Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: dflearning on November 21, 2006, 09:25:54 pm
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I am looking for a hot tub and every salemen I call or talk to has the best one on the market. What are the top brands? I am looking for a 8*8, low heating bill and something I hope will last 10+ years without many issues. Any suggestions.
I have looked at Arctic Spa's some and they quoted me $7,500 for the Summit Signature (2007 model) with the Heater Upgrade, Polar Cover Upgrade, Microban Protection Upgrade, Exotic Jet Package, Forever Floor Upgrade, Delivery and Setup Up, BaquaSpa Kit and the 3 steps stair my wife asked them to throw in all included.
Is this price good, what other spas should I look at?
Will I be happy with Arctic Spa?
Any other advice would be appreciated.
Any certain color easier to maintain or enjoy?
Also, I really don't need the most expensive or the most jets, just cheap to run and reliable.
Thanks for your time.....
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I would definitely shop around and see what is out there. You might check out these other brands: Hotspring, Caldera, Marquis, Dimension One, Sundance, Jacuzzi. Of course every place you stop is going to tell you that their spa is the best, I would narrow it down to 3 or 4 brands, wet test them all and buy from the brand and dealer you feel most comfortable with.
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Do you know anything about Arctic?
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I am looking for a hot tub and every salemen I call or talk to has the best one on the market. What are the top brands? I am looking for a 8*8, low heating bill and something I hope will last 10+ years without many issues. Any suggestions.
I have looked at Arctic Spa's some and they quoted me $7,500 for the Summit Signature (2007 model) with the Heater Upgrade, Polar Cover Upgrade, Microban Protection Upgrade, Exotic Jet Package, Forever Floor Upgrade, Delivery and Setup Up, BaquaSpa Kit and the 3 steps stair my wife asked them to throw in all included.
Is this price good, what other spas should I look at?
Will I be happy with Arctic Spa?
Any other advice would be appreciated.
Any certain color easier to maintain or enjoy?
Also, I really don't need the most expensive or the most jets, just cheap to run and reliable.
Thanks for your time.....
Welcome.
There are some happy Artic spa owners who frequent this forum. Give them a little time and they'll chime in.
In the meantime, go to rhtubs.com (if you haven't been yet) and search the review section. There's 10+ reviews on Artics. It's a good place to start.
As far as other spas go, what other dealers are in your area?
Tileman
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Hi df and welcome to the land of hot, bubbling water! I am an Arctic owner of 2 weeks but researched for the right tub for our family for about 2 months. My wife and I wet tested about 12 makes and models and finally narrowed our decision to the Tundra and the Artesian Piper Glen (a "sleeper" company I would also definitely recommend to you). Artesian IMO gives you a lot for your money and is a brand that is not talked about as much here vs the major firms, so I like to mention them and give them some free pub! We finally chose the Arctic due to it's high quality of workmanship (which no one will dispute here) and the variety of features they offer. I don't want to list them all for fear of boring readers who have seen my posts before. Go to Arctic's website and read and educate yourself.
I agree with the other 2 posters though. It's best for you to visit as many dealers as are in your area, wet test as many models as possible (it's really a fun experience if you don't mind wearing only your swimsuit in front of other customers) and decide which of the units feel the most comfortable to you in terms of seating and jet configurations. If you have a particular area of the body that needs therapy, make sure the unit you end up with has plenty of jets for that area. Also, try and stay from units with too many small jets as the larger ones definitely feel much better if you're staying in your tub for longer than 10 or 15 minutes. Also, when you are wet testing, make sure that all seats are active at one time. Some 8' brands have only 2 pumps and don't have enough power to jet all seats at the same time using the water divertor.
In terms of energy usage, this is another subject I would rather not delve into with great depth. The question of full foam vs. the Arctic Heatlock type system will generate a lot of emotion with people from both sides getting upset. So it's really not worth opening Pandora's box. If you want my personal opinion, I can PM you if you desire. Arctic did commission an energy study which you can also read about on their website.
