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Quickbeam:
--- Quote from: av8r on September 20, 2015, 11:20:09 am ---Full power doesn't mean the full level of pressure/volume available at the pump exhaust. It simply means that the system is designed to deliver the highest volume and pressure with as few obstacles to each seat. It's a more efficient design, no one can argue that point. Do BF sales people push the envelope with how they describe it? Probably, but we seem to have a generally more discerning group here that can look beyond that and appreciate the differences in the BF design.
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O.K., I can agree it's a more efficient design although I don't necessarily agree with your definition of what full power means. When someone says Bullfrog gets full power at all seats it's not true and it's misleading. I think people lose credibility when they say Bullfrog has full power at all seats, and I've seen that said a few times in this and other threads. And I'm saying this as someone who likes what Bullfrog is doing.
Jacuzzi Jim:
I don't think I have heard any "Bullfrog dealers" here say there is full power at every seat. And it's not something I mention in my presentation. I do however believe you get more/better flow to the jetpacks than any other spa because there are not nearly as many bends, twist and turns or manifolds in a Bullfrog spa as a conventional spa.
Racenut:
I think this is where the "full power" thing comes from - http://www.bullfrogspas.com/more-power/
I think the full power thing is marketing and design vs physics. Some think full power to each seat means full power of one pump to each seat. OK, lets say they do that with tiny pumps to each seat.. that would then be full power to each seat? Would you be happy then that they claim full power to each seat? I don't think I would be.
Each jet pack has a GPM rating depending on what jets were used in it based on their design for whatever "optimum" is. I think the full power statement comes from being able to deliver that flow. Shutting down seats to deliver all the power of one pump to one seat, is then overdriving the seat, delivering more power than the original design called for. This isn't going to hurt anything, and maybe someone actually wants that much water blasting them in the back. And yes, I suppose any manufacturer could decide that full flow could be delivered to all seats because that's how they "designed and intended them to flow". The fact is that when I sat in a Bullfrog with all the seats wide open, I was still dialing down some of the jet packs because they were more intense than I wanted. Other tubs I have needed to use diverter to reduce flow to one area to give me more power. Though I'm sure there are other tubs out there that can deliver good power to every seat at the same time too.
So yeah, it may be a lil marketing twist, but the jets are still real good with everything wide open, and if you rally want more, you can still make that happen. If there was no way to adjust, then the detractors would have a valid point, you should have control over the flow. Bullfrog just takes a different approach. But there isn't a company out there that doesn't use marketing to fluff things up. If we all just took marketing at face value, we wouldn't even need showrooms or wet tests, just read the brochure and decide what you want.
Tman122:
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--- Quote from: Tman122 on September 20, 2015, 09:13:26 am ---OK lets talk about credibility. "You get full power at all jet pacs" This is scientifically impossible, it's a sales pitch but a bunch of you have fallin for it, drank the koolaid. If you turn all the power to one jet pac it has the full power of the pump, or as much as the plumbing and friction will allow. The second you turn on another jet pac the first looses power and gives it to the second and so on. The BF I looked at didn't have a pump for each jet pac. That's the only way "full power at all jet pacs" is possible.
So those who say "full power at all jet pacs"= no credibility, just koolaid.
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You need to think a little more logically. Full power doesn't mean the full level of pressure/volume available at the pump exhaust. It simply means that the system is designed to deliver the highest volume and pressure with as few obstacles to each seat. It's a more efficient design, no one can argue that point. Do BF sales people push the envelope with how they describe it? Probably, but we seem to have a generally more discerning group here that can look beyond that and appreciate the differences in the BF design.
Playing dumb doesn't help anyone, especially newer folks coming here to seek information. They're looking for an honest discussion with as little noise to signal ration as possible.
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People come here seeking unbiased information. Not skewed facts.
And Jim, what if you put a pump with better flow in an engineered plumbing system with manifolds diverted right, that has actually more pressure and a better feel than one with less plumbing and jet pacs?
Jeez guys, no one has said that it was crappy, or not different. I am simply saying it IS NOT better no matter what the BF salesman or relatively new owners hangin here say. You choose between 15 different feels with BF. If the top 5 manufacturers make 8-10 different models (with different feels) that gives you about 45 different feels. The odds are good that a few of those might be better a little, or lots better than anyone of the 15 different space pacs offer by BF. One of those 60 different feels should be right for almost everyone. Don't buy one because someone called it technology.
Sam:
tech·nol·o·gy
tekˈnäləjē/Submit
noun
the application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes, especially in industry.
"advances in computer technology"
machinery and equipment developed from the application of scientific knowledge.
the branch of knowledge dealing with engineering or applied sciences.
Less plumbing, elbows, and manifolds reduces friction. That is scientific knowledge and it was applied for practical purposes. I'd say the word technology is apropos.
You can do a simple experiment in your own yard. Hook a 100' garden hose to your spigot. Open it all of the way and make note of the pressure coming out the end. Next hook up a 10' garden hose and compare the pressure. *spoiler alert - The 10' garden hose will have significantly more pressure coming out than the longer hose. This is a scientific fact.
Feel the pressure coming out of a jetpak with a 2.5 hp motor with all of the jets turned on. Now compare it to another brand of hot tub with the same motor and number of jets. Guess which one will have more power?
Additionally, there are significantly less holes in the shell. That means there are less potential for leaks and that the shell is stronger than it would be if there were holes for every jet. I'm not saying leaking jets are a huge problem, but I've fixed quite a few in my day.
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