Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Stemay on May 04, 2006, 10:02:54 pm
-
Just got back from plopping our $$ down for an Artesian Piper Glen!!!! We are SOOOOOOOO EXCITED!!!!!!! Can't wait for delivery!
Question about lights......what's the feeling on going with the LED lights? Worth the extra $ or no? My hubby is color blind, so it probably is not going to make much of a difference to him. Wasn't really sure about it all. Was surprised at the almost $200 price tag on it.
Opinions please?!
Thanks
-
My Marquis Reward included LEDs but frankly I wouldn't miss them if they were not there. My wife and I normally don't bother turning them on.
I wouldn't pay an extra $200 for them but that's me.
On the other hand, my 12 year old daughter and her friends always have them on.
Phil
-
We love our lights. Our Optima has the waterfall, which is also lit up. I find the running colored water to be very relaxing. Sort of like staring at a fire.
ap
-
$200 for LED lights? Check eBay, you can buy them all day long for $39.
Monk
-
We love our Artesian Dove Canyon that we purchased last year but did not get the led lights. In fact like Phil, we never use the light anyway. We like sitting in the tub relaxing just looking at the stars. I think you'll find you can do without them.
mark
-
We got lights standard on our tub and so far like the ambience and mood they bring out with the waterfall and sides. Whether it's worth the cash will be up to you. You'll be happy either way in hot water.
-
I have to honestly say we all love the lights in our Epic. Our waterfall light was out for a while and my husband was so happy that I called to get it fixed...We are in an area with no lights, no street lights, no other distracting lights, so the lights in the tub look even more awsome.
I know without hesitation, my hubby would say Yes, $200 for the lights. But maybe you would think of other things you might like better for $200.00 ;)
-
In my opinion the LED lights are amazing. They are not super bright, but when the jets are going and the lights are on, it just changes the feel of the soak. I find it more soothing and relaxing. I would go with them.
In the grand sceme of things, is 200 really not worth having them. You are about to shell out around 10k for a luxury item, 200 is really a small coin in the bucket in the grand sceme of things.
Get them, for 200 even if you dont use them, it was only 200. If 200 is too much, perhaps rethink buying a tub. I would hate to see your posts when you start buying chemicals, accessories, and looking at your hydro.
Bottom line
LUXURY COSTS
thats why they are luxuries
-
At the risk of sounding like a cheap a$$ idiot....
I put a set of LED lights in my Jacuzzi, I like it a lot better than using the white light with lame lens covers. It has over a dozen different types of color rotations and looks nice.
I saved a buck, plugged it in myself, didn't change jumpers or make program changes, works like a charm.
-
If you like them, and are in your budget, then I say go for it.
I don't have the LED lights on my tub. Just an underwater blue dome light that dims and a light under the water fall (which I like).
I think the LED option is one of persnal taste. Personaly, I'm not a big fan of the LED light packages, to me they can make the tub look like a spaceship landing at night.
;). I prefer a soft, natural light and use copper tourches around my tub.
Does anyone have pics of the PG at night lit up?
-
I have the underwater LED
light and I enjoy it very much.
I don't have the LED waterfall
light and I wish I did.
(http://www.parpool-spa.com/images/Spa/Spa%20Access/Spalight.gif)
-
Stemay
I have been looking very hard at the Piper glenn myself, and I really like the led lights. I find the blue color very relaxing. I do think that your choice would greatly depend on the color of your shell. I am interested in the pearl white shell and the lights make a very big impact. If your getting a darker colored shell I am not sure how much effect the lights would have. I have not seen the lights except for the white shell.
I would love to know what you paid and what came with the deal and what other tubs you were interested in and what made you go with the Piper Glenn.
Thanks
-
After reading some of the posts, it does seem rather silly not to go for the lights after spending this much $. I think we will have lights! Hubby is color blind, so won't appreciate them as much as I will.....it depends on what colors they look like to him. We will enjoy the spa for years to come....the money is nothing when you think about it over the long term.
Got the moonscape, so it's light in color. We will be able to see the lights.
-
Congrats on the new tub.
We have the LED lights in our Artesian spa and I really like it. We're in the process of adding some landscaping lights and such and may eventually not use the tub lights, but until then we use the LED lights.
We negotiated the LED light and they threw it in for no added cost (got the cover lifter and steps too for no added cost). I'm with LtDan...I don't think they are that hard to install yourself if you do choose to buy them elswhere.
