Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: cburk0677 on January 19, 2006, 03:43:04 pm
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Hi, I am brand new and am curious to know about the new Hotsprings water maintenance program mentioned by East Tx Spas on this forum.
Is this something new for the 2006 models? Also does anyone know of a good place to look for patio designs? I am wanting to put in a patio this summer and then possibly put a hottub on it late this summer or sometime the following year. From what I have read so far it sounds like the Hotsprings Envoy would be a great tub to have.
Cburk
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Welcome to the board! :)
There is a very nice Patio Planner online program at the HotSpring website that you might find useful.
As far as the water care program, all I can say at this point is that it is revolutionary and has received outstanding results in Beta tests over the last 2 years. All 2005 and newer HotSpring Spas are modified to use it and it should be ready for introduction by mid-year. I'm sorry I can't say more right now.
Terminator
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Thanks for the quick response. I look forward to learning more about the water program and also hottubs in general.
It would be nice to have an easy way to keep the water clear. Maybe it isn't that hard but there are a ton of posts on this forum concerning this issue.
Cburk
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You're welcome. :)
Water care is very simple if you will allow it to be. Most problems I encounter are from people OVERDOSING the spa. It ain't rocket science! ;D
Terminator
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Can this new program be used on the older hotsprings models (1997)?
Thanks!
John
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Can this new program be used on the older hotsprings models (1997)?
Thanks!
John
No sir, Mr. Bear, only on 2005 models and newer. It is pretty hi-tech and required some modifications to accomodate it. I'm sorry.
Terminator
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Okay, thanks for the quick reply East Texas! BTW, Bastrop Texas here..
John
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Okay, thanks for the quick reply East Texas! BTW, Bastrop Texas here..
John
Here's to you, my Lone Star brethren!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/1087172091.jpg)
Terminator
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No sir, Mr. Bear, only on 2005 models and newer. It is pretty hi-tech and required some modifications to accomodate it. I'm sorry.
Terminator
Does it involve lasers?
Please tell me it involves lasers.
I hope it involves lasers.
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It probably has something to do with the little screw inside the filter compartments. I thought it was designed to BaquaSpa, but maybe not.
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Does it involve lasers?
Please tell me it involves lasers.
I hope it involves lasers.
OK, it involves lasers - green light lasers to be exact.
You can soak and get lasik at the same time! ;D
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Term, should I hold off on buying ozone? At least until you reveal the new technology?
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OK, it involves lasers - green light lasers to be exact.
You can soak and get lasik at the same time! ;D
Frickin' lasers! I knew it! cool. ;)
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Term, should I hold off on buying ozone? At least until you reveal the new technology?
Yes, the two systems are not compatible. The ozonator has basically become a commoditiy and that's why it's being included free on the new HS spas. The new water care system is the next evolution and has been in development over 3 years now. I talked to several dealers who have been beta testing the system over the course of 2 years and they say it is fantastic. Just hold tight! :)
Terminator
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So if I were to purchase a HS spa before midyear, I will still be able to add the new system...as long as it's a 2005 or 2006 model? Am I understanding this correctly?
Thanks!
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Let me guess. There's a holder for sanitizer, there's a holder for ph-up and one for ph-down.
Then, the machine does a test with an electric thingie that sees what the water needs, and then dispenses chemicals automatically.
Am I right?
If so, you better hope that machine never becomes self aware (which they always do).
People everywhere could be jumping into vats of acid.
At 102 degrees of course.
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So if I were to purchase a HS spa before midyear, I will still be able to add the new system...as long as it's a 2005 or 2006 model? Am I understanding this correctly?
Thanks!
Yes ma'am, it is all ready to accept the new system. Any '05 model or later.
Terminator
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You're welcome. :)
Water care is very simple if you will allow it to be. Most problems I encounter are from people OVERDOSING the spa. It ain't rocket science! ;D
Terminator
I agree if a person will just stay regular ...once week is just fine for most people....when comes to testing and balancing pH and the like ....it is when people let it go 2, 3 weeks or longer that they run into problems and also you don't really need to tinker with it daily ....keep it regular and get into a routine and it should be easy and simple ....its not tough if you just are consistent with it .....
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Thanks, Term!