Bottom line, we love our Tundra thus far and hope to have pictures of our setup this Friday (when my college kids can help me with the process. (Dad is kind of dumb when it comes to those kinds of thing.) By the way, I must finish by saying Arctic IMO has the most beautiful cabinet in the market, made from Canadian western cedar (real wood, imagine that!). And we chose the Moonscape shell, which is mainly white, with speckles of brown and tan (matches our tan cedar home). Most people would agree that lighter shell colors reflect the LED lights better than darker shades. Look for my pics right after turkey day! Good luck whichever way you go!
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I'll chime in as another happy arctic owner (for 9-10 months now), but most of what I would have said has been said. So, briefly to capture the take-home points:
Yep, every dealer has a line about what separates their tub from everyone else
You must wet test and take your time to see what is important to you, regardless of how dealer A says that his jets are better and dealer B says that his filtration is better and dealer C says "you can have this price, but I need commitment now."
Markee threw some other brands out there, and if you look around this forum enough you'll get a feel for what is "considered" quality.
I love my Arctic and wrote a review which is in the review section. No other tub I wet tested, and I tested about 8 brands, had as many of the characteristics important to me as my tub. It was also more affordable for all of its bells and whistles as a floor model. I would not trade it for any other tub, but thee are also owners of every other brand out there who'd say the same about their tub.
Pick your price range, and narrow it down to the brands and dealers who you'd like to work with, then the work is over: you WILL have a quality unit if you do this. Then its like being a kid in a candy store- pick what makes you happy!!!!
Good luck
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My turn, I researched tubs for over a year. I wet tested many brands however, I kept comparing to the arctic line. After a year of research, I decided on the tundra signature series. I like you by the sounds of it, was not overlly interested in air therapy and extra jets so I chose the signature as a good midline option tub.
My tundra has been virtually issue free since August 2005.
Your questions were related to arctic so I will go from there. Artcic makes a great therapy tub, I find that the seating is geared to individual seating. This is known as a more contoured fit. If you are looking for a tub to facilitate parties, then I would say arctic may not be for you. You should look at a more open seating system. I prefered the contoured seating after wet testing many brands.
You are looking at the summit model signature series. 33 jets two pumps alot of power. Make sure you go ozone, not the upgrade just the standard one. I originally purcashed the sumit, but opted for a deeper tub. I love the setup in the sumit, however, once I tested the tundra, I was sold.
As for color, I would say it is all preference. One thing that I decided to get was the deluxe northern lighting package. This was the 5 led lights. Because of this, I went with a light color shell to illuminate the lights better. What ever color you go with, prefer to get the style that is treated with microban. That is the ruffer style finish.
I know alot about the arctic design, and am happy to PM you as well. Please do not reply about the sales people jumping on the cover or claims that they are the most energy efficient tub on the market. You will start a war. Do a search here on FF vs. TP. and you will see what we are talking about.
The bottom line, arcitc makes a great tub with excellent customer service and support. The tubs look great and feel great as well. As for energy efficiency, I will say that any tub you look at from a respectable company will be energy efficient. Even if arctics claims that they are the most energy efficient was true, you are talking pennies a month differnece on you bill.
I hope that this helped you out a bit. Arctic is a great company, a newer company compared to some other companies out there but over a decade and running strong. You do not have to worry about them being a fly by night company.
A couple of things to remember while searching for your tub.
Pick a price range, Wet test before you buy, look for a dealer you trust because this is huge issue down the road. Also consider warranty support from the company that you choose.
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Welcome and let the quest begin!! Try out as many tubs as you can/desire to try out. I got hooked on HotSpring's MotoMassage (a HotSpring exclusive), so our search really only entailed which HS spa to buy. We really didn't look at any other brands, other than Great Lakes Spas, which we weren't too impressed with. You'll end up with the spa that is most comfortable for you and your family, etc.
On a seperate note, I personally thought it was "suspect", if you will, when Great Lakes, and others offered to "upgrade" the cover, heater, whatever. Is this just a marketing thing or are their "standard" covers not that great? I ask this because HotSpring (and many others) have one cover which works whether you're in Arizona or Upper Michigan.