-
You have to love a website that caters to the cheap a**. A dealer offers a product for $200 but some idiot thinks he can save a buck and put it in himself. The cheap a** has no clue if it is a 6 pin a 12 pin or a 36 pin led light. The cheap a** also thinks he can just plug it in and it should work. To bad you have to change jumpers and reprogram the settings to make it work.
DON'T BE A CHEAP A**!!!
If you want the lights, go for it. But pay the dealer, not some idiot on e-bay
Huh?
There is a huge difference between being a cheap a** and a dumb a**.
In a buyers world, you need to know what you are buying. A little homework and you save some money.
My dealer says he buys all his LED lights from eBay because he can get them much cheaper there than from the factory.
My cheap a** paid $39 for the 24 light LED. It took me 2 minutes to UNPLUG the old light and PLUG in the new light. No tools, no jumpers, no masters degree, not even a PhD! No, this dumb a** saved over $150 just being a retired Marine vet.
Saving money is the American way.
Monk
-
I see the LED lights as a personal choice. The only time my lights are turned on is to see how to get in and out of the tub when it is dark. Other than that, I only see the light of the stars.
-
Do you realize you just voided your warranty... Thats the American Way, I belive it's also called "penny wise and pound foolish
Really? Why did my delaer sell it to me?
I just called him, I have a full warranty with the spa, but the LED only has a 2 year warranty.
I am living on a fixed income from the military, I lost my right leg and right hand to a bomb in Iraq. So saving money is important to me.
Monk
-
Do you realize you just voided your warranty... Thats the American Way, I belive it's also called "penny wise and pound foolish. Your tub may already be out of warranty but please dont give advice to someone that is buying a brand new hot tub if your advice is to void the warranty on day 1
Micah, what side of the bed did you wake up on this morning??? That being said, if that item is not approved by said MFG, he did just void his warranty. Whether or not the MFG chooses to cause blame to any service issue because of the unapproved item is up to them. ;)
-
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/d3eea495.jpg)
By all means, get the lights and ENJOY them as they truly add to the ambience, the atmosphere, and the entire experience of owning a spa.
I liken it to the scenario when people ask me "Why do you feel the need to carry a magic fairy wand? There is no danger here."
I reply "I'd rather have it and never need it than need it one time and not have it."
You never know when the soft luminous glow might be just the catalyst for a romantic romp in the spa! ;)
Titillating wishes and slipper knockin' dreams....
The Spa Fairy
-
Wait a second, I'm confused now...did you buy it on e-bay, or from your dealer?
Either way I have yet to see a warranty that lets you install "Non-factory" items on a spa without voiding the warranty. Most warrantys also say in bold print that if anyone other than a factory trained tech does ANY repairs or modifications the warranty is void
This includes buying an ozone or L.E.D. light from a website
On a seperate note, I and every other American owes you our thanks. We can never repay you for what you lost. You have my deepest gratitude and respect.
Micah
I bought it from dealer, who buys them from eBay. My warranty is FULLY intact, what the f**k else do you want to know? Cripes man, are you a dealer pissed off because I didn't buy YOUR brand or what? If you are a dealer, you sure are shooting yourself in the foot --- PUN intended.
Monk
-
1) If you're not willing to pay for the upgrade in full, then it's obviously not that big of an issue for you.
2) If it is a big issue for you and you decide to go through knowingly buying a non-approved product to jerry-rig or hotwire your hot tub (even though it is just a simple plug) you deserve any and all warranty failures and subsequent costs that come your way. I have no sympathy for people who willfully bend the rules for something so trivial as money.
My own personal viewpoint is that I don't really ever use the lights. It's a nice ooh-and-ahh factor if you want to show all the people on the block that you've got a swanky hot tub and think you're spa royalty, but doesn't add much to the performance of the spa. If I use the lights I do a simple blue LED and usually dim it down.
-
We have decided to go with the lights....and have them installed by the dealer. We do not want to take a chance and void the warranty!
I didn't stop to think how color can definitely affect the mood. It can help to sooth and relax.
I think we would have been fine either way.....but I think we're going for it anyway!
Thanks all for your input.
-
Lets go back to what my problem was with your post. You gave advice to someone, and it was bad advice. Just beacuse you are cheap and trying to save a buck, dosent mean you should give that same bad advice out to other people. The fact remains that if said person spends 200 for the mfg. to install a light. The light system as well as all electrical componets will be covered under warranty. If they follow your advice, (being cheap or just failure to think it through)and choose to install something on their own, and anything goes wrong, they voided their warranty. Just the fact that you substitute a manufactures part for something you got off of ebay voids your warranty. And last but not least if a consumer works on any electrical item in the spa, they void most warrantys.
