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Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: mkotubs on November 01, 2006, 12:29:53 pm
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Last night, went in the HT and turned on the jets and felt cooler water running out of the jet. The water turned warmer after serveral seconds (15 seconds).
I have a HS Envoy, which 24hr circ pumps, and understand that the water is not moving through the plumbing tubs feeding the jets. I'm just surprised that the water temp would be noticable in a FF tub. The tub was used on Monday and Tuesday, so the water wasn't sitting for a long period of time. Plus in NY, the outside temp has been warm (60 degrees).
Is this normal? I checked the water temp and it was 100 and felt the heater kick-on on last night as well.
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Sorry, a little typo, i have a HS Vista :)
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Envoy, Vista - perfectly normal.
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This happens every time I use the tub even when its 90 degrees outside.
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same here, I notice when I first crank them I get a gust of cool water. It goes away really fast though.
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Last night, went in the HT and turned on the jets and felt cooler water running out of the jet. The water turned warmer after serveral seconds (15 seconds).
I have a HS Envoy, which 24hr circ pumps, and understand that the water is not moving through the plumbing tubs feeding the jets. I'm just surprised that the water temp would be noticable in a FF tub. The tub was used on Monday and Tuesday, so the water wasn't sitting for a long period of time. Plus in NY, the outside temp has been warm (60 degrees).
Is this normal? I checked the water temp and it was 100 and felt the heater kick-on on last night as well.
Must depend on the type of insulation, mine does not do that. My tub is TP insulated and the inside cabinet stays between 100 and 114 all the time, it gets heat off the circulation pump and the Ozone light. It gets up to about 114 when the jet pumps run. I have a remote sensor inside and monitor the temp. The water is always warm when I first turn on the jet pumps.
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Last night, went in the HT and turned on the jets and felt cooler water running out of the jet. The water turned warmer after serveral seconds (15 seconds).
I have a HS Envoy, which 24hr circ pumps, and understand that the water is not moving through the plumbing tubs feeding the jets. I'm just surprised that the water temp would be noticable in a FF tub. The tub was used on Monday and Tuesday, so the water wasn't sitting for a long period of time. Plus in NY, the outside temp has been warm (60 degrees).
Is this normal? I checked the water temp and it was 100 and felt the heater kick-on on last night as well.
Must depend on the type of insulation, mine does not do that. My tub is TP insulated and the inside cabinet stays between 100 and 114 all the time, it gets heat off the circulation pump and the Ozone light. It gets up to about 114 when the jet pumps run. I have a remote sensor inside and monitor the temp. The water is always warm when I first turn on the jet pumps.
But Bosco has an Arctic so why does his spa do that? In fact, an Arctic doesn't foam the shell from my understanding bu relies more on insulating the outer panels and bottom so I'd expect his to have this occur to the least degree compared to a full foam or standard thermopane. I'm a bit confused on the varying results but yes, it is common for the plumbing lines temp to be a bit lower if the pumps have been off an extended time.
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Gee spatech, you and I are on the same wavelength again! I just read this thread and am also confused by bosco. If he does own an Arctic, his water should be warm IMO. I would suggest that he call his dealer to find out why he is getting a surge of cold H2o. I will be firing my Tundra up tomorrow with probable first soak on Friday. I will let you know my experience.
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Thanks for the replies,
Wanted to make sure this was normal before I called service.
I never pulled any panels off to check if my FF tub actually has FF, only saw the inside of the tub in dealer show room.
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But Bosco has an Arctic so why does his spa do that? In fact, an Arctic doesn't foam the shell from my understanding bu relies more on insulating the outer panels and bottom so I'd expect his to have this occur to the least degree compared to a full foam or standard thermopane. I'm a bit confused on the varying results but yes, it is common for the plumbing lines temp to be a bit lower if the pumps have been off an extended time.
Does his Arctic have a circ pump running all the time to generate any heat.
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My Vanguard did the same thing.
We have been having highs in the 30's and lows in the 20's.
When you look at how much shell there is (or isn't!) between the inside of the tub to the outside air, it would only make sense that the pipes and the water inside them get cold despite the FF.
I shall have to remember to start up the jets as I am taking the cover off!!