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There are many folks on this board who have an Artic and are very happy with it.
However, the top brands, I'd say would include (off the top of my head, with little coffee in my system)
Hot spring
Sundance
Caldera
D1
There are others, and I'm sure others will chime in an correct me, but hey, I'm not trying to sell you, just inform you.
As far as energy efficeny, among the top brands, even though they all claim to be the most efficent, there's no soild proof that one is better than the other, and it seems that the quality makers all have similliar energy efficencies.
The big thing with Artic is that it uses Thermal pane technolgy to insulate the tub, (some other quality manufactuers also use this method). While the others, such as Hot springs and Sundance use Full Foam.
Wet test, shop around. Research.
What other tubs have you looked at?
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You mentioned jets are not important, so I guess you will be a soaker and not a massager. If that is the case I would look for a hot tub that has a 24 hour filtration pump that skims your water without your jet pump on. Comfort is most important of course. But looking at $7500 for that tub i can't help but think there are several top name brands that would fit your criteria for up to $2000 less. But once again this is a purchase for you and your family so make sure everyone likes it because we want you to be happy soakers.
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Prices will vary from dealer to dealer. Don't worry about the dealer and the comfort level of them too much. After you have your tub you'll soon forget even where you bought your tub. Make sure you get alot for your money. Many dealers will take you for everything you got..
Play hardball. Many of these salesman are jerks..
Stick with the major brands and you'll be fine regarding quality and efficiency.
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Play hardball. Many of these salesman are jerks..
What did they do to you that was jerkified? I would really like to know, if you feel comfortable answering this...I just want to make sure I don't act the way they do.
Giblet Gravy
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I am looking for a hot tub and every salemen I call or talk to has the best one on the market. What are the top brands? I am looking for a 8*8, low heating bill and something I hope will last 10+ years without many issues. Any suggestions.
I have looked at Arctic Spa's some and they quoted me $7,500 for the Summit Signature (2007 model) with the Heater Upgrade, Polar Cover Upgrade, Microban Protection Upgrade, Exotic Jet Package, Forever Floor Upgrade, Delivery and Setup Up, BaquaSpa Kit and the 3 steps stair my wife asked them to throw in all included.
Is this price good, what other spas should I look at?
Will I be happy with Arctic Spa?
Any other advice would be appreciated.
Any certain color easier to maintain or enjoy?
Also, I really don't need the most expensive or the most jets, just cheap to run and reliable.
Thanks for your time.....
Arctic makes a great tub, but there are others just as good and energy effiecient. As said before don't fall for the sales pitch, narrow your search down to 2-3 even 4 manufacturers and wet test because comfort is the most important factor. All the quality brands will last for over 10 years and be about the same to operate.
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Prices will vary from dealer to dealer. Don't worry about the dealer and the comfort level of them too much. After you have your tub you'll soon forget even where you bought your tub. Make sure you get alot for your money. Many dealers will take you for everything you got..
Play hardball. Many of these salesman are jerks..
Stick with the major brands and you'll be fine regarding quality and efficiency.
Are you gettting soft? Many of them? I thought you belived *all* of them were crooked?
You're right. Screw the dealer. If you have any questions or problems just get onto a message board and ask. You'll find tons of help, espscially from all those crooked jerks. They are just hanging around here waiting to help you out.
Sled, have you done the 6 month pump cleaning yet ? (Dismount the pump, open the case/and windnings, and clean with 50-50 mix of vinegar and bleach? Most dealers do this free, but I assume you'll be doing it yourself?
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Andy , good one..
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Prices will vary from dealer to dealer. Don't worry about the dealer and the comfort level of them too much. After you have your tub you'll soon forget even where you bought your tub. Make sure you get alot for your money. Many dealers will take you for everything you got..
Play hardball. Many of these salesman are jerks..
Stick with the major brands and you'll be fine regarding quality and efficiency.
That post might be the worst advice I've ever seen on a spa forum! ::) Pathetic!!