Your advice to STEMAY (though you may have had the best intention)was based on very limited knowlege. It's kind of like when someone has had their spa for 30 days and thinks they are a chemical expert
I have been in this industry for over 20 years. If I say that what you are recomending will void a warranty, it's because i've seen it happen.
If giving customers sound advice is shooting myself in the foot, well i must have shot myself a thousand times.
I am done with you. One thing I learned after 23 years in the military is that my time has more value than someone trying to twist the words of truth.
You sir called me a cheap a**. Is this how you treat your customers? Didn't think so.
Monk
-
The LED light I put in plugged directly into the the socket the plain bulb used. I've had two warranty calls since putting it in, was never advised I was in danger of voiding my warranty, they even waived the trip charge.
How can changing a light bulb void a warranty? How does the hot tub know instead of a plain white light there is an LED light in its place?
I'd be interested if anyone (consumer) on the forum can actually tell of how putting in a LED light voided a warranty.
-
You have to love a website that caters to the cheap a**. A dealer offers a product for $200 but some idiot thinks he can save a buck and put it in himself. The cheap a** has no clue if it is a 6 pin a 12 pin or a 36 pin led light. The cheap a** also thinks he can just plug it in and it should work. To bad you have to change jumpers and reprogram the settings to make it work.
DON'T BE A CHEAP A**!!!
If you want the lights, go for it. But pay the dealer, not some idiot on e-bay
What our pirce conscious advisor does not know is that there are 8 LED light lens's installed instead of the standard 1. Thus, his advice should be to buy 7 more of those suckers, drill the shell and install tha additional lens's, and I would not suggest that.
NOT ALL advice you get on the web is accurate or good advice, albeit sincere and opinionated.
As for the lights, they are easy to pass on and there are better things you can do with $200, BUT, IF you have an extra $200, and you are getting the Piper Glen, they are the sizzle that sells the steak.
Apple pie is good, but when you walk into a house and they just baked an apple pie that is better. Simple to say, but do it now or don think about it again.
-
The LED light I put in plugged directly into the the socket the plain bulb used. I've had two warranty calls since putting it in, was never advised I was in danger of voiding my warranty, they even waived the trip charge.
How can changing a light bulb void a warranty? How does the hot tub know instead of a plain white light there is an LED light in its place?
I'd be interested if anyone (consumer) on the forum can actually tell of how putting in a LED light voided a warranty.
A word of caution, the dealer is your ally and front line of defense. He is your warranty service center and usually make the determination that it will be submitted as a warranty consideration. IF you experience a problem, he is going to know about it because you are going to call him to fix it under warranty.
Treat him rudely, be inconsiderate of him, short change him, pi$$ him off, rip him a new a$$hole for your bad water chemistry if you wish, BUT when he voids your warranty because of the "techinical" fine print included in the warranty, do not complain.
Best advice here, IF you have that type of a personality, don't cross the line, because paybacks can cost you in the end. ;)
-
What our pirce conscious advisor does not know is that there are 8 LED light lens's installed instead of the standard 1. Thus, his advice should be to buy 7 more of those suckers, drill the shell and install tha additional lens's, and I would not suggest that.
NOT ALL advice you get on the web is accurate or good advice, albeit sincere and opinionated.
As for the lights, they are easy to pass on and there are better things you can do with $200, BUT, IF you have an extra $200, and you are getting the Piper Glen, they are the sizzle that sells the steak.
Apple pie is good, but when you walk into a house and they just baked an apple pie that is better. Simple to say, but do it now or don think about it again.
I thought the $200 was for just 1 LED light, I got mine for $180. The multi light LED's were about $500 on the Cayman, I assume that's the same as for the Piper.
I would agree that $200 is not much money since the Piper is $10K and is worth paying in case you would like it. I bought it for that reason.
-
The LED light I put in plugged directly into the the socket the plain bulb used. I've had two warranty calls since putting it in, was never advised I was in danger of voiding my warranty, they even waived the trip charge.
How can changing a light bulb void a warranty? How does the hot tub know instead of a plain white light there is an LED light in its place?
I'd be interested if anyone (consumer) on the forum can actually tell of how putting in a LED light voided a warranty.
