Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: gtp on March 29, 2007, 07:53:13 pm
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I'm curious how much change there is from one model year to the next for the industry. Is it like cars where they are basically the same for 2-3 years then maybe a major change? Are changes more likely cosmetic or internal with pumps, etc. What have been the some of the most significant changes for the better the last few years?
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I'm curious how much change there is from one model year to the next for the industry. Is it like cars where they are basically the same for 2-3 years then maybe a major change? Are changes more likely cosmetic or internal with pumps, etc. What have been the some of the most significant changes for the better the last few years?
I think the biggest change is probably filtration differnt types of filter media and ways to circulate water, high flow pumps things like that, not talking about main pumps but circ pumps.
I think a lot of these companys have also started throwing way to many bells and whistle type stuff at spa's granted it looks nice but all it really does is raise the price of the spa.
I am not sure whats next probably more stuff like HS is doing with these automated built in chem systems that have been around for awhile but I think companys are getting better at it and making it easier for the consumer to maintain there spa. I have yet to see anything that is fool proof yet though.
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Agree that making water chemistry easier is probably a big target for the manufacturers. I need all the help I can get. Would be interesting to know what the R&D geeks are thinking about implementing in the tubs to come. The change from the 06 Epic to the 07 is "a slight modification to the base and the cabinet length". Maybe the change from the 07 to 08 will be another "zone". I'd hate to buy a tub now not knowing a "breakthrough" is a year away. But then, one would never buy anything. Guess it's all in the timing.
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It would be really cool if they would just invent one of those Devices that they have in Finding Nemo that scans the tank with a freakin lazer beam and cleans it all for you.... :)
:o
Warp
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Reason for the original post:
Bought wife's parents house in FLA..parents still live there.
Wife goes down every winter.
Plan to retire move to FL end of 08.
If bought spa now (would have to be a really great deal), she could use in winter… but......
She'd be there only in winter and parents would have to maintain (eeehhhh)
Warranty would be elapsing while not using.
So logically it makes sense to wait plus there may be improvements between now and then.
Again wondered how much improvement/changes one could expect from one year to the next
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Probably not a lot of major changes. As said earlier, you might see changes in features, but nothing really to do with the function of the spa.
For instance, Jacuzzi added LED lights to their cupholders on some spas. That's a pretty cool feature they didn't have last year.
Last year, Hot Spring added Stainless Steel fittings to their jets. Again, nice, but nothing to the function of a spa. Now, I just saw on the HSS website an iPod docking thingy.
So, you will see some stuff from year to year. If you think the types of things mentioned would make you regret having bought a spa now, then wait. If those aren't big deals, then go ahead and do it.
The mfgs keep what they are working on very close to the vest, so it is hard to know what might be coming out.
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Thanks. Figured the vast majority of changes are little ones. I presume the tri-zone was a major change for Marquis. Not sure when that came out. Were they changes to an existing model or did they come out with a new one. Maybe they'll come out with quad zone. Guess there's only so much one can do with a box of water.
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Spa industry changes things very slowly. From year to year, I have found design changes to be minimal. Changes take place gradually and over the course of the year, at least that is my experience. Year over year prices tend to rise, so there is a reason to consider last years model, as it will generally be about the same design wise as the current model but cost slightly less. The spa and hot tub business isn't quite like the automobile industry where significant changes take place each year. But in a hot tub, sometimes it is the small changes that make a big difference, controls, pumps, jets, etc, all add to the warm and cosy gestalt of your hot tub, however individually each change is kind of minor and hard to grasp. Good luck and welcome to the fine state of Florida
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These are some areas that I personally hope the industry will work on for future tub designs......my personal "wish list".
#1.
I think they should make changes in the way tubs drain for water changes where it is easier and much more automated....even if it is just offered as an option to folks that want to pay for it.
I am going to eventually do this to my tub with a customization.
(and yes, yes I know it will affect my warranty)
#2.
Another area is the control display units should be more user friendly and easy to read in bright sunlight.
Also control units that swivel....I think some brands already offer this....where you can see it right side up whether you are standing outside the tub or you can swivel it where you can read it from inside the tub.
#3.
Better built in drink holders...deep "non-tip over" drink holders that have drainage features.
#4.
Thinner lighter hot tub covers made from high tech materials that have the same ability to retain heat as the traditional cover...I personally think hot tub cover lifters are ugly and this would help make them obsolete!
#5.