Here's a post I responded to on another spa forum when asked about what akes a good a good tub?
This is actually a really good question. Most of us use to be able to tinker with our cars, right? Just like looking under the hood of a car and not recognizing any familiar components anymore, a spa is alien to most consumers in the simple aspect of what is right for them, never mind trying to determine quality.
Much of this comes down to the dealer level and feeling a confidence that you will be looked after regardless. I have always said that I would rather buy an average quality spa from a great dealer than a great spa from an average dealer. I can't stress dealer support enough and this is the predominant reason why I feel a box store purchase is questionable value.
We've all heard that buying from the major brands is a safe bet but these too have some poor quality dealers. It's more than that. It's finding the complete package of the right product at a great value from a dealer that cares which is the challenge consumer’s face.
Steve
Arctic makes a great tub but there's many others as well. Here's my checklist:
- Comfort of the spa itself for all family members
- Does it offer the therapy YOU are looking for
- Do you feel confident in your dealer as after sales service is critical
- Is there value to YOU
- Have you wet tested the spa(s) you are considering
- Are you being oversold with features that you'll seldom use
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Arctic makes a great tub but there's many others as well. Here's my checklist:
- Comfort of the spa itself for all family members
- Does it offer the therapy YOU are looking for
- Do you feel confident in your dealer as after sales service is critical
- Is there value to YOU
- Have you wet tested the spa(s) you are considering
- 100% No-Bypass Filtration
- Are you being oversold with features that you'll seldom use
That is a good list and great advice.
Georgey Porgey
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Arctic makes a great tub but there's many others as well (cept HotSprings). Here's my checklist:
- Comfort of the spa itself for all family members
- Does it offer the therapy YOU are looking for
- Do you feel confident in your dealer as after sales service is critical
- Is there value to YOU
- Have you wet tested the spa(s) you are considering
- 100% No-Bypass Filtration
- Are you being oversold with features that you'll seldom use
That is a good list and great advice.
Georgey Porgey
Hmmmm...seems that list has been "altered" but I just can't put my finger on it... ::)
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Still dammed good advice!
Beelzebubba
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Still dammed good advice!
Beelzebubba
Ya think? ;D Read it again...slower.... ;)
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Arctic makes a great tub but there tain't many others(cept HotSprings). Here's my checklist:
- Comfort of the spa itself for all family members
- Does it offer the therapy YOU are looking for
- Do you feel confident in your dealer as after sales service is critical
- Is there value to YOU
- Have you wet tested the spa(s) you are considering
- 100% No-Bypass Filtration
- Are you being oversold with features that you'll seldom use
That is a good list and great advice.
Georgey Porgey
Hmmmm...seems that list has been "altered" but I just can't put my finger on it... ::)
Great list!
Bo Diddley
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Arctic makes a great tub but the best is Beachcomber. Here's my checklist:
- Comfort of the spa itself for all family members
- Does it offer the therapy YOU are looking for
- Do you feel confident in your dealer as after sales service is critical
- Is there value to YOU
- Have you wet tested the spa(s) you are considering
- Equipment under the step
- Are you being oversold with features that you'll seldom use
That is a good list and great advice.
Georgey Porgey
Hmmmm...seems that list has been "altered" but I just can't put my finger on it... ::)
Great list!
Bo Diddley
Looks fine to me
littleme
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That's IT! I'm suing the bunch of ya for copyright infringement! :P How dare you question my intillagance..I am an ENGINEER DAMIT! toot toot.... ;)
Sorry...just wanted to see what that felt like... ;D
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People is there a reason why you people try to confusesombody who is looking for a tub?????
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Steve[/color]
Great post Steve
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Georgey Porgey
Bo Diddley
I officially give you the ever powerful personal word from the Highly coveted Admin position. TERMINATOR is officially acceptable and not annoying. Unless you have a few more names to use up.
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Well I wet tested the Arctic Spa, Dimension One and Sundance this weekend. I really slept good Saturday night. I really like the Arctic arm rests but worried about the wood outside. I also did not like the dials to control the flow of water from one side to another, hard to see the arrow and move with wet hands. Anybody had issues with the wood exterior? Why does Arcitc only use wood?