This is my point that seems no one can answer. I've also noticed what I call selective reading here. I have stated several time that my DEALER and the FACTORY said using after market light bulbs will NOT effect the warranty on my spa, yet "some" people choose not to read that part of my statement. Funny isn't it?
In fact the factory rep explained it this way. Say you have a Ford and the battery goes dead, instead of buying a Motorcraft battery, you buy a Sears Diehard instead. Would Ford void your warranty..... NO!
Now, when it come to pumps, and such, I can see where you call your dealer and have them service your spa, that is why you bought it from them.
-
Can a dealer confirm if installing this unit would void my warrenty?
[link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4461190840&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Fcgiurl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252Fws%252F%26fkr%3D1%26from%3DR8%26satitle%3D4461190840%2509%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1]Click here for the light[/link]
-
Are you people kidding me? It's a frigging light bulb. I'm all for supporting my local dealer, but come on. Drewstar's link has 100% positive feedback, and echoes what has been said here. Buyer quotes: "Installed item easily. A great addition to any hot tub. You will love this item!" "Very fast delivery, the light works great." etc.
IF it is a warranty issue, that's different (and I still don't see how swapping out a light bulb is 'crossing the line' with your dealer). Reminds me very much of when computers had the "warranty void" stickers so you couldn't even add a modem or upgrade your memory, and the dealer could charge you 5 times what they were worth for "approved" components.
I would think it'd be easy enough to ask your local dealer what his thoughts are after you buy, or call your state's Office of Consumer Affairs and ask them.
By the way Stemay, enjoy the new tub!!
-
Monk, do what you want with your spa and don't give a damn bit of worry about what the naysayers squawk about. If you want a pretty light in your spa, do it.
Thank you for your service and I'm truly sorry for your loss. <Salute> It's folks like you that make this country great!
Terminator
-
What's the HTML code to rename the link? I'd like to fix it so rather than a 10 foot long address in the url brackets, i have a link that says "Click here for the light"
?
-
What's the HTML code to rename the link? I'd like to fix it so rather than a 10 foot long address in the url brackets, i have a link that says "Click here for the light"
?
[link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4461190840&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Fcgiurl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252Fws%252F%26fkr%3D1%26from%3DR8%26satitle%3D4461190840%2509%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1]Click here for the light[/link]
For future reference, it's xlink=http://mysite.com]Click here to view[/linkx with opening and closing brackets where the x's are.
-
Many thanks to the man from NY.
Too bad the Sox are gonna whip your butt in the bronx.
8) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-
My Artesian Island came with the Gecko CoolRays CLS1 LED light.
10 LED was $50
24 LED was $125
DynaBrite was $500 (not sure what DynaBrite is)
I like the LED lights. I'm not positive as to which one I got, but it was one of those "freebie" upgrades that I negotiated with my dealer.
-
Is it possible/practical to
add an LED Waterfall after the fact?
I have a waterfall, but it isn't lighted.
I have the LED underwater light and love it,
now I wished I had ordered the pkge
with the LED Waterfall light.
(Cal Spa SQ92)
-
At the risk of sounding like a cheap a$$ idiot....
I put a set of LED lights in my Jacuzzi, I like it a lot better than using the white light with lame lens covers. It has over a dozen different types of color rotations and looks nice.
I saved a buck, plugged it in myself, didn't change jumpers or make program changes, works like a charm.
Ah HA!!!! CHEAP A**...CHEAP A**!!!! ;)
-
We have decided to go with the lights....and have them installed by the dealer. We do not want to take a chance and void the warranty!
I didn't stop to think how color can definitely affect the mood. It can help to sooth and relax.
I think we would have been fine either way.....but I think we're going for it anyway!
Congratulations on the new tub! If you think you'll love it now, just wait until you have it installed ;)
And if color relates to moods, then the color of this thread should be RED! >:(
-
We have decided to go with the lights....and have them installed by the dealer. We do not want to take a chance and void the warranty!
I didn't stop to think how color can definitely affect the mood. It can help to sooth and relax.
I think we would have been fine either way.....but I think we're going for it anyway!
Congratulations on the new tub! If you think you'll love it now, just wait until you have it installed ;)
And if color relates to moods, then the color of this thread should be RED! >:(
I was thinkning squishy brown, but red works too.