Pop-up towl racks. Offer an optional telescoping towel rack that pops up from within the corner part of a tub shell. When not being used it slides back down into shell/frame area so cover will close.
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These are some areas that I personally hope the industry will work on for future tub designs......my personal "wish list".
#1.
I think they should make changes in the way tubs drain for water changes where it is easier and much more automated....even if it is just offered as an option to folks that want to pay for it.
I am going to eventually do this to my tub with a customization.
(and yes, yes I know it will affect my warranty)
#2.
Another area is the control display units should be more user friendly and easy to read in bright sunlight.
Also control units that swivel....I think some brands already offer this....where you can see it right side up whether you are standing outside the tub or you can swivel it where you can read it from inside the tub.
#3.
Better built in drink holders...deep "non-tip over" drink holders that have drainage features.
#4.
Thinner lighter hot tub covers made from high tech materials that have the same ability to retain heat as the traditional cover...I personally think hot tub cover lifters are ugly and this would help make them obsolete!
#5.
Pop-up towl racks. Offer an optional telescoping towel rack that pops up from within the corner part of a tub shell. When not being used it slides back down into shell/frame area so cover will close.
There is one brand of tub that uses the therapy pumps to assist in draining. I think it's a gret idea and would like to see it employeed on other tubs.
For me:
I think there could be improvements made in cover snaps. four corners, cheap plastic snaps. The snaps break, plust think there could be a better way of holding down the cover tighter with less gaps.
Varaiable speed pumps: Not 2 speed or such, but is it possible to have a rheostat or pot on a pump to dial up and down the speed? (like a dimmer on a light)?
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drew....build it and they will come..........
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drew....build it and they will come..........
Hmmm. I could become a leading ejuneer of spas on da internets. I'd be a genius . Call me Drew the drew! :)
could any folks with greater knoweldge give reasons why a variable controller on a pump wouldn't be a good idea?
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Varaiable speed pumps: Not 2 speed or such, but is it possible to have a rheostat or pot on a pump to dial up and down the speed? (like a dimmer on a light)?
Pentair is making a variable speed pump called the Intelliflo, so your idea could be done.
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could any folks with greater knoweldge give reasons why a variable controller on a pump wouldn't be a good idea? [/quote]
Drew,
A ac variable speed controller on the motor driving the pump is possible. Problems would include but not limited to the following. Money, durability, size, being able to tune pump to all the different speeds, wiring, electrical interference with other components on tub just to name a few. Also not really sure if this option would bring any benefit to user.
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I sent an email to marquis and got the following reply:
"I don’t foresee any major changes in the product line for 08, we usually change models in late October or early November so the products are already moving off the drawing board and into the development stage. We will have a new cabinet color, and probably an additional cabinet design to go with it. There will probably be at least one or two new models in the lower price point range. Our upper end units are being well received so we don’t feel the need to make changes just for the sake of changing. We will add a second jet pump to the Quest, the dealers have been requesting that for the past year. Possibly a built in stereo system as a add on option in the next few months. There may be a couple of new colors, that’s just about it."
That's a lot more than I expected. If we could just get an automated water analysis sytem installed that releases chemicals "as needed" we'd be all set.
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There is one brand of tub that uses the therapy pumps to assist in draining. I think it's a gret idea and would like to see it employeed on other tubs.
For me:
I think there could be improvements made in cover snaps. four corners, cheap plastic snaps. The snaps break, plust think there could be a better way of holding down the cover tighter with less gaps.
Varaiable speed pumps: Not 2 speed or such, but is it possible to have a rheostat or pot on a pump to dial up and down the speed? (like a dimmer on a light)?
Artesian Platinum series has an "infinitely adjustable" controller for almost every seat.
Emerald Spas used to have a towel warmer corner, they still may. Every spa has it's thing.
Electronics is the big "improvement" from what I've seen. I have a simple LED controller on mine. The new version now has fancier electronics. Like everything else - fancier isn't neccessarily better. My LED light can be programmed to come on with a different 1st light - big deal IMO.
I question how much stuff do you really need in a tub. All mechanical and electric/electronic devices eventually fail and then you have a functionless device until you pay to fix it.
Draining my spa with a sump pump hose and a pool cover pump works great. I do have a bottom drain but can't access it due to the deck's joists being in the way - I wouldn't really use it anyway except to drain the last 1/4" of water out. What happens if the therapy pump runs dry - you get called away for some reason - i would rather replace a $60 pump than a $400 pump.