I liked the Sundance but wished they had arm rests but I thought the price for the Bahia at $6600 was not bad, I also like the Optima but need to justify the price. Anybody have a Sundance.
Also, the Dimension One was the first I tested and was hoping something else would fit my head better for the head rest, however I am 6'2 and found out really the pillows don't fit my head for any of them. Need to test the Dimension One again.
Anyone know which are rated better and why between,
Arctic, Bullfog, Dimension One, Sundance, Hotsprings etc. Any spa better for a 6'2 guy? Any top brands I am leaving out?
Your comments are appreciated....
Thanks...
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Look at Artesian, Marquis and Beachcomber. The more you see the better prepared you'll be at making a decision. Look at Emerald Spa too, they seem to have taller spas than most (38").
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I'm 6'1'' and own a Jacuzzi J-345(36'' deep) and it's plenty deep for me but I'm all legs. :)
All 400 series and 300 series(from the J-355 and up) are 38'' deep. If you have a dealer nearby... might want to give one a wet test. I can't see you being to tall for them as some of the seats were almost too deep for me.
Good Luck and have fun with all those wet tests. :)
Tileman
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Arctic, Bullfog, Dimension One, Sundance, Hotsprings etc. Any spa better for a 6'2 guy? Any top brands I am leaving out?
Your comments are appreciated....
Thanks...
Pacific Spas by aber are 40 inches deep and the foot wells are deep.
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arctic has more than just cedar skirts. They have new skirts this year which are the synthetic type like others. My cedar skirt is amazing. We power wash and stain once a season. It takes 2 beers and an hour out of your day once a year.
Arctic tundra and fox are the two deepest tubs they sell. They are more than enough for you. As for the diverters, they are easy to figure out. I dont find them difficult to use. Also, if this is one of your main concerns then I would say dont worry.
As for other tubs, I cant really give you to much input. No one can rate the companies that you asked. It is all personal preference.
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Also an Arctic owner here. I was irritated by the diverters a bit too, but no longer. I found that I can feel that little arrow even with no light. If I want them turned one way or the other all the way, it is a no brainer, but when i get out of the tub, I want them all set in the middle so water flows through all the plumbing. I dont even look now, I just find the arrow with a fingertip and move it to the middle.
Also very happy with the cedar skirt, but I have only had the tub 9 months.
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Brand New member ... 1st Post too. Just my 2.87 cents worth. Last year I bought a house that came with a Beachcomber hot tub. It is approx 6 years old. Ive had to replace a few jets, seized up, balls coming out of them etc. Replaced light assembly and seals in the pump. Now I understand that all that is not to be unexpected when a tub is that old however... Through all my experiences, well, lets just say I felt I was treated as a nusence (Sp?) and their prices seemed kinda high compared to other dealers. Then one day I went to Arctic Spas cause I was tired and frustrated with beachcomber. Not once have I felt like a nusence, their service has always been great and their prices reasonable. In short I do not patronize Beachcomber anymore and they probly don't even wonder why that guy doesn't come in anymore. No I have no connection in anyway with Arctic Spas other than I am a satisfied customer. If this post is concidered inappropriate in any way for naming companies please let me know and I will not name again. TTFN.
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Brand New member ... 1st Post too. Just my 2.87 cents worth. Last year I bought a house that came with a Beachcomber hot tub. It is approx 6 years old. Ive had to replace a few jets, seized up, balls coming out of them etc. Replaced light assembly and seals in the pump. Now I understand that all that is not to be unexpected when a tub is that old however... Through all my experiences, well, lets just say I felt I was treated as a nusence (Sp?) and their prices seemed kinda high compared to other dealers. Then one day I went to Arctic Spas cause I was tired and frustrated with beachcomber. Not once have I felt like a nusence, their service has always been great and their prices reasonable. In short I do not patronize Beachcomber anymore and they probly don't even wonder why that guy doesn't come in anymore. No I have no connection in anyway with Arctic Spas other than I am a satisfied customer. If this post is concidered inappropriate in any way for naming companies please let me know and I will not name again. TTFN.