-
Hey Drew, I love the lights in my spa, do you have them in your pool also? I want them...Not sure how to go about that but I want them... :D
-
Been lurkin'n for years, but can't keep quiet no longer. Mud slingin' and name callin'! Must be an election goin' on around here. I vote for Monk. He has maintained a clean campaign. I thank Monk for giving me the right to say I hope Micah doesn't sell in my part of the country. He came out of the gate cursin' Monk like a sailor. An unprovoked attack, as far as I can tell. His bedside manner leaves a lot to be desired and I can't imagine getting challenged by my dealer on such trivial matters. That dealer does not want repeat business. By the way, we just put on 3-D glasses and tilt our heads back & forth. No problem with warranty and it's really cheap. Everybody's happy. Seriously, my dealer put in the LED with all kinds of effects for $100, but we hardly ever use it. I'd check my warranty and with my dealer first and pass on the light if there was a problem, but I'd be real ticked that I bought that tub from that dealer if I found out that they were raking me over the coals like that. Unless, of course, they could come up with some real explanation of reason for concern about a third party light. But after all, I can buy the same light they do and I can certainly plug it in. Since they tell you how to replace the bulb in the instruction booklet, I assume they have no problem with you actually doing the replacement.
-
Hey Drew, I love the lights in my spa, do you have them in your pool also? I want them...Not sure how to go about that but I want them... :D
Bonnie, my pool is in boxes under my deck. :P it's scheduled to be put up the first week of june, but I'm hopping sooner.
I didn't have a light on my old pool, but I have the dealer installing an Auqalumitaor light for my new one. :) I am looking forward to being up on my deck overlooking my pool and hot tub and having them both lit up.
http://www.inyopools.com/Products/03500015000343.htm
-
Ah HA!!!! CHEAP A**...CHEAP A**!!!! ;)
Careful now, Cleveland ain't that far away.....
;D
-
You have to love a website that caters to the cheap a**. A dealer offers a product for $200 but some idiot thinks he can save a buck and put it in himself. The cheap a** has no clue if it is a 6 pin a 12 pin or a 36 pin led light. The cheap a** also thinks he can just plug it in and it should work. To bad you have to change jumpers and reprogram the settings to make it work.
DON'T BE A CHEAP A**!!!
If you want the lights, go for it. But pay the dealer, not some idiot on e-bay
Sure came across as personal. Still don't see what the big deal over an aftermarket light bulb, from you (the dealer) or ebay is. I've bought chemicals off ebay, the tub didn't know the difference, warranty is still intact.
For the LED bulb to come installed on the tub when delivered, my dealer wanted significantly more than I paid for one I put in myself in just a few minutes.
Coming into the thread at this point trying to say you were alluding to customers comparing 10k spas to 2k spas doesn't quite cover your initial post, it was ignorant.
-
Just got back from plopping our $$ down for an Artesian Piper Glen!!!! We are SOOOOOOOO EXCITED!!!!!!! Can't wait for delivery!
Question about lights......what's the feeling on going with the LED lights? Worth the extra $ or no? My hubby is color blind, so it probably is not going to make much of a difference to him. Wasn't really sure about it all. Was surprised at the almost $200 price tag on it.
Opinions please?! Thanks
Getting back on topic. Congratulations on the Piper Glen. I've had mine for about 6 months now and love it. I did not go for the lights. I seem to remember the led package being more then $200.00, but would most likely not have gone for it either way. It's deffinetly a personal thing. If you think you will use it and enjoy it then go for it. For me it would have been like PiP on the TV. I'd of tried it once or twice and then forgotten it was there. Personally I get more enjoyment from my rubber duck :o
-
... I've bought chemicals off ebay, the tub didn't know the difference, warranty is still intact.
...
OMG ... say it aint so ... you bought chems off of ebay and they worked and you don't have boils? ;) ;D
I think as was said - it all depends on the dealer - if he/she is an a$$ then they'll give you a hard time, if they are good to deal with then it won't matter. If the dealer does turn out to be an a$$, then tell everyone you know to stay away.
I would imagine all products can be had cheaper and the same quality MAY not be there. Also, a cheaper bulb may be good enough for a person where someone else needs the most expensive. This is true in ALL walks of life.
I had mine installed by the factory because it was a 2 for 1 special my dealer was running, I don't know if I would have paid $180 for it by itself but for "free" (or half price depending on how you look at it) it was worth it.
-
This was not a personal atack. It is an atack on what I belive is short sided thinking. If a customer goes into the local spa store and finds a "top of the line" spa that costs 10k, yet that customer "Thinks" that the spa he found for 2k on line is just as good. After all both have hot water and bubbles. Wouldnt everyone on this site tell him its apples and oranges and that he had better due his research.
