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Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: dswslp on April 06, 2006, 07:48:14 am
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The Gulf Coast is an awesome tub at much less cost. I tested artesian, hot springs, D1, Artic, and royal and for the money Gulf Coast is the Best Deal. Don't let these dealers blanket all low cost tubs as being cheaply built and unreliable. Do your homework. Check out their website their for real. My XL1100 cost 5395 for the full package. The Artesian dealer was trying to rake me for 11800 for the piper without the sound. The Hot Springs sales person was so fake He could'nt get off the company's talking points. I can't believe their training sales people like that. My advice educate yourself. However if your win the lottery and don't care about getting raked go with the piper glen.
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are you kidding me. you are getting a great deal because thats what the tub is worth. You cant even put it in the same class as the tubs you have mentioned.
Oh yeah, no store front with gulf coast. When, not if, but when that tub breaks down let me know how great the warranty covered you and the real costs you spent in repair and the ease and comfort of your service team. Read the posts and listen to the nightmares.
The only raking that I see here is you. Maybe when that tub crashes you will realize that it would have been worth it to purchase a quality product rather than a gulf coast.
Next time you want to advertise for the company try not to make it look so obvious.
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The Gulf Coast is an awesome tub at much less cost. I tested artesian, hot springs, D1, Artic, and royal and for the money Gulf Coast is the Best Deal. Don't let these dealers blanket all low cost tubs as being cheaply built and unreliable. Do your homework. Check out their website their for real. My XL1100 cost 5395 for the full package. The Artesian dealer was trying to rake me for 11800 for the piper without the sound. The Hot Springs sales person was so fake He could'nt get off the company's talking points. I can't believe their training sales people like that. My advice educate yourself. However if your win the lottery and don't care about getting raked go with the piper glen.
This is an obvious sales pitch. Please go away.
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Glad you like your tub, but what you compared it to is ridiculous. You got a $5900 tub that hopefully will give you a great value for the money.
But please....
You got this:
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5413/crap7ut.jpg)
And are trying to compare it to this:
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5229/bmw61ah.jpg)
And don't get me wrong, for the $ Hyundai make a decent car.
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Honey, there's a salesman at the door!
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I don’t think dswslp is a dealer, unless he has spent the last several months misdirecting people to the fact that he is. However, the replies to his post are unfortunately so typical of this board. God forbid someone mentions a low cost brand. I’m sure this board is full of people like me who would not dare mention what brand they own. We know the post will be hijacked by all the dealers and proud owners of higher cost spas, who just know that our spa will most definitely break down, catch fire, or explode within two weeks of delivery. Am I wrong?
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ÊThe ÊHot Springs sales person was so fake He could'nt get off the company's talking points. I can't believe their training sales people like that. Ê
Actually, there are no talking points. How many Hot Spring salespeople did you talk to to arrive at your conclusion.
There are, in fact, different products for different folks. I am sure you got a grreat deal. Whether or not you will be happy with it over time, only time can tell. You are, in fact, comparing apples to bananas. Enjoy.
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I don’t think dswslp is a dealer, unless he has spent the last several months misdirecting people to the fact that he is. However, the replies to his post are unfortunately so typical of this board. God forbid someone mentions a low cost brand. I’m sure this board is full of people like me who would not dare mention what brand they own. We know the post will be hijacked by all the dealers and snotty owners of higher cost spas, who just know that our spa will most definitely break down, catch fire, or explode within two weeks of delivery. Am I wrong?
I disagree. I Think if you own a $5000 spa and tell someone who has a 11,000 spa of know quality that they got "raked" you kind of bring it on yourself, no?
Now an intelligent conversation on options and features for price paid, would be iteresting. But you have to admit, Dswslp post had a touch of attitude? If you feel diferently about the spas discussed, I'd like to hear what you have to offfer, rather than insult the folks that did post.
In my post, I specifically chose those two cars for my analogy, because you could make an argument for quality, style and features on each side, and for price vs value. Unforutnately no one bit.
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Drewstar, i completely agree with you. I don’t think you your post was a slam, and you made a great point. And yes, you can not compare a $5,000 spa to a $10,000 spa. I just don’t like the fact that whenever someone even mentions a low cost brand, the thread gets taken over by people with nothing but negative things to say. I see it happen every time.
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Drewstar, i completely agree with you. I don’t think you your post was a slam, and you made a great point. And yes, you can not compare a $5,000 spa to a $10,000 spa. I just don’t like the fact that whenever someone even mentions a low cost brand, the thread gets taken over by people with nothing but negative things to say. I see it happen every time.
I agree to a point. I wish many of the folks who had a lower priced spa would contribute. (And I think I don't have a high end spa. I think I got top quality for the price paid, but I'm under no illusions that Iam soaking in a Lexus....more like a Honda Accord)
I'd like folks with a lower priced spa to contribute more. What they like and don't like about it and what (if any) problems they have. You bought a used Thermo spa...now many of the folks here trash them for the sales tatics, but very few folks have sad negative things here about the actual quality of the spa. Your experiecne is invaluable, as dollars to donuts, every few months, someone comes in and asks about em. I hope you stick around. 8)
Now one could scroll down to the Freeflow spa topic and there's no bashing there. Not alot of discussion, as I don't think many folks now about them.
