Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Anoroc on April 24, 2006, 10:08:51 am
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I know that Drewstar has one of these spas. My questions is can the five directional jets be converted to rotary jets.
How is the power of the jets on this spa. I am not able to wet test at this time.
Do the filters work well?
I know I would have to pay extra for an ozone which would cost me another $300 or I can put in a jed on my own for $105.
Any onwers of this spa please tell me what you think.
I can get this spa for about $7,275
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Sorry to but in, but I just finished reading your other thread with all your problems and thought the dealer agreed to give you full credit on the defective spa. Are you upgrading to a larger one now?
It's monday and I'm still cob-web'd up....only 1 cup java down so far... ;D
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I have been given full credit on what I paid to apply to any spa. I am now considering all options within reason.
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Yes, you can put in the JED unit if you choose. But you will pay about the same over time since you have to replace it sooner. If you look at Delzone you will also save up front but pay down the road as the chambers need to be replace every year.
Yes, the large jets can be converted to spinners. Very easy.
Yes the filters work well, but not as well as a HS. There are bypass arrangements on the one pump, and the other pump does not pull through a filter at all. You will run the pump longer.
This is a good tub - the folks I have sold them to seem to enjoy them.
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anaroc
As you know, I like my spa alot. For the money, I think it's an all aound decent tub. Fun, comforable, a lot of quality bang for the buck. The foot dome is great, 2 cool off seats, a vaireity of jets, open seating, bucket seating. etc....
You must, absolutely wet test this spa. At 350 gallons, some folks felt it was too shallow.
As far as the power and therapy, once again, it's got 2 pumps, (one is a 2 speed). the only way if this if right for you is to sit in it. For me, it's fine. But that is all relative...
My tub has 24 hr circ with ozone. I have had no water probelms and it filters fine. (I use my tub 3 x week) My wife jumps in once a week and about once a month we have company over (4 folks). Maybe if you were to use the tub more than that you might need better filtration?
All I can say if the above sounds good, it's worth a wet test.
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Anoroc, Does this dealer only sell Watkins spas?
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Anoroc, Does this dealer only sell Watkins spas?
Yes, only Watkins spas. HS and Tiger River...
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bummer
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I have been given full credit on what I paid to apply to any spa. I am now considering all options within reason.
Gotcha! Congratulation on the credit..lots of work on your part. For what it's worth, 2 weeks in, we love our Sundance Bahia. Very powerful, modest on the jets but does a super job. W/stereo/cd player and ozone 05 wet floor model was delivered w/cover lifter for $5999.99+tax.
Good luck.
ps...damn...just read the other posts and you are limited to just the two brands. From what drewstar says about his spa, it sounds extremely similar to the Bahia, foot dome, 2 pumps (1 is 2 speed), 360 gallons etc. I'm 6' even, wife is 5'7 and its fine for us. My son is 16 and 6'2...the deepest seat is good for him. Again, good luck.
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Yes, only Watkins spas. HS and Tiger River...
good news. ;)
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good news. ;)
Given the problems Anoroc had, I just meant it would have been nice to have an alternative manufacturer to choose from. Maybe the original decision to buy a Hot Spring was because of an exclusive feature. Maybe the highly touted no bypass filtering. Now, however, there were major problems and if there isnt another Hot Spring within a budget or that fits comfortably, he is forced to pick from a Tiger River line that does by-pass. My point was that if he wanted this to begin with maybe he would have purchased something else to begin with. So... no it may NOT be good news.
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I don't think the problems Anorac had with the first tub were common, and typical of the tub. I think he got a lemon.
So, he could just simpley get what he originally picked out and no harm no foul. He's in a postion of getting what he picked out, or upgrading.
the manufactuer he chose is fine and considered to be the industry standard.
I wouldn't now make this an issue and/or confuse this situation.
He is not being "forced back" , that's just plain ridicolous.
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Given the problems Anoroc had, I just meant it would have been nice to have an alternative manufacturer to choose from. Maybe the original decision to buy a Hot Spring was because of an exclusive feature. Maybe the highly touted no bypass filtering. Now, however, there were major problems and if there isnt another Hot Spring within a budget or that fits comfortably, he is forced to pick from a Tiger River line that does by-pass. My point was that if he wanted this to begin with maybe he would have purchased something else to begin with. So... no it may NOT be good news.
There truly can be a symbiotic relationship between manufacturer and dealer (customer). Do you think Mario (RSM) would have been as strong an advocate for Anoroc if he thought Anoroc would end up exchanging his Jetsetter for another brand?
I don't mean this question to be about Hot Spring or any other manufacturer. More a question about human nature and business.
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I don't think the problems Anorac had with the first tub were common, and typical of the tub. I think he got a lemon.
I agree
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Do you think Mario (RSM) would have been as strong an advocate for Anoroc if he thought Anoroc would end up exchanging his Jetsetter for another brand?
Not a snowball's chance. They would have forced him to keep his lemon. I simply said that it might have been nice to have another choice. it doesnt really matter who the manufacturer is. If you buy a Saturn because it has dent resistant resin doors and then 6 months later the doors peel, it might be nice to have bought it from a dealer that also sells another brand rather than having to pick another Saturn, or a lower end car made by Saturn.
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Not a snowball's chance. They would have forced him to keep his lemon. I simply said that it might have been nice to have another choice. it doesnt really matter who the manufacturer is. If you buy a Saturn because it has dent resistant resin doors and then 6 months later the doors peel, it might be nice to have bought it from a dealer that also sells another brand rather than having to pick another Saturn, or a lower end car made by Saturn.