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I think I smell frogs. Does anybody else smell frogs? Nature 2 was not invented by HS either, but you'd never guess by swallowing their propaganda. Very dubious am I. Chemistry does not change. Marketing creates an impression, but substance is a different matter.
Bill
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No, no, no.....it's not frogs you're smelling. You have to think on a much bigger technological scale. This is Watkins Mfg. we're talking about, not some small potato podunk outfit. This is something just a little bit neat!:)
Terminator
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I tell ya, it's artificial intelligence being added in the filter compartment.
Is it any surprise that "Terminator" is pushing it?
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I tell ya, it's artificial intelligence being added in the filter compartment.
Is it any surprise that "Terminator" is pushing it?
;D ;D ;D
You will be assimilated.
Terminator
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I think I smell frogs. Does anybody else smell frogs? Nature 2 was not invented by HS either, but you'd never guess by swallowing their propaganda. Very dubious am I. Chemistry does not change. Marketing creates an impression, but substance is a different matter.
Bill
Bill, I think you are on to it. The best marketing track is to make your weakness a strength, in order to do that, you create the "impression" and then let the imagination do the work. It is almost like magic. ;)
In the 80's we used to see filter canister closed and under pressure and they had by-pass springs in them. When the pumps went on high, the "by-pass" would open and allow the water to by-pass the filter for maximum performance at the jet. Otherwise, the filter would represent a reduction to water flow.
Then you have a manufacturer that has a filter on each suction inlet to the pumps and they come up with the ingenious marketing phrase of "100% no by-pass filtration" that becomes a truthful statement. Now, were not concerned with how many filters you have to clean, because we can now put them in the dishwasher.
I think it is amazing as we watch marketing unfold before our very eyes.
This is all about "water management", "water quality" and ozone, which no longer an option as it is included as a standard item. ;)
It is almost like re-inventing the wheel, but calling it a something different, and marketing it as better. I can see how people will believe it.
As we all know, this is not rocket science. Water quality and water management are important issues. And, consumers are very susceptable to creative marketing strategies.
Even children now how to s-p-e-l-l "relief", r-o-l-a-i-d-s. ;D
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I'm thinkig some kind of sustained release system. Something that will eliminate the need to check sanitation levels on a regular basis. :)
Not tablets but something else for granular sanitizers.
Or, I could be just plain wrong ???
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Anoroc and st18901, ya'll are somewhat on the right track.
I'm surprised (well, not really) that some of the folks on here seem to pooh pooh innovation. It takes some thinking outside the box to be the industry leader. That, plus a solid business plan, enormous purchasing power, strategic partnerships, and an eye towards the future that allow companies to be #1 for 20 consecutive years! It's not easy, it takes commitment on the part of a whole lot of like-minded people.
I'm sure once it's implemented, everyone else will follow suit.
Terminator
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Could it be salt water chlorine generation?...just another guess (I know I wouldn't mind installing it on mine).
No pressure, Term, everyone is naturally curious :)
I'm sure there must be some kind of contract signed in blood... ;)
Steve
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Hey Term...Will Caldera also have this available, or just Hot Springs?
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Could it be salt water chlorine generation?...just another guess (I know I wouldn't mind installing it on mine).
No pressure, Term, everyone is naturally curious :)
I'm sure there must be some kind of contract signed in blood... ;)
Steve
No It Is Not Salt. Your maxxus had a salt water generator system in 2000. It was short lived and tried by many others as well. Spa water is a very hostile environment and then you add salt that is corrosive. As we know, this is not rocket science, but it is one of the biggest problems the Hot Tubber must contend with until he get's it right.
Innovation is creative thinking and it makes things happen. Marketing is what sells it. That is no surprise.
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ok, ok...no need to get all worked up about it.
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Innovation is creative thinking and it makes things happen. Marketing is what sells it. That is no surprise.
Yep, capitalism at work. It's the only way to go!
PackerPaul, I'm afraid it will initially be exclusive to HotSpring and will remain so for a while.
SSbraun, think of it more along the lines of a better delivery system for water care. Plug and play arena.
Terminator
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Chlorine based or something else?
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Chlorine based or something else?
Non-chlorine.
Terminator
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Term- did you say non-chlorine...?
Now I am confused and that pretty much poops on my theory.
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Term- did you say non-chlorine...?