YOu also have to keep in mind, In the year I've been here, every once in a while a salesman will come in here bragging about a lower end spa, and they usually don't represent themselves very well. They end up sounding like an informercial with no real dialogue going on.
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This is an obvious sales pitch. Please go away.
I'm watching for that kind of thing and I checked his post history and he appears to me to be an enthusiastic consumer just excited to spread the word. Even to the point of starting its own thread. I'm always watching, or one of my spies are!
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I’m sure this board is full of people like me who would not dare mention what brand they own. Am I wrong?
Yes, in that you might get predictable responses (Hey this is the internet remember?) Not Dare? The last I checked nobody has been harmed by writing or reading anything here. The only way to combat the responses is to still be here a year from now. Don't be afraid to say anything meant in good spirits, and sometimes even I say something out of line (No Chas, examples are not needed) In the last two years I have worked harder on stopping thread Hijacking than about anything else. That is why the Dead Horse category was created. There is limited freedom of speech here and I can't stop people from arguing, but I can make them behave like adults. If you go to a party and say Liberals are ruining this country, you can expect confrontation. The message in question did go a littler further than, "Wow, I love my Gulf Coast" It went the extra step to say Artesian and Hot Springs. That will make many of the dealers, and non-dealers here a little suspicious, and for good reason. In my short time on Hot tub forums, I've seen a lot of adults behave in childish ways pretending to be something they are not.
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In my short time on Hot tub forums, I've seen a lot of adults behave in childish ways pretending to be something they are not.
I've seen the same thing and am abhorred at such behavior. Thank you for making this such a wonderful forum and for weeding out the riff-raff. :)
Chaka Pakuni
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I've seen the same thing and am abhorred at such behavior. Thank you for making this such a wonderful forum and for weeding out the riff-raff. :)
Chaka Pakuni
Nice pic. ;)
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I just helped a person that purchased a gulf coast. he has had it one week and the water is green and slimmy.
When he called the person that sold it to him, they rudely said, "I told you that when you picked it up (from my storage unit), we were done and if you needed any help, don't call me!"
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Finishing my post.
No delivery, no chemical help, no service under warranty.
It is business people and manufacturer's that sell to them in this way that ruins this industry.
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I love these people that LOVE gulf coast,they have never been on this site before.But they love to promote the crummy spa....
I Enjoyed their website saying that they have 24 hour service.....{don't know if thats on their website anymore lol}
The people that want gulf coast go knock yourselfs out.
Their will always be idiots that are promoting their junkkkkkk.JohnnyT
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I love these people that LOVE gulf coast,they have never been on this site before.But they love to promote the crummy spa....
I Enjoyed their website saying that they have 24 hour service.....{don't know if thats on their website anymore lol}
The people that want gulf coast go knock yourselfs out.
Their will always be idiots that are promoting their junkkkkkk.JohnnyT
I bet that makes Gulf Coast owners feel welcome here and very willing to share their experince with their spas
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I bet that makes Gulf Coast owners feel welcome here and very willing to share their experince with their spas
That's just Johnny's subtle touch at work.
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Didn't we have a Gulfcoast factory guy show up months ago, and he couldn't take the heat, so he got out of the kitchen?
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Didn't we have a Gulfcoast factory guy show up months ago, and he couldn't take the heat, so he got out of the kitchen?
He came in expecting to wow us but couldn't stand the heat when he was questioned so he hightailed it out of here. He did confirm the voiding of warranties when people don't send in their registration cards back but he couldn't double talk us into understanding why they do so (beyond the obvious reason to save $$ despite how screwed people would feel that got shafted).
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Yeah, he scooted pretty fast.
I guess he couldn't deal with all the questions we had for him. I think he was epsecially upset that we'd dare question the practice of voiding the warranty if the spa's owner didn't get the return card back to Gulf Coast within a specific time.
Especially when most other spa companies don't require the return of that silly card.
And then he got really mad when was commented that his reasons for requiring that card returned didn't stand up to logic.
For some unknown reason, he didn't like us to ask such things, so he took his dolly and went home.
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I have to agree with the people about the apparent slams on this forum of anybody that buys a "lesser tub" meaning not a 8-10k priced unit. I read this forum a lot but don't reply because I don't need to hear how I bought junk because I didn't spend 10k. I always hear you need a good quality product so it will last. But then you say the dealer is most important so they will stand behind their products when you have problems. This tells me every mfg has some problems at some point. If I feel as good in a 5k tub as I do in a 10k tub will the 10k tub last twice as long? I believe if you take good care and maintain properly most should last a long time. Comparing to cars, some like to make a statement with their ride others like to get from one point to another. Don't get me wrong I enjoy reading the forum but some of the dealers retoric gets old very fast. By the way I looked at several spas including marquis, D1, Hot Springs, Tiger River, Beachcomber, Solana,Sundance, Thermospa, great lakes and others I forget. In the end I bought a Emerald and couldn't be happier.
