Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: East_TX_Spa on December 29, 2006, 06:22:16 pm
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So wrong in soooooo many ways :) Happy New Years
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Happy New year and keep you bald head shining
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Do you guys dress like that to attract new customers? ;D ;D ;D. If so, I'm a little worried about your clientelle........
Have a happy and prosperous new year!!!!!! :)
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The scary part is that that picture is not chopped.
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Nasty! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Neo
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You're to good at that! ;D
Your one of the main reasons I can't let this forum go, even if people don't like me. It's the kind and funny individuals like yourself that keep me coming back.
Happy New Year to you and your family.
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Thank-you Mr. Terminator sir.
Let me be the second to say it.
BTW - I want to get a handgun. I haven't owned one in twenty years - what do you think of the Glock 26?
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2 of those guys would fill a Grandee.
eiwww.
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2 of those guys would fill a Grandee.
eiwww.
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Nah... they'd just stand around waiting for someone else to fill it.
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Hey Term, I have that same outfit. :)
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even if people don't like me.
I don't have a problem with you.
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Hey Term, I have that same outfit. :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/cooltoy2000/gay.jpg)
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I don't have a problem with you.
Thanks Cooltoy2000. :)
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Do you guys dress like that to attract new customers? ;D ;D ;D. If so, I'm a little worried about your clientelle........
Have a happy and prosperous new year!!!!!! :)
Hey Anne, I am a client (bought a HS from Term earlier this month) but you don't have to worry about me. I knew this is how these guys looked from the start but I don't care - it is the tub I want. But really, it is not a gag photo this IS how they look!
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BTW - I want to get a handgun. I haven't owned one in twenty years - what do you think of the Glock 26?
I know this question was directed at Term but I'm going to respond anyway since I own a Glock.
I've got a Glock 27. I like the feel of the Glock because they are light weight. The only thing I've changed on it is the release. I ordered a replacement that is a little larger and longer than the original one and easier for me to reach and operate. I would not carry a Glock concealed because of the safety mechanism design, otherwise, I think they are great. Also, since they are light weight subcompacts be aware that they do have a big kick.
Oh, so I can stay with the thread - Happy New Year!
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[size=36]HAPPY NEW YEAR[/size]
To all the dealers on this site, I hope you all set new sales records in 07 and to all the regular folk I wish you all a very good year.
Term, your pic is just wrong on so many levels ;D ;D
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BTW - I want to get a handgun. I haven't owned one in twenty years - what do you think of the Glock 26?
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Glocks are excellent handguns, but not for me. I do not like the way they fit my hand and to be honest, I think they are very ugly. That is all subjective. I also agree with vlady regarding the concealed carry aspects of them. Here is an in-depth review of the Glock 26 by a highly-regarded firearms writer:
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm
I personally carry a Walther P-99. I absolutely LOVE this gun. I've never had a misfire, the ergonomics are second to none, and you can carry 17 rounds of 9mm in it (well, I can, I believe you're limited to 11 rounds in CA). Plus, it's the same gun 007 carries!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/walther_p99.jpg)
Second choice would be the Springfield XD. I've owned one before and it is a great little gun with several redundant, passive safety features:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl.shtml
Please, feel free to holler if you have any other questions! :)
Term
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Happy New Year.
I will be carrying concealed, and this is first I have heard of the Glock having a safety issue. I am concerned about that!
So - I'll go shoot a Walther and an XD. As it happens, my BIL has one of them and I will see if I can rent another at the range - and I'll let you know! He carries a Glock, but that's because that is what was issued.
Can you buy online these days? As I said, I haven't owned or packed in 20 years.
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Oh no, no, no....we're not saying there's a safety issue with the Glock, it's just that they have a trigger safety and not a manual one. I've read of several Negligent Discharges concerning them. It all boils down to the competence of the gun owner: if you don't pull the trigger, the gun won't fire....period.
