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Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Zep on December 08, 2006, 05:28:51 pm
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Exec dies in faulty jacuzzi[/size]
From correspondents in Singapore
December 08, 2006 02:33pm
A GERMAN executive died in a whirlpool bath at a
Singapore apartment after being sucked to the bottom.
Police did not release the name of the victim, who was in his late 30s
and had recently arrived in the city-state but The Straits Times newspaper
named him as Arndt Starke, the Asia finance director for German firm
Schott AG.
The Straits Times said Mr Starke was found with his stomach stuck to a
suction drain in the whirlpool.
A grille over the hole was broken and he had apparently been sucked
to the bottom, it said.
The newspaper said his fiancee, who was also in the pool, had screamed
for help but the suction was so powerful that four men who tried to rescue
Mr Starke could not pull him out.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20893326-1702,00.html
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That is unfortunate. But I would have like to know who the manufacturer was. Also, it didnt mention why they didnt just turn the pump off?! :-? Maybe that was too obvious for them. It seems a little non believable. The jet pump was stronger on a small patch of skin than four guys yanking his whole body away from it?
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I'm also not sure that I buy that 4 men could not pull him out. If the suction were that strong, and 4 guys were pulling, something would have torn....... :P
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I could have pulled him out by myself. 8-)
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what was his stomach doing on the bottom of the tub anyway?
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what was his stomach doing on the bottom of the tub anyway?
I was wondering that too.....
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Is this another faulty use of the word Jacuzzi? If so, they should sue on this one.
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4 men would NOT have been able to pull him off!
However, the article is a bit vague as to what he was actually in. At first is sounds like a jetted bath tub, but I have a feling it's actually a built in commercial spa. Like gunnite perhaps? A lot of older commercial spas run all the time and don't have a shut off switch near by. Many of the older built in spas don't even come close to meeting current US safety standards (such as dual suctions). Dual suctions would have prevented this. I'll say it again, dual suctions, such has been found in US made portable spas for MANY years, and current inground spas, would have prevented this from happening.
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I'm having a hard time believing this one...my pump inlet screens are at the very bottom of the spa making it all but impossible for anything other than my foot to get caught. Even then, just reach over and turn the jets off.
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LOL. I feel sorry for anyone named Sue these says. Way to much "What?"
"I wasn't talking to you"
"What I'm the only Sue here"
"No I'm suing you"
"You can't Sue me, I am sue"
So on and so forth.
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Asia-Pacific News
German drowns in a jacuzzi less than 1 metre deep
Singapore - A 2-metre-tall German drowned in a jacuzzi less than 1 metre deep after being sucked to the bottom by a drain, a newspaper reported Friday.
The grille covering the suction drain was found broken, with Arndt Starke sprawled face-down, his stomach stuck to the hole, The Straits Times said.
The force of the suction was so strong that even four men could not lift Starke out of the jacuzzi in a common area of the condominium building. It took Singapore Civil Defence Force officers half an hour to remove the body on December 1.
'Officers had to turn off the suction mechanism and scoop water out of the spa pool before they could lift Starke out and try to revive him,' the report said.
By then, the 39-year-old expatriate was dead.
The managing agent for the Goldenhill Park condominium has closed the jacuzzi and three other pools to check whether they are safe for use.
A 12-year-old boy got stuck for a few seconds at another suction drain in the main pool four months ago, but a friend pulled him away.
Pool specialists said that anti-entrapment grilles prevent people from being sucked in, but the grille in Starke's case was found to be broken when it was checked after the accident.
Starke, who worked for German multinational sales and marketing company Schott, had returned from a four-day business trip to Germany four hours before the drowning.
He had been based in Singapore since March as the company's finance director for Asia.
© 2006 dpa - Deutsche Presse-Agentur
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Even if the button wasnt right there, it says they had time to find 4 guys. You would think 3 could have tried pulling him off while 1 walked 4 feet to the button.
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Is this another faulty use of the word Jacuzzi? If so, they should sue on this one.
