General > Beating a dead horse
Those with home show questions...Heres your sign!!
hottubdan:
There are other reasons, but the FACT is full foam costs more, meaning so-called thermal pane costs less to manufacture.
stl-rex:
--- Quote ---There are other reasons, but the FACT is full foam costs more, meaning so-called thermal pane costs less to manufacture.
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Are you sure your facts are absolutely correct? One could speculate that mfrs use full foam to skimp on the shell, making it actually less expensive to make a FF spa than a well designed TP spa whose shell needs no foam to support and no other supports under the seats. But what the hell do I know. I'm just a stupid consumer..... ;D
stl-rex:
--- Quote ---Now that's what I'm talking about!!! Because you own a spa you want to seen as an expert on your brand! I own a BMW Cycle but I know far less about it then the mechanic at the Honda dealership that works on all brands. Staying at a holiday inn express doesn’t really give you knowledge!
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No but as an owner, I can give an opinion on my observations and performance of the spa. Primarily how it performs in relation to what you yourself state is important – clean hot water, good jets and comfy seats, which is generally where I stay. You don’t hear me rant on about 20 year life expectancy or “TP is the best”.
--- Quote ---Do you think Arctic invented Thermopane insulation?
Do you think they engineered that equipment pack or invented the cedar wood cabinet? Fact is that most of the things they have one that spa are ideas taken from other brands.
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Nope – spas have been around for some time. They’re in an evolutionary state. However, spa mfrs may work with other companies to mfr parts to their specifications that may perform differently than off the shelf equipment used by the bargain basement guys. Heck they may even engineer their own parts on occasion.
--- Quote ---I've seen hundreds of spas with similar features...some last some don't but I've seen them fail and survive at most levels. You've seen your spa…How many wooden rails have you fixed on spas? How many cabinet doors of the same design have you repaired? Do you have any idea how many motors failed on the first brands of TP spas because they never cooled and stayed in constant overheat condition? Do you think they did that in the first 3 years? I promise you that your motors stand a better chance of failure by the 5-year mark than many others but you wouldn't know that because you haven't gotten to that point.
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Nope I haven’t got there yet. My primary concern when wet testing were the jets and seats. If the motors fail within 5 years, I’m covered by warranty. If they fail sometime thereafter, I’d still rather have my seats and jets, given what I felt was vastly superior feel and comfort.
stl-rex:
--- Quote ---Do you have any idea how heavy all of those 6 inch covers will get when they begin to water log?
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Guess I’ll have to wait and see how heavy that 5”-4” cover gets. Guess I’ll also have to see if it was marketing speak regarding how quickly they take on water since each core is cast whole and not cut and thus not leaving a more porous exposed edge.
--- Quote ---Are you that blinded to see that I have no problem with your relationship with your spa or brand? I have a problem with how they have been marketed for the last few years. Your spa is not the problem, the quality is not the problem, the attitude of many dealers and the way the factory allows and perhaps encourages sales is. Do you have an identity problem that makes you think your employed by Arctic in some way?
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Nah, I don’t think I’m employed by them. Far from it. I happen to think it’s a fine tub with great jets and comfy seats. Since that usually gets lost quickly in any Arctic thread, that is the point I usually add.
--- Quote ---You know plenty, you know a lot about your spa and your have a mild knowledge of the few tubs you wet tested but that's it.
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The mild knowledge I have is again what folks here keep saying is important – how the spa feels. Sure it’s my opinion and it’s stated that way regarding jet feel and pressure
--- Quote ---I test drove several cars before I bought my SUV but that doesn’t make me Ralph Nader.
God I hope not! But you could sure have some strong opinions on which ones handle well, accelerate well, i.e. perform well. Just as I do regarding the spas I tested.
--- Quote ---Your right your formed an opinion...that's all it is, your opinion! You have yet to dissect the industry enough for it to be solid fact. You’re on a journey to that knowledge and this site is part of that but your still a long way from many who have been trekking that road most of their lives.
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And these forums are great for disseminating opinions, along with experience and occasionally relevant facts.
--- Quote ---My agenda is the bottom line? What is it that you think I get paid for here? I’ve spent countless hours here helping people on brands that I don’t give a crap about because they felt they had no where else to turn. I’ve called factories, dealerships and even component manufactures to help people on this forum and it didn’t get me a thing! When’s the last time you called a competitor up to help one of their customers for no personal gain? I do it all the time here.
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I said dealers, not you specifically. If you recall, I actually commented that I found most of your posts informative and helpful.
--- Quote ---Where is it that you get that I have contempt for my customers? By me questioning the rudeness of some people at a show? Let me ask you something…Because I make a joking comment about the spa brand you bought, you feel that you can justify attacking me and a brand that you know little to nothing about? Are you OK with the potential that your attitude could take food off of my table? I have no choice but to take this dead serious, it’s my livelihood….It’s your hobby.
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Based on prior rather caustic comments from you, I didn’t take it as joking. I wasn’t the only one as I read through the posts.
--- Quote ---Next week for grins lets get into a discussion about what you do for a living, your obviously bored with it if you spend so much time trying to dominate mine…
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Yep I’m down to 2-4 posts per week on average (except this week) and I’m really trying to dominate the industry. ::)
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stl-rex:
--- Quote ---Looks like its time to rant...so here I go.
I'm getting sick of people on this forum suggesting that the only thing that matters is the wet test.
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Is it the only thing? Nope, but it should be number one. Your Maxxus is a pretty slick tub. Had we purchased it, we'd be pretty unhappy with it and it would get nowhere near the use of our Tundra. Why? It didn't fit us. Your Optima is a nice spa also. It was probably #2 behind the Tundra. But the wife fit in more of the Tundra seats due to the sculpted seating. She had more to brace against to limit float. The ONLY way to know these things is to wet test. It does no good to buy a "quality" spa if it doesn't meet your needs. You won't get the use out of it.
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