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For TP, probably the truth is that air and water stratify and it needs to get moving - I'm sure that the water is cooler on the bottom of the tub than toward the top of the tub (heat rises), I think only 1 pump operates during filter mode in non circ pump tubs. As far as FF, the equipment bay is exposed to cold air and I guess if the heater doesn't kick on for a while you'll get cold water. A question I have though is ... Aren't circ pumps connected to all the other pumps via tubes - I know mine is. I'll have to see what happens next time I go in.
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No George, Arctics use the low speed of pump 1 to turn over their water. Obviously that pump generates heat however so my question remains why the cooler water for bosco?
My Tundra arrived yesterday from the dealer who had wet tested it a week earlier and the inside chamber was still warm! In fact, after the cover was installed, their was enough warmth underneath to begin heating the empty air space of the spa! I thought that was pretty amazing.
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My arctic does that every now and then, but only maybe one in 10 times. Most of the time the water coming out of the jets is as hot as the tub. Weird variation.
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No cold water for me yet. :) I programmed my water to be filtered/skimmed 3 x a day for 30 min. This kicks on my main pumps therefore no water is trapped inside for long. I also have a 24 hr. circ and I'm pretty sure it doesn't connect w/ my other pump lines.
If you can program yours too, might want to give it a try.
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For TP, probably the truth is that air and water stratify and it needs to get moving - I'm sure that the water is cooler on the bottom of the tub than toward the top of the tub (heat rises), I think only 1 pump operates during filter mode in non circ pump tubs. As far as FF, the equipment bay is exposed to cold air and I guess if the heater doesn't kick on for a while you'll get cold water. A question I have though is ... Aren't circ pumps connected to all the other pumps via tubes - I know mine is. I'll have to see what happens next time I go in.
Vinnmeister,
On my LSX, the circ pump plumbing is completely separate from therapy pump plumbing. I do not experience the cold water rush described in this thread...I'm assuming this is because of the TP insulation and heat generated by the circ pump. 8-)
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My tub doesn't support programmable cycles, it has a 24 hr circ pump. So I'll have to get use to the cool water.
i'm just surprised that FF tub insulation isn't better around the pipes. I'll have to keep an eye on this when the outside temp really drops, especially when i'm away for a few days on business.
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For TP, probably the truth is that air and water stratify and it needs to get moving - I'm sure that the water is cooler on the bottom of the tub than toward the top of the tub (heat rises), I think only 1 pump operates during filter mode in non circ pump tubs. As far as FF, the equipment bay is exposed to cold air and I guess if the heater doesn't kick on for a while you'll get cold water. A question I have though is ... Aren't circ pumps connected to all the other pumps via tubes - I know mine is. I'll have to see what happens next time I go in.
Vinnmeister,
On my LSX, the circ pump plumbing is completely separate from therapy pump plumbing. I do not experience the cold water rush described in this thread...I'm assuming this is because of the TP insulation and heat generated by the circ pump. 8-)
OK, maybe it's different on TP tubs or maybe Artesian has those tubes into the therapy pumps for warm water circulation when the pumps aren't on ... who knows! :-[
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sorry wes, it will happen to you too. Anne, I think the one in 10 can best be explained by filtering times. If your tub is filtering and stops and you go out, you should have hot water in the lines, but if it has not filtered in sometime and you run the jets then I assume the water will be cooler.
Let me add, it is not freezing cold water going through the lines it is just cooler. Wes, you really scare me sometimes. I hope you never try and offer me coolaid
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For TP, probably the truth is that air and water stratify and it needs to get moving - I'm sure that the water is cooler on the bottom of the tub than toward the top of the tub (heat rises), I think only 1 pump operates during filter mode in non circ pump tubs. As far as FF, the equipment bay is exposed to cold air and I guess if the heater doesn't kick on for a while you'll get cold water. A question I have though is ... Aren't circ pumps connected to all the other pumps via tubes - I know mine is. I'll have to see what happens next time I go in.
Vinnmeister,
On my LSX, the circ pump plumbing is completely separate from therapy pump plumbing. I do not experience the cold water rush described in this thread...I'm assuming this is because of the TP insulation and heat generated by the circ pump. 8-)
My tub is ff and no cold shot for me as stated in a previous post. Therefore, I don't think it really matters what you have.
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sorry wes, it will happen to you too. Anne, I think the one in 10 can best be explained by filtering times. If your tub is filtering and stops and you go out, you should have hot water in the lines, but if it has not filtered in sometime and you run the jets then I assume the water will be cooler.