Jacuzzi:- How the world says hot tub
Sounds like a commercial type spa suction on the floor mega size pump??
Maybe he had more than his stomach stuck in there??
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Perhaps he was in espionage cahoots with the Russians..... :-X
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hopefully he died happy :-?
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Jacuzzi:- How the world says hot tub
Strange that its not how the world says pump and thats what jacuzzi actually invented :-?
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Quite a few years ago there was a guy on one of the local islands, home alone got in his spa and died, he was over 275lbs probably heart attack.
They found him a week later. Thats one mess I would'nt want to clean. :o
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Jacuzzi:- How the world says hot tub
Strange that its not how the world says pump and thats what jacuzzi actually invented :-?
You wouldn't have a spa w/o a pump, so I guess it makes sense after all.
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They should have put that on "Supersize Me"
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re: They found him a week later.
Why did it take a week to find him?
Was he submerged under the water?
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Jacuzzi:- How the world says hot tub
Strange that its not how the world says pump and thats what jacuzzi actually invented :-?
Pump invented in 1956, first enclosed jetted spa 1960 ;)
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re: They found him a week later.
Why did it take a week to find him?
Was he submerged under the water?
The guy lived on an island in the house by himself I am guessing divorced?wife gone? I believe his kids found him, it was way before I was in the biz.
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Pump invented in 1956, first enclosed jetted spa 1960
First McDonald's burger stand. 1954 ;)
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Pump invented in 1956, first enclosed jetted spa 1960
First McDonald's burger stand. 1954 ;)
First Me, 1957
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OK here's a thought ... IF this is true and he had enough money to be that filthy rich he probably screwed his employees over. Either he was done in or it was his bad aura getting even with him (I personally like this one as the best explanation).
OK, I will admit I HATE most corporate execs. There is only one that I've read about that seemed great. There probably are a few more.
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"he had enough money to be that filthy rich he probably screwed his employees over. ............OK, I will admit I HATE most corporate execs"
Oh brother.....no matter where I go....I can not escape "them"!
Excuse me while I puke!
;)
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"he had enough money to be that filthy rich he probably screwed his employees over. ............OK, I will admit I HATE most corporate execs"
Oh brother.....no matter where I go....I can not escape "them"!
Excuse me while I puke!
;)
Hey, if you are a corporate exec make sure you are a [size=16]GOOD[/size] exec. If you have no clue about what I mean, you're not on the good list.
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re: "Hey, if you are a corporate exec make sure you are a GOOD exec.
If you have no clue about what I mean, you're not on the good list"
Vinny I used to spend alot of time in political debate mesaage boards.
A whole lot of time.
I am a Reagan/Gingrich conservative.
Of course they wouldn't agree, but I think I slam dunked and kicked alot of liberal's ass in those message board clubs.....but the daily time spent researching/sourcing information and the "ugly bloody battles" grew tiresome....so for the last year or so I am "taking a break".
So I joined a music message board and a hot tub message board basically to escape and relax from the daily grind of political warfare. (and more importantly to spend time away from liberal political thought...lol)
And then I find it amazing in these non-political message board clubs I still can't escape them!....LOL ;D
As far as being a "good corp exec" I let the free market, consumers, and my employees decide that on a daily basis....they are all free to make other choices. However I will add that Southwest Airlines and Herb Kelleher in particular are my heroes as far as corporate entities....."without it's people a corporation is nothing".[/i]
http://www.blogsouthwest.com/2006/05/08/culture-shock-of-the-very-best-kind/
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Amen, Brother Zep, Amen!
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Vinny, You mentioned you like one. Who's that?
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I read an article this week, I wished I had saved it but it said 4 million people used their spa this week with no injury.. ::) only great pleasure. And these were above ground spas, unlike the one in this article that is mentioned here... 8-)
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What's really impressive is that almost 1/4th of them were in HotSpring Spas! :o ;)
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re: "Hey, if you are a corporate exec make sure you are a GOOD exec.
If you have no clue about what I mean, you're not on the good list"
Vinny I used to spend alot of time in political debate mesaage boards.