Now I am confused and that pretty much poops on my theory.
OK, it is a system based on the natural sanitizing properties of the sun, or more precisely, the sunflower. As most people are aware, the sunflower contains oils that are highly prized for their antiseptic properties as well as anti-microbial inhibitors. The new FlowerPower (TM) Water Care System will allow customers to simply grow their own sanitizers in their garden or they can buy it in concentrated form from their HS dealer or local health food store.
The consumer trends seminar I attended strongly suggested that consumers are wanting Earth-friendly products and this is an attempt to capture this up-til-now untapped market in the spa industry. Just one more example of HotSpring leading the way.
I'm sorry I can't say more at this time.
Terminator
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We recently began beta-testing the FlowerPower (TM) Water Care System in our store and I did a quick online demo for ya'll. It is code named "Bubba Keg" to throw any industrial spies off the trail. Please keep it on the QT. Sorry for the poor picture quality as I am extremely busy today.
Step 1
The "Bubba Keg" Mixing Chamber and raw materials:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC00481.jpg)
Step 2
Add the raw ingredients (fresher is better) to the "Bubba Keg" Mixing Chamber:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC00482.jpg)
Step 3
Connect to FlowerPower Energizing Sub-Atomic Reactor and hit the "GO DADDY" Button. This will atomize the natural sunflower oils to create your sanitizer:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC00483.jpg)
Step 4
Add "Bubba Keg" to filter area. Voila!!! The power of the sun to cleanse your water!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC00484.jpg)
Shhhhhhhhh! Keep it quiet.
Terminator
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Damn, you are good....real good :o
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Damn, you are good....real good :o
Good fer nuthin', but my Momma always told me I was special and pretty.
Terminator
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Good fer nuthin', but my Momma always told me I was special and pretty.
Terminator
Crap, I'm in trouble thats what I always tell my son. :'(
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Crap, I'm in trouble thats what I always tell my son. :'(
Cheer up, maybe he'll never grow up and become a HotSpring salesman and you will be able to buy supplies at a discount.
Terminator
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Term, you are SO BUSTED!! This was NOT supposed to be released to the public yet!
However, now that the cat is outa the bag, I will tell you that you can also use silk sunflowers.
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OKAY now I am calling SUNDANCE AND all the other companies to let them in on this great secret of yours.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLL what a demo term, what a demo.
I have it all figured out, technological advances. It is an antimicrobial agent designed to breakdown the biofilm on the bacteria thereby making it easier to kill and disinfect.
THINK MCFLY THINK!!!!!!!!!!
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Term, you are SO BUSTED!! This was NOT supposed to be released to the public yet!
However, now that the cat is outa the bag, I will tell you that you can also use silk sunflowers.
I told everyone not to tell. I have faith in them.
Terminator
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Well OK then.
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You threw me, Term, when you first said revolutionary and non chlorine. I was thinking outside of the box and hoping for a way to actually get a dissolved ozone residual in hot water and ORP monitoring. Then you said not ozone compatible. This would apply to biguanides since ozone will eat them up. Later, when you said evolutionary and filter compartment, I got back in the box. The filter box to be specific. I think Chris_H, Anoroc, and st18901 are right.
My guess is that it's some sort of biguanide injection into the filter compartment. Of course this would require an oxidizer as well, so you'd have to also have a squirt of hydrogen peroxide, and maybe a little stain and scale or water line control. The trick would be metering the dosage of the various liquids according to spa size and usage. I guess this would make all the baqua and soft soak users happy.
Personally, I'm with Drewstar, I hope it's lasers!
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The Power of the Sunflower to clean your spa.
Pisces, very good deductive reasoning. You're getting closer....
I'm investing my millions in the "Bubba Keg" company.
Terminator
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Good fer nuthin', but my Momma always told me I was special and pretty.
Terminator
term, i sure hope you dont mean special in a helmet wearing capacity??? ;D
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I think its called Auto-Fresh. I saw a sign for it when I slithered into the HS experiance At the Esmerelda Resort this month. I found out about it when I googled 06 HS spas and I was able to download the entire agenda.I loved looking at all the new spas on display. I was only there for an hour but it was awesome!
I think the real reason I went was to test my new 745i
on the back mountain roads into Palm Springs. What a drive!
