General > Beating a dead horse
Filtration in hot tubs
Mendocino101:
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I think many of the competitors would gladly jump onto no bypass if it weren't for the fact that HS gave it a name and sells the daylights out of it. So now, it would look like they are agreeing with HS and saying that bypassing the filter doesn't make sense.
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Chas,
I have to disagree with you here. If a maker can make a substantial improvement to their product no matter who it is. At some point they are going to do it. In the end if it means more sales they may even put another twist on it. I know nothing about this but just a feeling I have is that Hot Springs will along with others recently have gone go to a larger circ pump if they have not already. I think they probably will have auto clean up cycles as well now this is purely speculation on my part but lunch is on me if in the next few years they do not or as Caldera does they to will have the larger pumps run sometime during the day.
J._McD:
--- Quote ---More mis-information. 325 sq ft filtering 180-200gpm pumps. Seems to me they have plenty of available sq ft of filtration to do what ever they want while still maintaining no bypass filtration. ;)
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Now I find your statement misleading, with 2 pumps pushing 180 to 200 gpm, that's let's say 400 gpm and with 47 jets (the most you can get w/HS) that is less than 10 gpm per jet. That is kind of whimpy and the reason why other manufacturers have gone to 3-4 & 5 pumps to have "meaningful" performance output from each jet.
The best example for the shopper here is to see 100% of all the jet's turned on (sometimes you can NOT do that) to see how much force is coming out of the jets. But then of course, IF you power up just one seat, now that is performance, but to power up all the seats with your friends, sometimes you just can not do that.
This again is why this is a very competitive industry. One manufacturer does not have the answer to everybody's want's or desires. So many people get sooo confused while shopping they fall back into the safety net and simply buy a HS because they feel they are #1 because they are a good choice.
AND THEY ARE. But, that leaves a lot of other very good and even better choices for shoppers to consider. It is the FEAR factor of making the wrong decision. Most every shopper here did a lot of research before making that decision and I see a lot of different brands represented here, NOT jus HS and they LOVE they Hot Water Choice.
All this bragging about #1 is MARKETING, they even admit it is not an audited number. 100% blah, blah, is MARKETING. Cleaning filters in the diswasher is MARKETING. Who is misleading who. ???
salesdvl:
--- Quote ---I have HS and Caldera on my floor, and I can attest to the fact that the HS are easier to keep clean. Same with Tiger River.
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And I can attest to the opposite. I had Hot Spring displays that were alot more difficult to keep clear than my other displays. Interestingly, I remember the MasterSpa displays were generally very crisp with very little effort. We used to comment about how the HS were supposed to be better filtration yet didnt clear up as easily.
hottubdan:
--- Quote ---Now I find your statement misleading, with 2 pumps pushing 180 to 200 gpm, that's let's say 400 gpm and with 47 jets (the most you can get w/HS) that is less than 10 gpm per jet. That is kind of whimpy and the reason why other manufacturers have gone to 3-4 & 5 pumps to have "meaningful" performance output from each jet.
The best example for the shopper here is to see 100% of all the jet's turned on (sometimes you can NOT do that) to see how much force is coming out of the jets. But then of course, IF you power up just one seat, now that is performance, but to power up all the seats with your friends, sometimes you just can not do that.
This again is why this is a very competitive industry. One manufacturer does not have the answer to everybody's want's or desires. So many people get sooo confused while shopping they fall back into the safety net and simply buy a HS because they feel they are #1 because they are a good choice.
AND THEY ARE. But, that leaves a lot of other very good and even better choices for shoppers to consider. It is the FEAR factor of making the wrong decision. Most every shopper here did a lot of research before making that decision and I see a lot of different brands represented here, NOT jus HS and they LOVE they Hot Water Choice.
All this bragging about #1 is MARKETING, they even admit it is not an audited number. 100% blah, blah, is MARKETING. Cleaning filters in the diswasher is MARKETING. Who is misleading who. ???
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As I am sure you know, typically the 47 jets are not on all of the same time. Since most of the time the diverter valves (pretty much an industry standard feature) are set to one side or the other, using your numbers, we now have 20 gpm.
You probably know on a Hot Spring, you do not power up just one seat. Depending on the spa, you power up half or a quarter of the spa.
I am a dealer. I am the one who "admitted" the numbers of our industry are not audited. From my discussions with upper management (the mother ship), Watkins would be the first to agree to independent auditing of spas manufactured.
Cleaning the Tri X filters in the dishwasher is simply a feature. If features are marketing, so be it.
rick:
What's a diverter valve?
My Coleman has no such thing.
All six seats get therapy unless I close individual jet nozzles.
Let me ask you all this:
Does you spa have a cloth like round thin filter pad that sits on top of your skimmer?
Coleman has been doing this for some time now but I never hear about anybody else doing it.
It is a front line defense from any debris getting into the pipes. Just take it off once a week and hose it off. Amazing how much crap accumulates there.
Also, didn't realize how much hair I'm losing, arghhh!
As a result, my single filter takes quite a long time to get dirty and require a rinse and clean.
2 year old spa, still on same original filter.
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