The same thing applies to someone that thinks they found a deal on a light bulb. We sell those starting at $29.99 all the way up to 399.99. If any one thinks that the $30 light is even close to the 300 dollar version...Well lets just say "cheap a**" sounds about right
In my line of business, it wasn't a personal attack. I've had more guns pointed at my head than I care to think of, THAT is a personal attack. But you did attack my character, and friend, my character is higher than yours ever will be.
It is amazing you have been able to sustain a business with your attitude, but then again, I am sure you wouldn't point your customers to this thread now would you?
So sell all the $400 lights you wish, smart people will look for better ways to spend their money.
I am sure you would NEVER buy anything but the very best and you will always pay full price, right? RIGHT?
Sitting on the tallest horse always has the farthest fall.
Monk
-
The same thing applies to someone that thinks they found a deal on a light bulb. We sell those starting at $29.99 all the way up to 399.99. If any one thinks that the $30 light is even close to the 300 dollar version...Well lets just say "cheap a**" sounds about right
What is the differnce between the $30 light and 300 dollar version?
Are the differences in LED set ups? Originally, I thought the exspensive dealer instlled option might have been dimming LEDS that are alround/throuhout the tub and around it's edge. (as opposed to a single multi colored bulb.) Someone mentioned that there may be a concern on the # of Pins (?).
I think there is difference between someone being ignorant of things (if there is a significant difference between these lights.) In which case I'd think someone would explain those differences, and someone being "dumb"
Also, someone who balks at what initially appears to be a 300% markup on an item is not a cheapass. In fact, if they didn't ask, I would think they were a dumbass.
So I'll ask:
What's the diffefence in these units? Why does a dealer get several hundred dollars for the unit, when it appears to be a realativly inexspensive, easly installed option?
Is this the spa equivielent of rust proofing and undercoating?
???
-
What is the difference in the units? Great question.
I too am struggling with all this LED stuff. Dynabrite for $500? 10 pin for $50, 24 pin for $150?
Mine is a simple LED that changes/cycles through about 6 colors. I don't have a ring of lights around my tub, nor do I have external lights. The simple LED that I have is nice, but there is no way I'd pay $150 (or $500 for it), I think the standard spa light (non-LED) would have sufficed.
We typically keep our light on RED or BLUE (about hlf the time we don't even turn the light on) The other colors are rather bright.
-
Thanks for the info Michah.
Will installing a $30 bulb bought from an online vendor void a warrenty?
8)
-
I am sure you would NEVER buy anything but the very best and you will always pay full price, right? RIGHT?
Monk
Years ago I thought the dewalt drills were overpriced. I purchased 3 sets of Black and Decker cordless drills for my guys. Gazebo installs went from 2 hours to 3. The batterys wouldnt stay charged for a third of the time that the dewalts did. One summer of black and decker and I went right back to dewalts. One of my employees made a comment that I will never forget "BUY CHEEP, BUY TWICE"
I'm also the founding member of C.A.A. (Cheapa** Anonomyous) We have a 13 step program to help rid you of your cheapa** ideas. Come on Monk... I'll be your sponsor ;D
-
Funny, I just bought my dad for his birthday a Dewalt Drill. ;D
(I even bought it off E-bay Oh no!)
I was thinking on getting him a craftsman drill, but didn't want him to void his warrenty on anything he happened to drill with it. ::)
At this point, I'm with Mr Monk. Go with Ebay for $30.
-
I'm also the founding member of C.A.A. (Cheapa** Anonomyous) We have a 13 step program to help rid you of your cheapa** ideas. Come on Monk... I'll be your sponsor ;D
I have a better idea smart guy, why don't you sponsor an American Veteran who doesn't have the money to put food on his table? How about you take a percent of your profits and donate it to the VFW or another organization that has given you the freedom you seem to take for granted.
Why have you failed to answer any of the questions directed your way? Is it because you know you are wrong?
Once again, Do you ever look for a deal or do you always pay full price?
BTW - Do you know what VFW even stands for?
Monk
-
The cheapest version is a 24 pin L.E.D. light. It directs light in a straight line (for the most part)across the spa. You will notice a dark green (or blue or red) spot on the opposite wall.
The next step up is a 36 pin light on an arch. The arch angles the light so you get an even color throughout the spa
The next step is that same 36 pin light with a seperate L.E.D. light for inside of a waterfall. It also comes with a computer board to sync the two units
The Most expensive unit has the 36 pin w arch, Computer operating system, Waterfall lights, and two lights for the outside of the spa. (outside lights are controled w/ photocells and turn on at dusk)
The most expensive system takes about 2.5 man hours to install.
