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Expectations for Monthly Cost with BullFrog X7L
BullFrogSpasMN:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on February 16, 2019, 08:11:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sam on February 16, 2019, 01:10:01 pm ---Tman, it's not a pitch. It's experience with 1000's of customers in a mountain climate. I'm tired of arguing with you about bullfrog. You've seen a total of 3 in your life so clearly i'm wrong and you are right.
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My post was 100% accurate, read it again. Give me the amp draw on the motor/s and wattage of heater and hours of usage along with climate and I can estimate it better but giving a range of 15 to 50 and asking for more info is accurate even if you don't want it to be. I never even considered the brand into the equation. Somehow you see it as a cut on BF but you always do.
If your tired of arguing give facts and not sales pitch. Meter one. I've metered hundreds. Even a small HS circ pump and heater can run over 50 here where I live. And a 30 dollar average is pretty close for most higher end brands. And I've seen BF's insulation, meh. The OP's salesman lied to him.
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I agree with you on the cost(s)...but as far as insulation being 'meh' you are 100% dead wrong and I have dozens upon dozens of pictures to prove it...they full fill the cabinet even on a $5,995 X5L...I had a 15k Sundance Maxxus on our wet rack a couple months ago, they don't even full fill the cabinet, either does Jacuzzi and other tops brands selling for 10k-15k....Hot Spring/Caldera and Bullfrog are 2 of the only companies I know that actually stand behind a 'Full Foam' sales pitch and back it up by actually fully filling the cabinet space, you can probably toss Marquis into that conversation although I haven't seen inside a brand new one...Sundance and Jacuzzi are by far the biggest joke, they should be advertised as 'Half Foam'
Hottubguy:
--- Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on February 17, 2019, 01:20:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tman122 on February 16, 2019, 08:11:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sam on February 16, 2019, 01:10:01 pm ---Tman, it's not a pitch. It's experience with 1000's of customers in a mountain climate. I'm tired of arguing with you about bullfrog. You've seen a total of 3 in your life so clearly i'm wrong and you are right.
--- End quote ---
My post was 100% accurate, read it again. Give me the amp draw on the motor/s and wattage of heater and hours of usage along with climate and I can estimate it better but giving a range of 15 to 50 and asking for more info is accurate even if you don't want it to be. I never even considered the brand into the equation. Somehow you see it as a cut on BF but you always do.
If your tired of arguing give facts and not sales pitch. Meter one. I've metered hundreds. Even a small HS circ pump and heater can run over 50 here where I live. And a 30 dollar average is pretty close for most higher end brands. And I've seen BF's insulation, meh. The OP's salesman lied to him.
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I agree with you on the cost(s)...but as far as insulation being 'meh' you are 100% dead wrong and I have dozens upon dozens of pictures to prove it...they full fill the cabinet even on a $5,995 X5L...I had a 15k Sundance Maxxus on our wet rack a couple months ago, they don't even full fill the cabinet, either does Jacuzzi and other tops brands selling for 10k-15k....Hot Spring/Caldera and Bullfrog are 2 of the only companies I know that actually stand behind a 'Full Foam' sales pitch and back it up by actually fully filling the cabinet space, you can probably toss Marquis into that conversation although I haven't seen inside a brand new one...Sundance and Jacuzzi are by far the biggest joke, they should be advertised as 'Half Foam'
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Agree with this 100%. Add Marquis on signature series and when you order full foam on celebrity elite and vector series as well. Artesian when ordered full foam is full foam as well. Sundance/Jacuzzi definition of full foam is a joke. Hardly covers the plumbing in most spots.
The Wizard of Spas:
Full foam isn't all the same. Some is open cell, some is closed cell. There is foam density in play as well - tell me the foam density. Ask an Artesian dealer who knows his stuff and he'll tell you there are multiple foam types used in one single tub. Then there is other aspects: Is the tub on the ground? What is the footwell sitting on and is there a transference of heat / cold? That is never discussed. Is it on a deck? Does that catch more wind? Is it in the sun? That is never discussed. Is the lip sealed? Is the base and the cabinet sealed? What is the tub temperature at? That is never discussed. Are you leaving the cover off after adding chemicals? How often are you opening the cover? That is never discussed. What is the "Trim level" of the tub? There are quality factors in most brands, so is this a low - end or high end or mid - range product in the product line? What is the cover dimensions? What is its foam density? Is there a wedge that runs the entirety of the hinge or just on the edges? This is not discussed.
I can go on and on. The point is - there are more variables than that are actually being discussed here.
There is more than just your average talking points. And every talking point can be sculpted by a sales pitch. Not implying anyone is being dishonest or deceitful. I am not trying to take anyone's point of view or side. I am just taking the initial question and showing the complexity of it, and how an answer is not able to be concisely given, due to the sheer volume of variables that usually are not actually discussed even by the longest - term salesperson, or the most knowledgeable.
I tried to tackle this question for the manufacturer I work for, so that my dealers can have an answer to this very question. And the reality is - I personally prefer to just tell them what the CEC test read but then note that there is such a wide berth of variables that it is irresponsible to say "Your tub will cost $X to run" when responding.
That is just my take. Please feel free to dissect this, and provide negative or positive feedback, so long as it is constructive.
swilly1000:
Does this count as full foam?
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPQswQQww-2klulKcumDOblTNv3uJOvvTxfjVKm
What about this?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/b2chRbFQ7NAyEF2JA
castletonia:
I get an error with the first link. Second one is partial foam at best.
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