The post is only inapproppriate because you said Beachcomber treated you like sh*t when in all reality the dealer you were at did, not Beachcomber. You could of recieved the same response from an Arctic dealer and it still would of had nothing to do with the product. This particular consumer may have a jerk Arctic dealer and a top notch Beachcomber dealer so the exact logic will apply to them, regardless of which tub is better.
Which just goes to show you the importance to most folks of developing a relationship with a dealer, regardless of the brand.
6 years on a pump seal would not neccesarily be that bad especialy if the pump was left dry or the tub was not cared for properly. I have seen pump seals go in less than a year because of poor water maintenence. I have also seem them last for 10-15 years.
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tman you know me a huge arctic fan here, but even that post seemed a little odd to me. I always am skeptical when a first post focuses on slamming one brand and praising another. ;)
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6 years on a pump seal would not neccesarily be that bad especialy if the pump was left dry or the tub was not cared for properly. I have seen pump seals go in less than a year because of poor water maintenence. I have also seem them last for 10-15 years.
Roger, I'm curious. I have asked this question before regarding draining tubs for the winter and the effect that it may have on pump seals or whatever seals they use on jets. Is this practice of ours for the unit we have at our cabin going to cause us a problem down the road?
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tman you know me a huge arctic fan here, but even that post seemed a little odd to me. I always am skeptical when a first post focuses on slamming one brand and praising another. ;)
Please re-read my post I did not slam the brand. I commented on the service I received at a Beachcomber store. The Stores name is Beachcomber Hot tubs they sold beachcomber branded tubs. Purported to be their number one store in the franchise. I tried dealing with them for a year as it was a Beachcomber hot tub I own. I commented on the problems I had experienced with the hot tub and said that I expected that to be considered typical for the age not the brand. I was making a comment and comparison to the level of service I experienced not the quality of the product.
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This is going to sound biased, coming from an Arctic owner, but I'd say that any dealer represents his brand, so if you get bad service from the dealer, it is in some respects bad service from the company, as the company chose to trust that person to represent them. I'm not suggesting that I think any less (or more) of Beachcomber than I did before reading Phyter's post, but I can understand why he would.
Now to balance things out, and to avoid sounding like a biased Arctic person who likes to hear another brand bashed........I had a fairly horrible Arctic dealer, but I regained faith in the company through other's that I worked with personally, on the phone, and online.
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complainer ;)
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6 years on a pump seal would not neccesarily be that bad especialy if the pump was left dry or the tub was not cared for properly. I have seen pump seals go in less than a year because of poor water maintenence. I have also seem them last for 10-15 years.
Roger, I'm curious. I have asked this question before regarding draining tubs for the winter and the effect that it may have on pump seals or whatever seals they use on jets. Is this practice of ours for the unit we have at our cabin going to cause us a problem down the road?
Wes I personaly think the best way to get the most longevity from a pump seal especialy, is to keep it wet and working. But at a cabin that is a difficult thing. In northern Wisconsin you need it looked at every day or every other day for 3-4 months out of the year. Well maybe 2-3 months.....naw 3-4.... If it's 20 below at night and -5 during the day for a week stretch, and you know that happens and your tub isn't running it will freeze solid and start rupturing lines. And if you get there and the vessel has ice on it (Ihave seen it) it is difficult to get it unthawed. Frozen and busted lines can be replaced but as the vessel gets frozen it becomes a "no longer cost effective to repair issue"
So whats a person to do....drain it. No biggy if the pump seals life is shortened so what. It's about a 15-20 minute job, and if you want I can walk ya through it, so can several others here. I think I pay somewhere around 20 bucks for a good pump seal. Maybe a 1/2h-1hr job if ya got a couple tough bolts to reach or something. Close the gate valves, assuming there are gate vales, and isolate the suspect motor, open the unions and drain the little bit of water in there, (I use a shop vac to lessen the water mess) take the motor bolts out and remove the motor, split it, spin off the impellor, pop out the old seal and in with the new seal after you clean the seal socket and apply a tiny bit of magilube to the sealing surface, spin on the impellor. put the pump back on the motor (4-6 bolts) bolt the motor back in the tub and attach the unions before you tighten the motor down, then tighen the motor down and open the gate valves. But I forgot shut off tub breaker first. and dissconct motor from power source!!!!!! ;D
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Thanks for that Roger. Great advice and details which I will print out and retain for future reference. I thought that would be your take on the situation. Fortunately, the spa is not full foam so in this case, that may be an advantage in repairing. Do you agree?
