Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: marianb on July 20, 2006, 06:18:58 pm
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Hey everyone,
I know I have come onto this forum kind of quickly. But I am a teacher and have only summers to have time to research and learn about things for my hubby and me rather than for school stuff. So pls bear with me when I seem to be sending lots of mail and asking lots of questions. I need all kinds of info now because everything must happen quickly.
I began by liking the Sundance Burlington. (price) But I like a foot pedestal like in the Optima. I saw the Bahia but was on Sundance overload that day and paid no attention to it.
I have a price of $7600 which includes cover, lifter, steps - all the basics.
I will go back to the dealer this weekend. Is this price (northern Va.) ok? Suggestions?
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Don't apologize for asking questions here, this is what the forum is for. That being said, Sorry I still can't answer your question but I'm really glad you're narrowing it down.
From the sounds of it the Sundance salesperson you're dealing with is willing to go the extra distance to make sure you feel good about you're choice.
Good luck and keep us posted....
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I am in California and I understand there are price difference by region. I am too looking at the Bahia. Based on my research, I think the Bahia should sell for around $6,000. I haven't seen anyone post that they paid more than $6500.
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If no one has paid more than $6500 this year, then I have an $1100 difference. Maybe being close to Washington changes the price that much, but doesn't it seem like a lot?
This tub would come with the cover, lifter, stairs, and lcd lights if that changes anything.
My husband says I shd just get what I like. But I am a comparison shopper - shades of my NYC upbringing, I guess - and want to know that what I get is a good deal.
Thanks for everyone's help on this.
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I am in California and I understand there are price difference by region. I am too looking at the Bahia. Based on my research, I think the Bahia should sell for around $6,000. I haven't seen anyone post that they paid more than $6500.
ucd 9699
I saw your post in the other thread, where you said you were quoted $6500 for the Bahia complete with O3, steps, lifter and cover. To me that seemed like a very good price.
Was it in this froum that you got your numbers? Jsut curious, because I was more under the impression the "Avg" price was more like $7K.
? just curious.
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$6000 is VERY low for a Bahia. They should be in the $6800 to $7000 range. $6995 here at my store.
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Are you going to wet test any of them? You have narrowed it down to a few choices, in this case at the same store. Many people will tell you that their favorite before a wet test wasn't #1 afterward.
[glb]I just read another of your post and see you are wet testing this weekend. Let us know what you think then.[/glb]
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I have been so glad to get so many estimates on the Bahia. I was quoted 7600, and got two more other verbal estimates from dealers of 7200. And then many internet ones of $7000.
I will try very hard to be diplomatic and get the price down from 7600. The store is closer and servicing wld be easier.
I'm not sure what I could say that would matter. I am concerned that I say the right thing - because I am hoping for a $400-500 drop.
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I paid about 5600.00 before tax in Nov. 2003.
Nick
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I have looked on poolandspa, poolspaforum and one other hottub forum that I can't recall. I searched "Bahia" and several posts were return stating they paid between 5600 to 6500. You know it is so hard to tell what a fair price is. Besides at the sundance dealership, the inital quote for the other spas were outrageous. Then the price started to tumble. A state fair special or other special and the price dropped a $1000 or more. Then I asked is that the best and the price falls a few more hundred comes off. From my research, I think a fair price for the Bahia would be 6,000. The Caspian would be a little higher, but my HS dealer said they would match Sundance. And the Moorea, the lowest I have seen posted, was 6900.
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Especially when dealing with internet sites make sure the price includes shipping and delivery. Many don't include shipping costs or if they do they just include curbside dropoff. When I started looking at tubs I also looked a lot at the internet providers as I was lured by price. For me, using a local dealer was better in the end.
A very personal choice just make sure you do a complete comparison when looking at the different prices.
Good luck.
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I just did a quick search for "Bahia" on one of the other forums and here are the results of several posts of what different people paid. I only went back to Dec 2005. 5995, 6995, 6995, 6500, 6000, 6500, 5600, 6500, 5600. I tried a similar search on this forum, but only ran into my own thread(s). So based on these numbers, I think you could get a Bahia for 6,000. Now not all posters stated they got ozone, steps, etc..., but several did. I came to this forum, becuase someone from the other forum mention that this forum was more active. So I thought I would take those numbers and see what this group thought. Please share your thoughts. I just want to know I am paying a fair price.