I understand what you are saying, but I belive in this case it's the manufactuer, not the dealer who is offering the replacement, or upgrade.
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I understand what you are saying, but I belive in this case it's the manufactuer, not the dealer who is offering the replacement, or upgrade.
I would think it was the manufacturer that "suggested" to the dealer to take care of this customer. I used to work for a dealer that carried HS as well as a brand B. Ultimately, it's up to the dealer to satisfy the customer so if their had been another brand, it would not have been up to Watkins which way they went. Most likely Watkins credited the dealer for some amount to "re-stock" the lemon and covered the parts and labor under normal procedures. The way we always did it was that they had a credit to buy any model that was equal or greater in price.
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Anoroc,
Don't get confused with the obvious bias of salesdvl. You have some great choices. The Caspian is great spa. Just make sure you test it. Even though the Envoy is a great spa, I went with a Vanguard. For me, it fit better. Some people choose a Vanguard over an Envoy for the same reason.
Make it simple on yourself, go to the dealer, sit in a number of spas and decide which is most comfortable. If the dealer does not have it wet, ask him to fill it up so you can test it. When you find the one you like, get that one.
I think too many people are trying to influence your decision and this will only cause what I call "analysis paralysis." Get the one you like.
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Anoroc,
Don't get confused with the obvious bias of salesdvl. You have some great choices. The Caspian is great spa. Just make sure you test it. Even though the Envoy is a great spa, I went with a Vanguard. For me, it fit better. Some people choose a Vanguard over an Envoy for the same reason.
Make it simple on yourself, go to the dealer, sit in a number of spas and decide which is most comfortable. If the dealer does not have it wet, ask him to fill it up so you can test it. When you find the one you like, get that one.
I think too many people are trying to influence your decision and this will only cause what I call "analysis paralysis." Get the one you like.
Thanks for the advice. They do not have a capsian in stock to wet test. It looks good on paper though. I am shooting to make a decison this weekend. I plan on wet testing the vanguard this thursday.
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Anoroc,
Don't get confused with the obvious bias of salesdvl. You have some great choices. The Caspian is great spa. Just make sure you test it. Even though the Envoy is a great spa, I went with a Vanguard. For me, it fit better. Some people choose a Vanguard over an Envoy for the same reason.
Make it simple on yourself, go to the dealer, sit in a number of spas and decide which is most comfortable. If the dealer does not have it wet, ask him to fill it up so you can test it. When you find the one you like, get that one.
I think too many people are trying to influence your decision and this will only cause what I call "analysis paralysis." Get the one you like.
Noone is trying to confuse Anoroc. Are you not reading the flow of the conversation?? All I said is that it might have been nice to have another option to choose from. I never said that HS or TR were bad choices. My comments could have been about ANY brand that had been delivered to his house. The only bias is from the koolaid drinkers that Watkins is the ONLY choice.
However, the flip scenario would also illustrate my point. Say he bought a Tiger River originally and IT was the lemon. Now if he was a little hesitant to go back to that brand all he has as a choice is to pay MORE for a Hot Spring. IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE ANOTHER BRAND TO CHOOSE FROM. Might... Maybe...
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Hi,
We have the Tiger River Caspian for 1 1/2 yrs. No problems with the filtering of the water, even though it has only 1 filter. We live in Michigan it gets real cold in the winter electric bills are good. Foot jets are great and seating is good. Matter of fact our friends just bought the same spa after they were in ours. I would recommend the Caspian to anyone. Good Luck, Lynnette :) :) :)
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Thanks Lynette. I haven't completely rules this spa out yet. The biggest thing is that it does not include Ozone. If I upgrade to the ozone package for another $300 than I am close to the cost of the soverign.
Thanks again.
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Thanks Lynette. I haven't completely rules this spa out yet. The biggest thing is that it does not include Ozone. If I upgrade to the ozone package for another $300 than I am close to the cost of the soverign.
Thanks again.
Hmmmm.
They are both similliar sized tubs at about 350 gals each. The Sovereign's offers a lounger with moto, while the Caspain has the foot dome. Both have the corner chairs with what looks like a similliar jet config and I think the Caspain has a bit more seating (since it doesn't have the lounger).
Caspain has 2 pumps, while he Sovereing offers one larger pump.
Sovereign boasts the no bypass filtration, but as we've heard the Caspain filters just fine.
Sounds like a wet test deciscion.
I've re-read your original post, and you stated the Caspain was $7275 without ozone. Hmmmm. I paid that for an 05 with ozone, cover, lifter, steps and crane delivery. You say the ozone will run $300 and put the Caspain at just about $7600? I think thats a tough price point, as for a bit more you are now in Vanguard territory... make em an offer for 7100 with the ozone ;)
I assume the Sovereign has the ozone included?
What ever tub you decide upon, I personally feel the ozone is necessary .
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Whatever you choose, it wouldn't hurt to try to get them to sweeten the deal some.
Remember, on most of the spas you are looking at you are going to incur some additional electrical expenses.
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We wet tested all three this past weekend, Caspian, Soverign and Vanguard. We decided on the Caspian. We just liked the way we sat in it better than the others. Soverign was next because I like the lounger, but I don't like the Moto. I gave up on the lounger and went for the Caspian with the better seating (personal preference) and foot-dome. We also liked the jet placement better in the Caspian.
Our Caspian was offered at $6795 with everything included, including Ozone.
I advise a wet-test and try to get a Caspian wet-test too.