I buy my guns here:
http://www.gunbroker.com
All you need to do is find a local gun dealer who is willing to do a transfer for you. They typically charge $10-20 and will send a copy of their FFL (Federal Firearm License) to the online dealer. Then your gun will be shipped to the local dealer and you go and pick it up. Very good deals online.
Terminator
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Here is my little friend. I'm sure Term knows it. SW 9mm Airweight, hammerless. It has a hammer but shielded This little baby will not get snagged on anything when drawing it out. I can get to her in one second. I sometimes carry behind and its even faster yet. Sweet! I'm getting one for my wife also. She's at the lake house right now by herself and got the crap scared out of her this morning. Someone knocked on the door at 6 am. She was very scared. I called the neighbor, he got there is minutes. She said "get me one". (http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r2/galen1115/DSC01337.jpg) (http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r2/galen1115/DSC01338.jpg) (http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r2/galen1115/DSC01339.jpg) (http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r2/galen1115/DSC01340.jpg)
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Hey Term, when I was in the showroom I thought we discussed this. I still say the Sig Sauer P229 is the one to have. That was the last sidearm they issued me when I was with the Gov't. and it was the best by far of any I had during my career. Or was it the 221? Heck, I don't remember now but in any event, Sig is the way to go.
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Flash that laser light on them and that gets their attention, and settles them down pretty quick.
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I own the 5" XD .45 Tacticle. Excelent weapon. I didn't like the 4" version, it didn't fit my hand very well. The 4" has a double spring whitch greatly reduces the recoil. The kick doesnt bother me, I have a good grip. As far as carying concealed, yeah, I do, but it's relativly obvious whats under my jacket, and I like it that way.
Glocks are excellent handguns, but not for me. I do not like the way they fit my hand and to be honest, I think they are very ugly. That is all subjective. I also agree with vlady regarding the concealed carry aspects of them. Here is an in-depth review of the Glock 26 by a highly-regarded firearms writer:
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm
I personally carry a Walther P-99. I absolutely LOVE this gun. I've never had a misfire, the ergonomics are second to none, and you can carry 17 rounds of 9mm in it (well, I can, I believe you're limited to 11 rounds in CA). Plus, it's the same gun 007 carries!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/walther_p99.jpg)
Second choice would be the Springfield XD. I've owned one before and it is a great little gun with several redundant, passive safety features:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl.shtml
Please, feel free to holler if you have any other questions! :)
Term
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Hey Term, when I was in the showroom I thought we discussed this. I still say the Sig Sauer P229 is the one to have. That was the last sidearm they issued me when I was with the Gov't. and it was the best by far of any I had during my career. Or was it the 221? Heck, I don't remember now but in any event, Sig is the way to go.
We surely did and I absolutely love my Sig 220, but Sigs are big guns. The Glock that Chas was considering is a smaller gun, so I assumed he wanted something a little smaller. I can conceal a big gun pretty easily because I have multiple rolls of fat which overlap the grip...Chas has lost a lot of weight and a large gun would probably stick out on him like a big ol' hoochadinkie.
The last gun you were issued by .gov was the Sig 229. :)
Terminator
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I carry the XD-.45 acp. I started out carrying the XD-.40 S&W- because there was no .45acp available in the XD until this spring- then I sold the .40 and bought the .45.
Mine is the standard 4". I reload my own ammo and wanted to stay with one caliber.
The .45 gap XD didn't interest me in the least. I think that caliber is going to gradually fade away. And ammo will get rarer and more expensive. IMHO.
The XD pistol is somewhat similar to Glock in that they both have the triggle toggle saftey. Neither have an active "off/on" saftey. The XD also has a grip saftey, much like the 1911's- the trigger won't pull unless you depress the grip saftey- but that's something that happens by the act of gripping the pistol.
What I like about the XD is the loaded chamber and cocked striker indicators. They let you know that the gun is cocked and a round in the chamber by sight or by feel.
There is no de-cocking lever on the gun, in order to de-c0ck the pistol you must pull the trigger.
I also like the grip angle- it's the same grip to frame angle that is on my 1911. Pretty much 90 degree grip to frame, so I don't have to adjust when I switch between pistols.