I guess since I repair things for a living I don't get impressed with bells and whistles ... they usually end up breaking first. Everything when it's shiny and new is impressive ... 6 or 7 years down the line is where I look at.
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with all due respect.....thats what I used to hear about electric car windows & locks
i don't know how many times i heard "oh i dont care about those power windows...
thats just something else that can go wrong"
now power windows & power locks are pretty much standard equipment
i like to see companies that are innovative and offer "bells & whistles"
options for customers to choose from.
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Zep,
It seems that you are a person that wants or needs bells and whistles and thats fine. The differences in people make this world an interesting place.
As far as electric door locks and windows, I do own cars with them and I will continue to buy cars with them but in my experience they have given me problems at times. I have had door locks lock and unlock as I went down the road; I've had a driver's side window switch fail after opening up the window and just recently I had both front window motors burn out for some reason and it wasn't like I played with them. I've replaced car speakers because they rotted out. O2 sensors that killed the car. We won't go into owning a home. Things deteriorate - it's the natural law of things.
More gimmicks means more headaches IMO. Get a car with an electronic compass and change the car's battery. From what I've heard that you have to go around in circles a few times to get that thing to calibrate. Lexus makes a car that can park itself ... I like to see the first time the sensors fail and that car bangs into the car in front or in back of it.
My plastic filter lid has cup holders that do me fine; to drain I just lift and dump . My cover lifter has a hook for towels that I didn't install but if I wanted to add a towel rack I can buy that accessory. LCD's are hard to read without my glasses, I can see my LED just fine which BTW is facing correctly when I'm in the tub; my cover covers it when I'm not in the tub so it's not a big deal for me.
OK, I do have a LED light and maybe I possibly might buy a stereo next time but honestly I don't think it'll get good reception or maybe if its just speakers and an amp to hook up another device to it may be worth something.
Again, this is just my opinion based on my experiences both as a consumer and a professional in the repair field.
Vinny
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there is so much pricing pressure in the hot tub retailing business. higher prices even with bells are hard to sell or slow to sell. the ideal spa is the happy medium.....quality, pleasure and reliabilty. but it is a funny business....i sell more expensive spas than lower end units. i feel the key to selling spas is that the hot tub is a unique proposition differentiating it from the others and to the consummer it represents a solid value. over the next year or so, i dont see the industry reaching too far out of the box and creating the ultimate hot tub. the next few years in this industry will be more about marketing, massive design innovations will follow marketing break throughs.....
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Vinny.....I find it is the same with most beautiful women!
;)
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It seems that you are a person that wants or needs bells and whistles and thats fine.
Vinny.....I find it is the same with most beautiful women!
;)
You like women with bells and whistles?
I had a bad experience with a skittish woman who had a whislte.
After I made bail, I vowed never to date another woman who carried a whistle ever again.
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Pentair is making a variable speed pump called the Intelliflo, so your idea could be done.
Very good reason is cost.
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I would personally wait till the last minute to buy your spa. I know here at Bullfrog we made some major improvements to our structure. Removed all wood and added a new base. I believe that the major hot tub brands are going to keep pushing each other to design and build better spas each year. I don't think it will be much longer till there is a spa that does everything we need, wash clothes, remove unwanted hair, help grow back hair... :D
(http://www.bullfrogspas.com/images/display/UniSystem.jpg)
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re: You like women with bells and whistles?
LOL @ Drew...
Yes I like them, but generally they tend to be "higher maintenance".
But because they require more maintenance doesn't mean
I would just settle for an "ugly one/no bells-whistles" to avoid the stress!
;)
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re: Removed all wood
webboy....Interesting pic of new BullFrog shell frame...
Looks pretty high tech.
I agree...I bet wood playing such a large part of spa frames
will be a thing of the past as we move on down the line.
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Talking about water maintenance:
How about a system where a water line is built into the spa, a float mechanism monitors fill level and adds water accordingly. Taking this a step further, a system that automatically drains a small percentage of existing water and then refills to proper level. An accomplished system like this could be the end of ever having to drain your tub and heating up the new water, which is costly.
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.... I don't think it will be much longer till there is a spa that does everything we need, wash clothes, remove unwanted hair,.. :D
Has anyone told Stuart about these new features....? :)
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... I don't think it will be much longer till there is a spa that does everything we need, wash clothes, remove unwanted hair, help grow back hair...
Why would any one want more hair on their back? :-?;)
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Why would any one want more hair on their back? :-?;)
I'm working on the ultimate comb-over ;D Use what you got...right?