Let me add, it is not freezing cold water going through the lines it is just cooler. Wes, you really scare me sometimes. I hope you never try and offer me coolaid
Yep, bet you are right.... and -duh- I realized that the seat I like best for therapy is the farthest from the control panel. I spend as much time there as the other seats combined. So at least 1/2 the time I turn on jets there is a 2-3 second delay between turning them on and sitting in the seat. Bet that is long enough for any cool water to get pushed out.
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sorry wes, it will happen to you too. Anne, I think the one in 10 can best be explained by filtering times. If your tub is filtering and stops and you go out, you should have hot water in the lines, but if it has not filtered in sometime and you run the jets then I assume the water will be cooler.
Let me add, it is not freezing cold water going through the lines it is just cooler. Wes, you really scare me sometimes. I hope you never try and offer me coolaid
Hey bosco, I was just asking out loud why this may be happening. I didn't say there was anything wrong with your unit. Now that you have addressed the issue with your theory, it makes sense. Thanks and I'll take off my mask the next time!
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no worries didnt take any offence to it
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Ok gang, the morning after! My wife and I finally christened our Tundra last night and while we were going to spend a 1/2 hour in it, we "pruned-out" after 1 hour! The experience was delightful understanding this was our first ever spa. The temps were in the high 20's here in suburban Chicago so the contrast between air and water was quite extreme.
Some first time observations and critiques (as I have always promised to be fair and honest in my assessment of Arctic's products):
- The water temp I set at 100 was a bit too low for my wife, so I'll jack it up to 102 for tonight.
- The seventh seat (the high cooldown) is definitely a warmer weather seat; too far out of the water for extended periods in below freezing temps
- The side hip jets were too weak with the supplied jet head so I will replace it with directional ones instead of the rotational ones. Ditto for the thigh jets as well.
- Every seat of the six have a variety of feels and work on different parts of the body. The large 5" jets with their variety of patterns really works the neck, shoulders, and back beautifully.
Overall, a great first experience and look forward to future soaks for further evaluation.
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wes sounds great. I love how each seat targets you differently. You wait, in a few months, you will just go in and enjoy the hot water. My wife and I dont even use jets anymore, we love the peace and quiet. It makes you forget about a 3 year old and 3 month old for 30 min. a night in the quiet.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
Well we do have child monitors out there just in case, but it is kind of like being alone.
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Gee, I forgot the original reason for adding to this thread - the cool water issue. I did notice a brief moment (about a second) when some cooler water was expelled. I agree with bosco and his explanation. Actually, the "cool" water is probably still warm but compared to the temps in the spa, it feels cool. Not an issue at all for Arctic or any other mfg for that matter.
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wow, I gave sound information???????????????????? ;D ;D
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Ok gang, the morning after! My wife and I finally christened our Tundra last night and while we were going to spend a 1/2 hour in it, we "pruned-out" after 1 hour! The experience was delightful understanding this was our first ever spa. The temps were in the high 20's here in suburban Chicago so the contrast between air and water was quite extreme.
Some first time observations and critiques (as I have always promised to be fair and honest in my assessment of Arctic's products):
- The water temp I set at 100 was a bit too low for my wife, so I'll jack it up to 102 for tonight.
- The seventh seat (the high cooldown) is definitely a warmer weather seat; too far out of the water for extended periods in below freezing temps
- The side hip jets were too weak with the supplied jet head so I will replace it with directional ones instead of the rotational ones. Ditto for the thigh jets as well.
- Every seat of the six have a variety of feels and work on different parts of the body. The large 5" jets with their variety of patterns really works the neck, shoulders, and back beautifully.
Overall, a great first experience and look forward to future soaks for further evaluation.
Before you undertake changing of the jets, make sure that the jets are on full. The ring usually controls that function. Also, from my non-Arctic experience - the rotating and stationary jets sometimes are the same. I have some jets that are the same size but some rotate and some don't. They look the same and the rotating jets can even stop rotating if I want them to but the feel is the same other than the rotating feeling. I do know that there are different rotating jets that fit certain size bodies in the Waterway jets.
Water temp makes all the difference to me. My wife likes cooler water and I tried it once in the summer at 99 but it was too cool for my liking. We're starting to get frost here so I'll be jacking that temp to 102 too.
Enjoy!!
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i get cold water too. but what is the point?
I turn it on and it is warm i 2 sec.
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My Epic also will have a flash of cool water when the #2 pump is turned on in the cold weather...the #1 is the filtration pump and also the temperature monitor so it doesn't seem to cool as much.