Springfield pistols come with a lifetime warranty- and they pay shipping both to the factory and back.
Don't be overly concerned about carrying a Glock. They are built solidly, and will last and stand up to abuse. I'm not fond of them mostly because they have a raked back grip angle that requires me to adjust when aiming. But they are as safe as any pistol out there- the glock is carried by a lot of cops- and if there were any real saftey problems with the guns, the PD"s would quickly get rid of them.
Best idea is to shoot several different pistols at a range. Many ranges rent pistols for a nominal fee. That way you can get what fits your hand best. Kinda like wet testing.
Wisoki- Do you carry concealed because you have to or does your state also allow open carry? Minnesota allows either- which surprises me since we have such a nanny state mentality in most other ways.
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This a great conceal weapon. Kahr Arms PM 9. Comes in 40 cal. also. I like the sites on it. Night comes standard. Check it out. Highly rated. (http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r2/galen1115/DSC01342.jpg)
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I could open carry, but even if I did, the nature of the holster still keeps the weapon "concealed." Shoot, er dang, out here cary it on yer hip, it aint no big deal!
Wisoki- Do you carry concealed because you have to or does your state also allow open carry? Minnesota allows either- which surprises me since we have such a nanny state mentality in most other ways.
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Chas, not that it matters much at this point, but we've got a SIG P229 and a P226 in the house...They're very solid feeling, but I BELIEVE mine's the 229....a tad smaller than the hubby's due to my smaller hands...rubberized grips for about an extra $15.....and I don't know if any other maker offers a changeable barrel to swap calibre sizes? :D Mine goes from .40 to .357 SIG within a minute...I love love LOVE it.
If it's too large, framewise though, for your purposes, just ignore this post.
Just had to throw in my $.02, yanno. ;)
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OK - happy new year - had to get that outa the way -
Now what about finish?
I want durable, and I don't want oil or sweat - not that I sweat much anymore, I'm usually shivering - to change the way the gun looks over time.
So what is the best finish to select?
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Chas,
I never picked you as a gun owner. Not that theres anything wrong either way. I'm just kind of surprised. Did something happen that after 20 years you feel the need for one? Just curious.
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The last gun I owned was a .22 rifle, a Savage Arms bolt-action single shot torunament style, and we did some plinking and target shooting on open land that was near my home. I know I said twenty years ago, but with more thought, I would have to say it is more like thirty. My son and daughter have fun with AirSoft pistols, and both have had firearms safety training through the Royal Rangers - a type of Scouts.
Our store is in a rough neighborhood. Fine during the day, but a bit dodgy if I end up working late, which happens a lot. I also collect rent on some properties, and some of the folks pay cash.
A recent event which will remain private caused me to be in contact with local law enforcement, and they encouraged me, in fact they approved me for a CCW. Or are approving me - it takes a bit of time. So I figured - why not?
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So I figured - why not?
What did I do? ;D
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;D good one WHY NOT! ;D
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OH! I almost forgot the main reason I am thinking about all this -
I have a teenage daughter.
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We Canadians just carry hockey sticks... ;D You boys and your guns.... ::) Sheeesh....
I bet 99% of Americans who own a gun would be traumatized for LIFE if they ever had to use it...
Not that I want to get into it, but ask yourself what your motives are? Is it protection or the ability to kill someone "legally" if provoked? If not the latter, why not own a stun gun or something that's not lethal for protection? :-X I guess the assumption is that you can and there's a "coolness" about it too right? Why else do some plaster pics of a variety of guns here and elsewhere? One is considered "tough" by owning a gun right? ::)
There's no need for guns...there's just a desire to USE IT is all.
Stepping down now... ;)
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Steve,
You have every right to have an opinion like that.
Of course, guns were used in the various battles, revolutions and wars which gave you that right...
Just a thought.
I'm not a big gun guy. I may not even get one. I am just thinking about it, and doing research on types, laws, and all that. I have started the process of obtaining a CCW, but even that does not mean I will buy and it certainly doesn't mean I will pack unless I feel a real need.