A whole lot of time.
I am a Reagan/Gingrich conservative.
Of course they wouldn't agree, but I think I slam dunked and kicked alot of liberal's ass in those message board clubs.....but the daily time spent researching/sourcing information and the "ugly bloody battles" grew tiresome....so for the last year or so I am "taking a break".
So I joined a music message board and a hot tub message board basically to escape and relax from the daily grind of political warfare. (and more importantly to spend time away from liberal political thought...lol)
And then I find it amazing in these non-political message board clubs I still can't escape them!....LOL ;D
As far as being a "good corp exec" I let the free market, consumers, and my employees decide that on a daily basis....they are all free to make other choices. However I will add that Southwest Airlines and Herb Kelleher in particular are my heroes as far as corporate entities....."without it's people a corporation is nothing".[/i]
http://www.blogsouthwest.com/2006/05/08/culture-shock-of-the-very-best-kind/
Zep,
If you believe and live that moto then I would consider you a good exec.
I don't consider myself a liberal but I'm not quite a capitalist either. I truely believe in the free enterprise system but unfortunately in a world where the higher execs get millions of bucks as perks as they cut benefits of their people, this is a problem.
I work for a large corporation and quite honestly they don't have the moto of "without it's people a corporation is nothing".[/i] They know only of numbers and don't have business sense. Maybe all the way on top they think it but the lower execs don't practice it.
I've become cynical when I see things and see that unless it trickles down, nothing will get done about it - to me the people doing the daily job are the ones who should be giving input - I'm not saying it'll be 100% correct info but it may be valuable info.
This is the last I'll mention of it other than answering Ehizzle - I don't and didn't want to debate you.
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Vinny, You mentioned you like one. Who's that?
Unfortunately, I never got his name but he was the CEO of a textile mill in Conn (I want to say Polar Fleese but I'm not 100% sure). It was the whole story behind it that makes me like this person.
He had a new mill built and it burned down. He pulled his people together and explained to them that he will take care of them, paying them full salaries as long as he could. His reasoning was without them he wouldn't be where he was financially. He also promised to hire everyone back if and when a new mill was built.
His workers got together and worked on a plan to get the old mill operational again and in a very short time they had the old mill at full operational capacity. They worked three shifts and the CEO said that they were actually producing more with the old mill than they had with the new mill.
He attributed it all to the fact that if you treat your workers right, they will work harder for you.
I truely like this story and I believe that this business model should be an example of how a business should be run. There may be more of these examples but this has always stuck with me.
I applaud a CEO that thinks that way!
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Cool story Vinny.
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Thats a great story Vinny,
It is so true what we do as people can so many times make such a huge difference even though it it can go unnoticed and sometimes unappreciated , but workers pulling together can make all the difference in the world when they know the subtle little things that when put together with everyone else's effort make a world of difference.
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Until every old spa or pool is retrofitted properly, and every new pool/ spa eliminates the possibilty, there will be no end to this. I can understand the inability to think rationally in a panic situation. Hopefully, something good will come of it over there. But unfortunately, there's hundreds of other occurences you never here about.
You here about it when it's some executive, jack nicholas' grandson or at tommy lee's kids' party. It's not news worthy enough when it happens to a child of one of regular folk.
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Is this another faulty use of the word Jacuzzi? If so, they should sue on this one.
Jacuzzi:- How the world says hot tub
True, but the press has a greater responsiblity and a legal advising staff
Sounds like a commercial type spa suction on the floor mega size pump??
Maybe he had more than his stomach stuck in there??
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Vinny, You mentioned you like one. Who's that?
I applaud a CEO that thinks that way!
I guess the CEO of Siemen's doesn't They made a pre-christmas announcement the they are closing their Ohio Manufacturing facilities to Mexico. Soon we will be sneaking accross the border for jobs. I hope they print the applications in English too, provide translators and allow me to press 2 for English when I call the welfare office.
No more Seimen's breakers in my house or tub.
