moving forward.
Hot Tub Forum / Re: DIY repair of rotted frame?
« Last post by Red MC on July 13, 2020, 09:12:57 pm »
Yeah, we've contacted some dealers and the projected delivery dates for a new order range from Oct/Nov to next year.  I suspect that current projected delivery dates reflect best case scenarios, and the way COVID-19 is going, I expect that they will move to the right.  If we order now, we're probably looking at mid-winter delivery.  In this part of the country, that could be inconvenient.  After discussing it with my wife, we're probably going to order now/soon anyway, just to get into the production queue.  We thought about waiting until spring, but there's no guarantee that wait times will be any shorter then.

So I'm going to attempt a temporary makeshift repair/reinforcement that minimizes the risk of leaving it unusable.  I'm not going to tilt the spa up on its side because I'm not sure the damaged frame will retain it's structural integrity.  To tilt it, I'd need to drag it off the neoprene pad by about a foot in order for the back edge to clear the privacy fence when tilting, and then the weakened front bottom frame members would be a fulcrum taking the whole weight of the spa during the tilt. 

Instead, my plan is to leave it in its current position.  I'll use a sawzall to cut out a rotted bottom frame rail in between adjacent vertical frame members, and put a new pressure treated board in its place.  I'll glue and screw reinforcing studs onto the sides of the vertical members, each new stud resting on the new bottom rail segment, and use angle brackets to fasten the new lumber together.  And I'll repeat that for all the damaged sections.  It's not a long-term fix, because I'll still be leaving some rotted wood in place at the bottom of each vertical member, but the load can be taken up by the new lumber.  I'm hoping that plain old pressure treated 2x4s can be used for most of it.  If I have to rip some boards to fit, that will be difficult since I don't have a table saw.

Again, thanks for the replies, and I'll probably start a new thread on XL spa options.
Hot Tub Forum / Re: Flo code
« Last post by chrisonowasco on July 13, 2020, 06:14:01 pm »
Thank you for the reply. I tired that already. There’s no pressure switch on the heater. Not sure if I should just replace that next? Any help is appreciated.
Hot Tub Forum / Re: Flo code
« Last post by CanadianSpaTech on July 13, 2020, 06:11:32 pm »
Dirty Filters? Remove filters until issue is fixed
Hot Tub Forum / Re: DIY repair of rotted frame?
« Last post by Spatech_tuo on July 13, 2020, 04:57:09 pm »
Well right now if you want a new spa there are super long waits.

I suggest you visit your local dealers to see what might be available and when. With that info in hand you'll probably decide to do the temporary fix on your current working spa while waiting.
Hot Tub Forum / Flo code
« Last post by chrisonowasco on July 13, 2020, 04:03:53 pm »
I have an older what i believe is a Reflections?Vita hot tub. I keep getting a FLO error code. I made sure there was no air in the lines, I then looked for a pressure switch, apparently there isnt one on this type of spa. Any ideas or advice?
Hot Tub Forum / Re: above ground pool foundation thermo barrier sheets & adhesive
« Last post by jgy2001 on July 13, 2020, 02:45:44 pm »
We are thinking of these, what would you choose?

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Hot Tub Forum / Re: DIY repair of rotted frame?
« Last post by Red MC on July 13, 2020, 01:57:45 pm »
Thanks for the responses.  I am handy, but I have little time these days.  My wife and I both work full time and have to babysit our two kids who are stuck home due to COVID-19.

To clarify, this would be a temporary fix, to get us through the COVID-19 shortages.  We do want a new spa.

Aside from the frame rot and ants in the foam, the spa is fine.  We've had it for 16-17 years, and only had to replace a heater in that time.  The "skin" of the rubber headrests is de-laminating and coming off.  That's the only cosmetic issue.  And some kind of plastic film came out of the "pillow fall" headrest a year or two ago.  It originally created a nice laminar waterfall, but without the plastic film it's now a bit more splashy.  That's the only functional issue, and it's something we don't care about.

The main reason for wanting to buy new is to get something bigger.  We sometimes have other families with kids over, so we'd like something that we can comfortably fit 3-4 adults and 3-4 kids into.  Our current model fits 7, but the seventh "seat" is just the step in.
Bromine feeders are easy. But higher odor, higher maintenance of water balance.

All of the other "supplements" may or may not be worth it to you. To me, the benefit is not enough to justify the cost. Sure, UV, ozone, minerals work. But you still need a good level of sanitation from bromine or chlorine.

Ah - ok. I thought it was chlorine which would have the stronger odor. Good to know!

I read somewhere that (whatever bromine breaks down into) some of it is converted back to its useful state by... and here's where too much reading here/there starts to confuse me... either UV-C or Ozone... ?

Chlorine dissipates quickly in hot water, this is why it is not the preferred sanitation regimen for tubs with low, sporadic usage (no one there to add it every other day or so). Bromine feeders do exactly that, feed bromine continually.
Hot Tub Forum / Re: DIY repair of rotted frame?
« Last post by Spatech_tuo on July 13, 2020, 10:25:37 am »
If you repair it with new wood will the rest of the tub last? PVC and plastic get brittle over time, control systems and pumps fail. This is really a crap shoot.

If you enjoy doing this kind of stuff, tip it up on it's side and go at it. The cost will be minimal.

Agreed, the cost will be minimal, its mostly just your labor so if you're a DIYer then go for it assuming the spa is otherwise in good/serviceable working order.
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