But it is nice that we live in a world where people can have such strong feelings about something like this and still get along.
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I can totally understand the need for a gun for protection as I live in St. Louis. Which has the highest murder rate per capita in the country. I seriously can not tell you the last time I watched the news and didn't see a new murder. Alot of them are gang related but there is also a signicant amount that occur from perpetrators doing a B AND E. Granted I live about 40 miles from downtown but it's still not Leave it to Beaver where I live either. I will be purchasing one to protect myself and my house when I pay the spa off in March.
I however don't think it's neccessary for me to carry concealed unless we start doing rehab tile work downtown again. My dad and uncles did that for years. A couple of times they had absolutely everything stolen out of there van's. I mean they even took the street guides! Another time some thug came walking in and asked to use the bathroom with blood all over his clothes. After that little incident, when they bid a job, they told the contractor they'd do it only if there was a strapped security guard at the door 24/7.
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We Canadians just carry hockey sticks... ;D You boys and your guns.... ::) Sheeesh....
I bet 99% of Americans who own a gun would be traumatized for LIFE if they ever had to use it...
Not that I want to get into it, but ask yourself what your motives are? Is it protection or the ability to kill someone "legally" if provoked? If not the latter, why not own a stun gun or something that's not lethal for protection? :-X I guess the assumption is that you can and there's a "coolness" about it too right? Why else do some plaster pics of a variety of guns here and elsewhere? One is considered "tough" by owning a gun right? ::)
There's no need for guns...there's just a desire to USE IT is all.
Stepping down now... ;)
I'm not surprised that you don't get it. Most people wouldn't unless you have been in a situation where you thought it was necessary to defend yourself or your family. You are probably right, that I would be traumatized for life and it is the last thing I ever want to do BUT if it comes down to me or a bad guy, then I want to be on equal fighting ground.
It has nothing to do with looking cool or tough and it has nothing to do with having ability to kill someone "legally" if provoked. Unless, you consider an attacker holding a gun to one of your family members head as being provoked, then I guess you are right.
The reason I won't even consider a stun gun or a taser is because you have to be too close to your attacker in order to use either of those methods. With a stun gun, you have to actually touch your attacker with the device. With taser guns, you have to be within 15 feet and you only get once chance to make contact.
You either understand it or you don't.
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Well said Vlady. There is the collection side of it also. I have never lost money on a gun. Its better than putting money in the bank. I wish the US were like England or
Canada. But its not. Wait till your looking down the barrel or someone in your family is hurt. That tends to change or mind. 99% of the time its a deterrent The bad guys pick on those that are without. I know many women that own guns so its not a guy thing.
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I was a federal law enforcement officer for 26 years and carried a firearm from day one until the day I retired - eleven years ago today! We were trained continuously, both in safety, legal matters and proficiency with both our issued weapon as well as specialty guns. We had to qualify at a certain proficiency level on a quarterly basis.
Considering this background and training, I think I am qualified in saying that a gun in the wrong hands, be it bad guy or good guy, is worse than no gun at all - in most situations. And it is precisely in these situations that most citizens find themselvs. Citizens do not have to break down doors, not knowing what is on the other side. They do not have to seek, find and bring in evil people. Citizens have to concern themselves with one thing and one thing only - being victims. In many cases, using one's head and common sense to avoid the possibllity of getting in these situations in the first place is all that is required.
We all know we can not avoid violent crime entirely but we can do things that diminish the possibilty of being victimized. Don't go into areas known for gangs and gang wars. Everyone in every town knows where these areas are and if you must go, do it during the day and never at night. Install security systems in your home with adequate warnings and lighting. And more often than not, it is far better to walk away in many situations than it is to continue on a course that will lead to a violent confrontatioin. If someone wants to steal property let them have it. If your lucky the police might be able to recover it or your insurance will replace it or just write it off. Trying to stop this by means of force, especially with a gun, can be dangerous to you physically and even if you prevail, often times can place you in legal jeopardy.