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Thanks for that Roger. Great advice and details which I will print out and retain for future reference. I thought that would be your take on the situation. Fortunately, the spa is not full foam so in this case, that may be an advantage in repairing. Do you agree?
No wes sorry, taking a pump out of a FF versus a TP makes no difference. An equipment bay is an equipment bay, FF or TP, 95 percent or better of my repair work is in there. It may be a bit less crowded but you got one access panel either way.
I think your just playin with me now....joker!!!
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tman you know me a huge arctic fan here, but even that post seemed a little odd to me. I always am skeptical when a first post focuses on slamming one brand and praising another. ;)
Please re-read my post I did not slam the brand. I commented on the service I received at a Beachcomber store. The Stores name is Beachcomber Hot tubs they sold beachcomber branded tubs. Purported to be their number one store in the franchise. I tried dealing with them for a year as it was a Beachcomber hot tub I own. I commented on the problems I had experienced with the hot tub and said that I expected that to be considered typical for the age not the brand. I was making a comment and comparison to the level of service I experienced not the quality of the product.
The Edmonton Stores are the #1 Beachcomber dealer I ve never heard of that ever happening there they do about 200+ a year but there's a first time for everything.
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The Edmonton Stores are the #1 Beachcomber dealer I ve never heard of that ever happening there they do about 200+ a year but there's a first time for everything.
I am sure that if the majority of their customers had the same experience as I then they wouldn't be in business. I am also in sales and realise that you can not be everything to every body. In any business it is about service. Everyone has competition and if one store doesn't sell you a given product then another one will. I as most people I know will gladly pay more for a product to get great service than to try to save a few bucks and get shoddy service.
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No wes sorry, taking a pump out of a FF versus a TP makes no difference. An equipment bay is an equipment bay, FF or TP, 95 percent or better of my repair work is in there. It may be a bit less crowded but you got one access panel either way.
I think your just playin with me now....joker!!!
My bad Roger. I assumed that there would have to be work done at the jet locations too. So I'm actually glad that all that would have to be worked on is the pump seals. Thanks for the clarification.
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There are many folks on this board who have an Arctic and are very happy with it.
Music to my ears. ;D
As far as energy efficiency, among the top brands, even though they all claim to be the most efficient, there's no solid proof that one is better than the other, and it seems that the quality makers all have similar energy efficiencies.
As to the absence of solid proof, I beg to differ. ;)
I expect that it will be good news for consumers when government energy agencies (it's the Office of Energy Efficiency here, a branch of National Resources Canada) do energy efficiency testing and implement EnerGuide labelling and Energy Star compliance for hot tubs.
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No wes sorry, taking a pump out of a FF versus a TP makes no difference. An equipment bay is an equipment bay, FF or TP, 95 percent or better of my repair work is in there. It may be a bit less crowded but you got one access panel either way.
I think your just playin with me now....joker!!!
My bad Roger. I assumed that there would have to be work done at the jet locations too. So I'm actually glad that all that would have to be worked on is the pump seals. Thanks for the clarification.
Naw if you have jet work to do it will be the removable front part in the tub vessel itself. Drying them may make them wear out prematurely but I dout you will notice a difference. Chlorine and use is hard on them also, but you could always take them out and bring them home with you to keep them warm or actualy even spray something on them after the tub is dry to keep them lubed, but it will have to be rinsed off before you refill or filtered off after you refill.