Micah,
Which one is this?
How much would this one cost?
Gecko CoolRays CLS-1
http://www.gecko-electronic.com/a_coolrays.asp
-
Micah,
Just so you know, I am fully done with this subject. I will pray that you nor any member in your family ever have to go what I have to go through on a daily basis. I see things on a daily basis at the VA that breaks my heart.
Perhaps a dose of reality would do you some good. Not everyone can afford the best of things. Yes, maybe I didn't give the best advice, but I have an opinion just as everyone else does. Because it difers with yours does not constitute name calling, or reducing them to an economic class that does not suit yours.
But my recommendation that you donate to an Am Vets organization stands. I extend this to everyone who reads this message. The suffering done by others that allow us all the freedoms we enjoy is a sight most people really couldn't stomach.
God bless you Micah. our opnions may differ, but we each live in the best country in the world, where the expression of those differences can be done without penalty of the Gvt.
Monk
-
When it comes to a pump or a leak, NO! But if a computer board goes out the manufacture is going to ask for a signed affidavit from the repair tech. The afidavit states that the nothing has been altered, (ie adding a stereo, putting in bigger pumps, Putting in higher watt lights ect.ect.) The question is not wether the warranty is vioded or not, but wether your repair tech will lie for you.
This reminds me of the when the auto industry was refusing warrenty work if a customer had thier oil changed at a quick lube place rather than at thier dealership.
:P
-
This reminds me of the when the auto industry was refusing warrenty work if a customer had thier oil changed at a quick lube place rather than at thier dealership.
:P
Import stores may have had that policy, but I dont remember any U.S. auto companies with that policy.
-
This reminds me of the when the auto industry was refusing warrenty work if a customer had thier oil changed at a quick lube place rather than at thier dealership.
:P
And getting those quick lube techs to fill out the affidavits can be a bugger...
-
We like our lights on the tub. I really like turning on the nozzle in the center and then turning on the red lights, then the air bubbler. I call it the lobster pot. As for the subject on cheapa$$es, We all like a good deal. I don't think it has anything to do with your ablity to pay. Or how much money you have. If my tub didn't have lights and needed to be fitted for lights, like the hull being drilled and a bulkhead fitting being put in then I think a dealer should be called. But if it just a matter of changing a bulb then who cares? BTW Tom, thanks for the kit for upgrading my tub. I now can fully control my tub and all its fuctions remotely. Nice when your done tubbing and you add the chemicals and close the top and go in the house and turn off whatever later.
-
I think some folks need to be aware of the "Tie in Sales provision" in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act ::)
"Tie-In Sales" Provisions
Generally, tie-in sales provisions are not allowed. Such a provision would require a purchaser of the warranted product to buy an item or service from a particular company to use with the warranted product in order to be eligible to receive a remedy under the warranty. The following are examples of prohibited tie-in sales provisions.
In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm
-
LED lights are great. Particulary in light colored tubs.
You may want to consider an aftermaket light which are generally less money.
Regards, Zz
-
i need to weigh in on this. when i was looking at the piper those darn lights were over a 1000.00 dollar option as was the stereo. The dealer (litehouse) would only come down to 11800 without the stereo. I offered him 10800 without the stereo he said no. I walked out never to enter that store again. As you know i purchased The XL 1100 Gulf Coast 5395.00 before tax. delivery was 150.00, electrician 285.00. No one should be labeled a cheap a** especially by a dealer some of whom want nothing but to rake you over on the price of everything. I have asked this question before how many artesian dealers would accept 10800 for a 2005 pipe glen w/out the stereo?? No one will give me an answer. No the cheap a** is the dealer. Not all dealers are the same. But none of them will answer my question.
-
I have a queston...Why is Monk listed as a guest? His little monkey is gone and he is listed as a guest. I feel bad that he may have left over this post. >:(This forum was so helpful in so many ways to me and many others.
He just got a tub and probably could use the support of the wonderful dealers and great folks on here who lend support for water issues and EVERYTHING else!
Monk, if you are still reading this, please come back. Everyone is a valued contributer and you have already experienced some of the worst the world has to offer...don't let a few thoughtless comments scare you off! ;)
-
It stands for the people who stand for the United States of America in places most people have never stood! ;)
Do you know what VFW even stands for?