A little common sense can go a long way to avoid getting in a position where you need a gun. For citizens, this need - a REAL, true need that is - is very rare. Someone posted about the need to possibly defend your family and be on equal footing if someone has a gun pointed at a family member's head. Do you think you really are on equal footing if you have a gun too? Even if you have a tank, what do you intend to do with someone holding a gun to your son's head for example? Are you going to try to find an openning and shoot the guy? Are you going to threaten him? Are you going to try to talk him into putting the gun down? Do you really know the best way to go? Do you feel you are qualified to assess the entire situation with a calm head and steady nerve?
In those rare situations where there is no choice and you feel you must resort to a gun, you had better have the confidence in your judgement and your marksmanship to pull it out. This confidence can come only through practice and training and far more is required than most people are willing to give it. If anyone thinks shooting at bottles in the backyard will prepare you for shooting at a man, think again. If those factors are lacking and you are not willing to learn your gun thoroughly and practice, practice, practice with it, you are far better off not carrying a weapon at all.
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I understand pretty much all sides of this debate (which should PROBABLY now be moved to the 'barely about hottubs' list? ;) ), but I guess I figure it this way...if the criminals are armed, then why shouldn't the victims be? I'm not saying "give everyone a firearm and let them shoot it out", as that would be foolish. However, there ARE shooting ranges to practice aim. There ARE courses available to help us learn what we have and why we've got 'em. And most of us DO have a conscience that begs us to ask ourselves very seriously:
"If I've got a gun, and someone breaks into my house and threatens my family (with gun, knife, etc), AM I WILLING TO SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER ON HIM/HER?" Until you can seriously answer that with a 'yes', the firearm should be thought of as "recreational use only". If you CAN answer with a 'yes', the next step (if it's not already taken) is to make sure that you take some sort of course by a trained professional, so as to NOT be a hazard to your family, friends and neighbors.
This is kinda like teaching my son about birds and bees....."don't have it until you're financially and embotionally prepared to be a daddy."
Oh, and HAPPY NEW YEAR! (we didn't make the NYE soak last night.....DOH! >:( )
Oh yeah, the above stuff is all my opinion, and may be disagreed with strongly by some individuals. If it causes you to lose sleep, so sorry, it's just an opinion, not a law (around here, anyhow.....) yet.
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Let me be the 43rd post to say
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
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And hopefully all the gun lovers will keep the peace for the rest of us...... 8-)
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Not that I want to get into it, but ask yourself what your motives are? Is it protection or the ability to kill someone "legally" if provoked? There's no need for guns...there's just a desire to USE IT is all.
Stepping down now... ;)
The primary reason for anyone carrying a weapon should be to defend their life and/or the life of someone else. That is the law enforcement justification for the application of deadly force. We cannot normally shoot a fleeing felon, but if it is a fleeing felon that is running toward a crowded restaurant with a gun then we can because we can articulate fear for the lives of the people he is heading towards.
Everyones job, socio-economic position, hobbies, etc.. puts them at different levels of risk on a daily basis. Some are not willing to accept the risk without having the ability to defend themselves, with lethal force if necessary. Different strokes, different mindsets, respect each others and it's all good.
The Glock is a very good choice for concealed carry, used one for years when working narcotics (a 27) and carried a model 22 on patrol. As with any gun, practice and proficiency are very important, but moreso with a semi-auto than a revolver as the heavy double action pull of a revolver accounts for a significantly lower number of negligent discharges.
I got to ring in the new year in the hot tub, and left my gun on the nightstand.
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Shortspark, that was really, really well said, and your perspective as one who HAS had to be prepared to use a weapon is valuable. Personally, I dont think anyone should be allowed to own a firearm without first significant training and licensing of some sort, proof of appropriate storage for that weapon, and continuing training and relicensing.
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I can totally understand the need for a gun for protection as I live in St. Louis. Which has the highest murder rate per capita in the country.