Now I will tell you from a woman's perspective, (as noted by others, we often like cooler water)...I actually save that for near the end of my soak...if I am in alone, I will not use that pump until I ready to come out of the tub. That little blast of cooler water is actually refreshing...so how's that for a twist? :o
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My Epic also will have a flash of cool water when the #2 pump is turned on in the cold weather...the #1 is the filtration pump and also the temperature monitor so it doesn't seem to cool as much.
Now I will tell you from a woman's perspective, (as noted by others, we often like cooler water)...I actually save that for near the end of my soak...if I am in alone, I will not use that pump until I ready to come out of the tub. That little blast of cooler water is actually refreshing...so how's that for a twist? :o
My experience with women has been the exact opposite. Every girlfriend along with all my female family members seem to always be cold. The first thing they say when getting in my spa is can we turn the temp up. Likewise with my house I keep it no higher than 69 degrees in the winter and sure enough the same question arises when they enter the door.
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My Epic also will have a flash of cool water when the #2 pump is turned on in the cold weather...the #1 is the filtration pump and also the temperature monitor so it doesn't seem to cool as much.
Now I will tell you from a woman's perspective, (as noted by others, we often like cooler water)...I actually save that for near the end of my soak...if I am in alone, I will not use that pump until I ready to come out of the tub. That little blast of cooler water is actually refreshing...so how's that for a twist? :o
My experience with women has been the exact opposite. Every girlfriend along with all my female family members seem to always be cold. The first thing they say when getting in my spa is can we turn the temp up. Likewise with my house I keep it no higher than 69 degrees in the winter and sure enough the same question arises when they enter the door.
Chad,
Think naked ... turn up the heat! (DON'T think naked of family members though - that's sick!)
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My Epic also will have a flash of cool water when the #2 pump is turned on in the cold weather...the #1 is the filtration pump and also the temperature monitor so it doesn't seem to cool as much.
Now I will tell you from a woman's perspective, (as noted by others, we often like cooler water)...I actually save that for near the end of my soak...if I am in alone, I will not use that pump until I ready to come out of the tub. That little blast of cooler water is actually refreshing...so how's that for a twist? :o
My experience with women has been the exact opposite. Every girlfriend along with all my female family members seem to always be cold. The first thing they say when getting in my spa is can we turn the temp up. Likewise with my house I keep it no higher than 69 degrees in the winter and sure enough the same question arises when they enter the door.
Chad,
Think naked ... turn up the heat! (DON'T think naked of family members though - that's sick!)
;D ;D I like the way you think Vinny. ;D ;D
I can't believe that never crossed my mind. :-?
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Likewise with my house I keep it no higher than 69 degrees in the winter and sure enough the same question arises when they enter the door.
69 degrees?? :o :o What luxury!
We are at 64 during the night and I bump it up to 67 for about 2 hours in the morning as we are waking up and getting ready for school. Then, back down it goes...
That's why they make sweatshirts! :)
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Hey Chad ... I remember what it was like at your age! ;) Oh wait I was married, I saw what it was like on TV!! ;D
I keep my house at 60 during the day and 65 at night while sleeping during the week, anytime we're in the house awake it's 71 in winter. In the summer I have it going up to 78 during the day and 75 at night and 72 when we're doing things around the house. Wife sometimes puts temp on hold to defrost meat, she claims it's too cold when we're not here.
You guys really need to turn up the furnace. You know that cobwebs can burn if ignited!
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Hey Chad ... I remember what it was like at your age! ;) Oh wait I was married, I saw what it was like on TV!! ;D
I keep my house at 60 during the day and 65 at night while sleeping during the week, anytime we're in the house awake it's 71 in winter. In the summer I have it going up to 78 during the day and 75 at night and 72 when we're doing things around the house. Wife sometimes puts temp on hold to defrost meat, she claims it's too cold when we're not here.
You guys really need to turn up the furnace. You know that cobwebs can burn if ignited!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
In the winter I'm 66 at night and while at work. When I'm home it's usually around 70.
In the summer everyone calls my house the "ice box". I'm never above 70 and at night I crank her down to about 67-68. I just can't sleep good w/o being cold. :)
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I never heard before, or have seen a trend that women prefer cooler water. Around here, I like much hotter temps (spa/shower)than the boyfriend. But when it comes to sleeping, I like the room cold, and he likes it warmer. Keeping the energy bill down means that I win!