Monk
-
I'm going to say NO. That would probably require modification of the shell. Drilling holes in it. Which would most certainly void your structural warranty. That said, you bought it, it's your spa, do what ever you want to it. It's yours!
Is it possible/practical to
add an LED Waterfall after the fact?
I have a waterfall, but it isn't lighted.
I have the LED underwater light and love it,
now I wished I had ordered the pkge
with the LED Waterfall light.
(Cal Spa SQ92)
-
I would suggest getting a different manufacturer. In my meger 15 years selling Jacuzzi brand hot tubs, weather a US Industries, Sundance or Jacuzzi, I have never seen them deny a warranty claim based on poor water chemistry or because of the addition of an ozone unit that is or was not "Jacuzzi approved."
If I say that what you are recomending will void a warranty, it's because i've seen it happen.
-
re:I'm going to say NO. That would probably require modification of the shell. Drilling holes in it. Which would most certainly void your structural warranty. That said, you bought it, it's your spa, do what ever you want to it. It's yours
Wisoki....thanks for the advice.
I would not be doing anything like that myself.
Hell I have trouble figuring out how to change
my own oil, much less work on a hot tub.
When you say "no"...Does that mean you are
saying it is something a dealer would not even
normally do?
-
Afirmative, weather a dealer or an end user, modification of the shell in any way WILL void the structural and probably surface warranties.
re:I'm going to say NO. That would probably require modification of the shell. Drilling holes in it. Which would most certainly void your structural warranty. That said, you bought it, it's your spa, do what ever you want to it. It's yours
Wisoki....thanks for the advice.
I would not be doing anything like that myself.
Hell I have trouble figuring out how to change
my own oil, much less work on a hot tub.
When you say "no"...Does that mean you are
saying it is something a dealer would not even
normally do?
-
I have a queston...Why is Monk listed as a guest? His little monkey is gone and he is listed as a guest. I feel bad that he may have left over this post. >:(This forum was so helpful in so many ways to me and many others.
He just got a tub and probably could use the support of the wonderful dealers and great folks on here who lend support for water issues and EVERYTHING else!
Monk, if you are still reading this, please come back. Everyone is a valued contributer and you have already experienced some of the worst the world has to offer...don't let a few thoughtless comments scare you off! ;)
Bonnibelle is right Monk, It takes all kinds to make this world what it is, and that is why you and I are here. Just because people say what they think, is no reason to get bent out of shape, or take it as a personal attack one way or the other. Like Steve says, "putting on armor" sometimes helps.
We all say what we think and it is almost certain somone will have a differing point of view. That does not mean they are right or even wrong, but it is their point of view. Some may not have all the information necessary to make a well informed statement. When they voice their opinion, and it is just that, they may think differently when they become better informed or understand the facts, or else they will still think they are right.
On the surface, it is not the cost of a single light, which could be $30 for the fewest LED's, but the number of LED's and what is involved to install or support "the system" electronically, that could certainly have an influence on pricing.
When it come down to it, we are all ignorant about something. Yet we are at liberty to voice our opinion about it. As for this subject, we have seen $ signs ranging from $30 to $1,000, and excuse me IF I do say for a fact, there most certainly are some differences and they have been discussed.
Stick around, we all have bad days. ;D
-
re: Afirmative, weather a dealer or an end user, modification of the shell in any way WILL void the structural and probably surface warranties
Wisoki.....Hey thanks I won't touch it.
But I wish I had ordered that option.
(http://calspas.com/spas/images/exclusive/one_led_waterfall.jpg)
(http://www.izzispas.net/images/200_4colorwaterfall.jpg)
-
Well, hold on now! Do you already have a waterfall?
re: Afirmative, weather a dealer or an end user, modification of the shell in any way WILL void the structural and probably surface warranties
Wisoki.....Hey thanks I won't touch it.
But I wish I had ordered that option.
(http://calspas.com/spas/images/exclusive/one_led_waterfall.jpg)
(http://www.izzispas.net/images/200_4colorwaterfall.jpg)
-
re: Well, hold on now! Do you already have a waterfall?
Wisoki...yes I have a waterfall
I also have an LED underwater light.
But my waterfall is not lighted.
-
OK< that's a horse of a different color. I'm pretty sure you could purchase one of those "pre lit" waterfall fixtures, and swap out the un lit one. It all depends upon the original instalation. To be sure, I would have a chat with the dealer.
re: Well, hold on now! Do you already have a waterfall?
Wisoki...yes I have a waterfall
I also have an LED underwater light.
But my waterfall is not lighted.