[size=22]Am I really the only one that see's the problem with this sentence? ::)[/size] It's almost comical... :D
Oh and Vlady...It's not that I "don't get it" as you stated, it's that I don't agree with you. If you feel the need to be viewed as more intelectual to those who don't agree with you, please play that game with someone else. I get more than you might presume and since you didn't ask my level of understanding on this matter, please don't assume my knowledge or lack thereof.
I respect your posistion Chas and I would never suggest that anyone should or shouldn't own a weapon based on their own decisions and position. It's not that I'm against guns at all. I don't own one but I certainly don't take the stand that no one else should either. I just posed that for some deeper thought and insight into why someone would want to.
My love for my family and willingness to protect them is no different than anyone else here. I just hope that those of you who do own a gun, are fully trained and understand that many weapons are turned on their owners in a confrontation.
On that happy note... have a wonderful 2007 everyone and may it be filled with much success health and happiness for you all! :)
Steve
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[size=22]Am I really the only one that see's the problem with this sentence? ::)[/size] It's almost comical... :D
Steve
This is a hot tub forum, so I'll just :-X :-X :-X.
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God Bless America and thank goodness for the wisdom and foresight of the Founding Fathers to include the Second Amendment in the Constitution.
I rang out the old year by unleashing a heavy barrage of firepower on some criminally minded plastic jugs and boards. My brand new highly tactical AR-15 hummed along without missing a beat!
I hope and pray I never have to use my firearms to protect myself, my family, or my friends.....but thank goodness I still retain that right to self defense! It makes me scratch my head in bewilderment when I read about people who are afraid to do everything they can to protect their families or place their faith in law enforcement to protect them. As wonderful as the men and women who serve in this capacity are, they can't be everywhere....and they'll be the first to tell you so. I'm just doing my part to help. :)
Happy New Year!
Terminator
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I bet 99% of Americans who own a gun would be traumatized for LIFE if they ever had to use it...
I imagine I would be completely traumatized as would any other sane, reasonable person. I would also be completely traumatized if some degenerate broke into my home, raped my wife and daughter, and I didn't shoot the cokksukker in the head when I had the chance. That's something I could not live with.
There's no need for guns...there's just a desire to USE IT is all.
Absolutely wrong.....it is a RIGHT guaranteed by the United States Constitution....it's something that we American citizens retain. Subjects have little concept of it.
Terminator
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Absolutely wrong.....it is a RIGHT guaranteed by the United States Constitution....it's something that we American citizens retain. Subjects have little concept of it.
Terminator
And it's THAT right that has driven the murder and overall crime rate to unprecedented heights as most crimes and murders are committed with the use of a gun. It's an interesting rock and hard place eh? ;)
I just question the mentality of this outcry of murders and therefore we should all arm ourselves? The thinking is that this will LOWER the murder rate? :-?
Again Term, you love your wife and daughters no less than I love mine I'm sure. That's not the debate.
I don't see anyone changing the others mind here but thanks for the debate on this. It also has nothing to do with spas so I move on! :-X
Steve
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I just hope that those of you who do own a gun, are fully trained and understand that many weapons are turned on their owners in a confrontation.
I agree with the part about being fully trained. Completely.
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I've read that 97.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
This is a huge debate, and I don't expect everyone to agree, that just won't happen. But it's interesting to see how hotly people defend their viewpoint....If it works for you, more power to ya....Which reminds me of : "An' it harm none, Do what ye will".
Still no tubbin' for '07. >:(
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God Bless America and thank goodness for the wisdom and foresight of the Founding Fathers to include the Second Amendment in the Constitution.
Term, I absolutely respect your right to own a firearm, but nothing irks me more than when people have to pull out that ol' "second amendment" argument. That was written for a MUCH different time than this, and the society THEN than dictated it as reasonable no longer exists. Just because an antiquated part of our constitution says everyone CAN "bear arms" DOES NOT mean that one SHOULD. Applying the second amendment to today's world is just manipulation of our constitution to justify a means.