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I searched "Bahia" and several posts were return stating they paid between 5600 to 6500.
You might want to check the dates on those. Costs have gone up quite a bit in the last few years. $6000 is not a reasonable price to expect. $6800 to $7000 is where the Bahia should be(as I stated before)
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The Caspian would be a little higher, but my HS dealer said they would match Sundance.
Why would a Caspian be higher? Because it's smaller than a Bahia?
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I think you have to be very careful about taking what people say they paid and comparing it to a price you get for a particular tub. Obviously, the model year and date of purchase may be very different, as well as the exact configuration of the deal, ie, what is included?-lift, ozone, ss jet covers, chemicals, delivery, pump and/or jet options, etc? Also, people often do not state whether their pice did or did not include sales tax. This can make a significant diffference depending on the base price and the tax rate.
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Well said Jeff
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I don't know why the Caspian would be priced higher than the Bahia. That's my point. Dealers price their tubs at what they believe the consumers will pay. The HS salesperson said the Caspian is a HS product which is a higher end product. I don't believe that. I actually wet tested both and prefer the Bahia.
While I agree there are a lot a variables in the posted prices, I do think it is helpful to compare posted prices. f you take all the posted prices I refrenced and average them you come to about $6300. This number seems reasonable. My local dealer said he would sell the Bahia to me for $6500. This was a state fair special. It included the standard goodies, cover, lifter, chems, ozone, delivery, setup, steps and rubber duck.... It does not include sales tax. I think I have a good local dealer that is offering a fair price.
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You may also want to take a look at the Jacuzzi line. They and Sundance are the same company but often sell out of different stores and Jacuzzi is addressing the lower cost portion of the market more effectively IMHO by offering different versions of it's tubs. They probably have a version that is VERY similar (in terms of warrantly, etc) to the Bahia for less cash (maybe a 355 for around $6,300...)? Good luck
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You can't equate tub size to price - all manufacturers charge differently for their different size tubs.
As far as looking at previous posts and saying this is what was paid last year - don't. I paid $6,700 in Oct 2004 for my tub, didn't order it until April 2005 and got a 2004 price on a 2005 tub - I saved at least $500. I left a $500 deposit and they held the price for 6 months. BTW, I got a price on the Bahia for $6350 in Oct 2004 that included O3, lifter, steps and an upgraded filter system (Upgraded to whatever the Sundance line was using at the time) for whatever it's worth.
Options can be a BIG thing. Not all tubs are created or bought equally. My tub is "fully loaded" for me but I don't have a stereo, waterfall, multiple LED lights or the Upgraded CD O3 unit. marianb got a quote for $8500 for the Artesian Cayman BUT it might have had more options - my 56 jet Cayman is not "top of the line" for the Cayman anymore AND there have been at least 2 price increases since I bought mine.
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A spa made in California and shipped to the East Coast has a significantly higher price to the dealer than one sold in California. Freight can run $500 or more per spa to ship them across the country.
Comparing a 2003 price to a 2006 price is of little value. With the price of components (petroleum products, steel, freight from vendors, etc.) doubling or tripling since then, spas have gone up.
The dealer's cost of fuel, insurance, rent, etc. have certainly increased in the past 3 years as well.
Find the spa brands and models that you like, compare them to others in your area, and buy the one that seems the best value to you.
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Well whatever variables that go into the price, I think 7600 is on the high end for the Bahia. I hope the original poster on this thread uses comps from this forum and others to get a better deal.
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Dealers feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. When I was spa shopping last year, the Sundance 700 Series spas only had a 3 year warranty and now they have a 5 year warranty. I'm no expert but I would think that the upgraded warranty could possibly cause an increase in the price of the spas.
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There is certainly a cost factor associated with each year of warranty from a manufacturer's standpoint.
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There is certainly a cost factor associated with each year of warranty from a manufacturer's standpoint.
You betcha. There are many costs associated with a warranty. There is paying the claims to the dealers, having to pay employees to process the claims and related stuff, even the printing of the certificates.
These are all expenses. Expenses must be recovered before a profit can be made.
Therefore it stands to reason that part of the spa's price includes a cost factor for the warranty.