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My hot tub is getting warmer
Campsalot:
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Quoting web sites is not proof. Peer reviewed scientific studies are proof. Any review or analysis of the scientific evidence shows support for the "global warming" issue. For example, a Science Magazine article (3 December 2004) showed that of 928 research articles that mentioned global warming in their abstracts, 75% supported the idea that humans are causing global warming. 25% mentioned global warming, but did not directly attribute a cause. But ZERO percent - not one single study - refuted human-caused global warming.
Quote all the web sites and "experts" you want. I would be very interested in hearing about any study of the literature that showed otherwise. If the conclusions mentioned above - which are also the conclusions mentioned in the recent IPCC report and Al Gore's video - are wrong, then you are correct and global warming is a myth, and I will gladly recant everything I have said.
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I see, if the government (Intergovermental Panel On Climate Change IPCC) and Al Gore say it then it must be true! Right, open your umbrellas folks the sky is truly falling. Remember the government study on acid rain?
Brewman:
Or the government study on sacherine? That was banned for decades- until recently when they realized they were wrong. Not that I'm a big sacharine fan- the stuff tastes kinda icky.
Then they attacked aspartame- but that went silent when the sacharine blunder was uncovered.
One other thing to consider- make sure the cure isn't worse than the disease. Sometimes solutions to problems just shift the issue and in the grand scheme of things don't make too much difference except in perception.
Campsalot:
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There's only one or two on the hoax bandwagon, the not to worry band wagon is loaded to capacity and we want nothing more than cleaner burning cars and factorys. But we don't want a whole bunch of tax payer cash lining the pockets of people confesed to the fact that our world is coming to an end because of GW.
Why is a more moderate approach so out of line? It seems that if you are not for it or against it you are suddenly for it in one camp and against it in the other depending on which camp is looking at you!! We have a whole lot of lifetimes to figure it out as a society, this lifetime does not need to overindulge in the cause, but it does need to focus on it's long term cure for our planets betterment long after our grandkids, grandkids, grandkids are gone.
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Well said and I agree! Once again I'm not saying we should continue to burn fossil fuels, add fossil fuel power plants (nuclear is much cleaner), and ignore our enviroment. I am saying GW is not man made! I am all for smart energy technologies like wind, Hydrogen engines, coal gasification (diesel), and solar.
However because GW is become a political action committee and an industry in it's self we are faced with killing this monster before it's too late. The big problem is we (the US) are into self mutilation. It's is cool to acknowledge how crappy we are as a country. On the other hand we are the mean nasty buggers that consume the majority of oil and pollute the majority of air and kill the majority of all things living. We bad! I just wonder what will happen when China becomes the do-badder. China is adding a coal power plant about once a week and 7 million cars a year, it won't be long before they take the emissions crown away from the US. I wonder if it will change the debate at all? " How do you say "Al Gore" in Chinese? [ch36817][ch20041][ch35789] [ch22269][ch38469][ch20114][ch32852][ch32593] (Father Internet)
Bonibelle:
So lets talk about acid rain!!!
Brewman:
Before anyone goes around claiming that the government or corporations, or anyone but "me" needs to do something consider:
1. We all own hot tubs that consume a lot of electricity- many outside of this forum would consider that very ungreen.
2. I own several non essential polluters- Lawn mower, snowblower, weed wacker,
a boat, a truck, two cars, and a motorcycle. Many would consider that very non green.
3. I also own several TV sets, a computer, and all sorts of appliances that consume electricity just sitting there. I have air conditioning.
4. I don't carpool, or take mass transit.
I have a feeling we all share some if not more of the above to one degree or another.
Point being that before we start harping on others we should all have our own houses in order. I for one don't intend to change anything about my "non green" habbits I listed above.
But then I'm not going around demanding that "someone" has to do "something"
Call me what you will- but I suspect my situation is plenty common amoung this group.
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