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Term,
you're a BioGuard guy, right? Is it Mineral Springs??
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Term,
you're a BioGuard guy, right? Is it Mineral Springs??
Not mineral springs, no sir. We sell Bioguard chlorine, bromine, BaquaSpa, Brilliance, HS Freshwater stuff, and SeaMonkey Spa Squirt.
Terminator
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I saw a sign fot it when I slithered into the HS experiance At the Esmerelda Resort this month. I found out about it when I googled 06 HS spas and I was able to download the entire agenda.I loved looking at all the new spas on display. I was only there for an hour but it was awesome!
You sneaky dog, you! But you've been duped. AutoFresh is simply the code word to cover up the Bubba Keg code word that covers up the FlowerPower(TM) Sunflower System.
We have several safeguards to prevent just anyone from walking into one of our secret society meetings. The whole thing was an elaborate ruse to fool you and you alone. The REAL meeting was held at Motel 6 in Fresno! HaHAA!!!
Terminator
Terminator
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Terminator
Terminator
LOL ...even his signature is doublespeak ;D Seems that Term's getting flustered by all the heat ;)...really, though, I am intrigued, and look forward to the unveiling of the real deal!
Steve
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http://www.poolspaliving.com/Shop/Issues/06/Buyersguide/Hotspringspas.asp
mentions the AutoFresh® water care system...
Wonder how it would handle the Bear...
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I am happy to see someone already spilled the beans on this or I would have done it in this post.
Just curious, has Hotspring been able to figure out the off gassing that occurs in the Baqua Spa?
By the way, this feature is optional and will be expensive.
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ChrisH, everything's been fine tuned and ready to roll, just awaiting FDA approval for all states. Some people may feel it is expensive and others will look at it from a standpoint of making ownership that much easier. The unit itself will initially be an expense, but the ability to just plug in a prepackaged cartridge, type in the pH level of the water, the number of gallons, and the weekly usage, and do nothing else for a few months will appeal to many folks.
Terminator
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When I asked my dealer about upgrading an 06 accolade to the new autofresh when it comes out, he said I would need to remove the ozone.
I really liked that ozone smell in my grandee and im wondering if I would be happy without it.
Can I have both?
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Freshwater III and AutoFresh are not compatible.
Terminator
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Nope. The ozone would be removed and can not be used with the system.
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Any news on this system?
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Any news on this system?
I have heard nothing.
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Yup, you can add the system to any 2005 or 2006 model.
Hmm. I don't know if you can add it to the Costco.com model, but I bet so.
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Last I knew it's slated for mid-year (which is what's been said for two years), and probably will come out at about the time they made the changes to the Grandee last year.
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I would not recommend the new system, stick with bromine or chlorine.
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OK, uh, may we know why you recommend against it?
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I would not recommend the new system, stick with bromine or chlorine.
What is the new system?
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I would not recommend the new system, stick with bromine or chlorine.
Okay, so on your 4th post you recommend not using a system that is not even available yet. Just how do you come to this conculsion?
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Any of our HS dealers demo the system out yet? Do you think the hard core dichlor users will want to switch out to a Baqua based system? I'm all for trying something new but there sure is a lot of negative press out there with Baqua.
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Any of our HS dealers demo the system out yet? Do you think the hard core dichlor users will want to switch out to a Baqua based system? I'm all for trying something new but there sure is a lot of negative press out there with Baqua.
I would bet those "hard core" dichlor/ozone/silver users will not switch to the biguanide. I personally don't care for biguanides - that is my personal preference, I know there are plenty who do. Those who like biguanides and want more automation, will at least consider the system.
I asked my dealer about it and he had no idea when the product is going to be available.
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Since Hot Spring does not recommend using biguanides with Tri-X filters, how will they get around that?
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I was using biguanides until last week and now am on dichlor. I'm never going back to biguanides. Depending on your water the biguanides can cause you to get some wicked water lines and build up in your tub. If you have decent water though it might be the answer for easy maintenance.
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I think the thought with the Baqua automation is that it's a safe inlet into chemical feeders on a self-contained unit. Can you imagine the headache of trying automation with liquid chlorine to start?
I think the system is a good idea for dealers and also good for customers who are thrown off by the whole water chemistry game.