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Vinny....Ok sorry I guess I did sort of misunderstand you.
I thought you were maybe a "business basher".
Sometimes on a message board it is hard to understand "context".
I always tell people that hate corporations there are countries
like North Korea that have no corporations if they want to go
try a "no corporation life style"....LOL
Although many times they are demonized by the press I think
business and corporations do immense public good.
I totally agree with you about some executives.....some of them are corrupt
like those at Enron and should be sitting in jail a long time.
Other corporate executives get the big job and then forget about
who it is that makes the company go. THE PEOPLE!
Employees should be considered assets not a burden.
There are rotten apples in just about everything....police, politicians, clergy,
wives/husbands, hot tub dealers, so no big shock there are bad apple corporate
executives.
I have always believed that it is in a company's self interest to "spoil" the
employees when possible.
Make it a fun place to work.....make it a lucrative place to work based on performance.
And don't do it necessarily out of the goodness of your heart.....
do it because it makes good business sense to "pamper your people".
Of course some people/employees will never be happy, but if you
pamper your employees it makes it hard for them to leave which in turn
give the company a steady low turn-over team of workers.
Treat employees how you would want to be treated!
Well enough of the soap-box".
Thanks Vinny!
;)
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Zep ... got any job openings??? ;) ;D
You mentioned lucrative based on performance - my company has pretty much told us that we are all "3"'s on a scale of 1 to 5 because this is where most of the employees fit. It truely is a world of mediocrity and their star performers (like myself (trust me on this point)) are giving them mediocrity - no sense going at 110% if your being measured at 50%.
Of course I guess I should be happy I don't work for Siemans!
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Vinny, You mentioned you like one. Who's that?
I applaud a CEO that thinks that way!
I guess the CEO of Siemen's doesn't They made a pre-christmas announcement the they are closing their Ohio Manufacturing facilities to Mexico. Soon we will be sneaking accross the border for jobs. I hope they print the applications in English too, provide translators and allow me to press 2 for English when I call the welfare office.
No more Seimen's breakers in my house or tub.
Scarry thing Bill is that Siemans is an European company and I thought they were a little more employee friendly than American companies ... I guess not.
As I said with automobiles, how many people in Mexico making these things are going to buy 200 amp panels and a bunch of circuits. Probably very few.
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I am a Reagan/Gingrich conservative.
Too much information for a hot tub board.
And what ever happened to Bush in that equation? Boy, they sure do fall fast......
I'm a HotSpring Liberal.
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re: And what ever happened to Bush in that equation?
Uh?...President Bush was never in my "equation" except
for being the much lesser of two evils. President Bush is not
near conservative enough for me.
Boy, they sure do fall fast......
Not nearly as fast as someone that couldn't even get elected,
much less twice elected.
John Roberts and Samuel Alito Rule!
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John Roberts and Samuel Alito Rule!
;)[/b]
Your boy lost the popular vote by 500k votes in 2000 and needed Katheryn Harris to take Fla. I'm just sayin......
24 HR CIRC PUMPS AND FULL FOAM RULE!!!!
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re:Your boy lost the popular vote by 500k votes in 2000 and needed Katheryn Harris to take Fla.
#1 he is not "my boy"....again IMO he is the much lesser of two evils....(namely that nutcase Buddist Temple groupie Al Gore) but President Bush is the twice elected president of the United States and really election day is the only poll that matters.
Secondly the US Constitution is very clear about the electoral college and the popular vote and President Bush in 2000 was elected president according to the US Constitution. If you have a problem with the US Constitution CHANGE IT!.
I agree President Bush needed the Florida Secretary of State (Katherine Harris) to follow the election laws of Florida....which in my opinion she did.
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Don't be so hard on Al, after all he did invent the internet.......
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Zep:
I think we are on the wrong board for this discussion.
Peace Out, Rich
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re: I think we are on the wrong board for this discussion
Rich...we agree on something!
;)
Have a great weekend.
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re: Don't be so hard on Al, after all he did invent the internet.......
LOL @ REPEAT!
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