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I have to agree with the people about the apparent slams on this forum of anybody that buys a "lesser tub" meaning not a 8-10k priced unit. I read this forum a lot but don't reply because I don't need to hear how I bought junk because I didn't spend 10k. I always hear you need a good quality product so it will last. But then you say the dealer is most important so they will stand behind their products when you have problems. This tells me every mfg has some problems at some point. If I feel as good in a 5k tub as I do in a 10k tub will the 10k tub last twice as long? I believe if you take good care and maintain properly most should last a long time. Comparing to cars, some like to make a statement with their ride others like to get from one point to another. Don't get me wrong I enjoy reading the forum but some of the dealers retoric gets old very fast. By the way I looked at several spas including marquis, D1, Hot Springs, Tiger River, Beachcomber, Solana,Sundance, Thermospa, great lakes and others I forget. In the end I bought a Emerald and couldn't be happier.
Well I have to disagree to a large degree. If you look at the opening post you'd see how his rhetoric got us to us too. I'm fine with there being some good bargains out there to choose from (GC or othewise) but don't sell us on how you're getting screwed if you don't go that route. Here are some excerpts that tend to get the crowd going:
"The Gulf Coast is an awesome tub at much less cost."
OK, that's his opinion and that's fine but then it goes on:
"The Artesian dealer was trying to rake me for 11800 for the piper without the sound."
"However if your win the lottery and don't care about getting raked go with the piper glen."
Those kind of statements are what get things going. If he wants to come in and say that for the $$ the GC is a good, great or awesome spa choice then more power to him but some of us don't want to hear the old story of how his spa is the same thing for half the price and the other shopper is getting taken for a ride.
I really don't know Emerald but I've heard some people say they are a good deal and we all hope you're happy. However, if you came here saying "I got the Emerald XYZ spa for $7k and I saved $3k over what the Artesian dealer (or Sundance, Marquis, etc.) was trying to rake me for" then you might find some people not too happy with your approach either.
BTW, did you notice he started a second thread about GC spas? On that one he amended his position a bit and took of some of the over the top crap that got people to get out the torches and start storming the castle. It's amazing how a few changes in wording can effect whether you sound like you have an opinion as to opposed to sounding like someone trying to be an ass.
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aww crap....you mean I have to put the torch away??? :-/
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SPATECH T.U.O,
I agree his post was a little over the top. I don't know if he is a spokesman or just a real happy guy with the deal he got. It does seem sometimes that some deaqlers on here find it hard to believe anyone could be happy with a lesser priced spa. I find that if you believe you got a deal than you did. We all have 20/20 hindsight and maybe in 5-10 years I will look back and say should of spent the 10k. Then again maybe not. Who knows for sure. One thing I do know is that I love having a hot tub.
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SPATECH T.U.O,
I agree his post was a little over the top. I don't know if he is a spokesman or just a real happy guy with the deal he got. It does seem sometimes that some deaqlers on here find it hard to believe anyone could be happy with a lesser priced spa. I find that if you believe you got a deal than you did. We all have 20/20 hindsight and maybe in 5-10 years I will look back and say should of spent the 10k. Then again maybe not. Who knows for sure. One thing I do know is that I love having a hot tub.
I don't think we're really too apart in our thinking.
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I think what really bothers most folks on this and other forums about Gulf Coast is the way they market their spas. In the North East, most GC Spas are sold thru Public Storage Garage Sellers and advertised in the classified sections of newspapers, with tiny ads promising a normally priced $11,000 spa, still in wrapper and available today only for $5300. I have seen the wholesale prices for these tubs and can assure you $5300 is full retail for that XL1100. There is nothing wrong with buying a tub for $5300. All of the brands mentioned by this poster, Hot Springs, Artesian and Dimension One offer spas in the $5300 price range. And they are sold everyday at that price, with no fake 1/2 priced selling techniques. What is wrong with this picture is comparing it to a Artesian Piper Glen, Hot Springs or Dimension One and telling people it is the same, for 1/2 the price. I think the Hyundai vs. BMW 700 Series comparison was fairly accurate. GC just started making their own spas 3 months ago, after terminating its private labeling agreement with Hydro Spas, the long time maker of GC Spas. So time will tell just how good these new spas really are.
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you guys are alittle thick. i think my point was if i had all the money in the world i'd buy the piper. but have any of you seen the XL 1100?? it is alot of tub for the money. NJDave Would you sell an 05 piper for 10000 to 10500?
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you guys are alittle thick.
We can't all be as brilliant as yourself.
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It does seem sometimes that some deaqlers on here find it hard to believe anyone could be happy with a lesser priced spa.
I think it is mostly because some drink the the kool aide and and others have blinders on causing them to loose their objective point of view. ;D
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and then there are the people that truly believe in what they sell/own because of their positive experiences with the product/people behind it.....
So much for the blinders and kool-aid huh?
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My take on the whole thing is that I'm glad you like your spa, I'm glad you found the right one for you and your budget, I hope it gives you a great deal of enjoyment and pleasure with few headaches, and there's no way anyone will convince me in a lifetime that it is equal in any way, shape, fashion, or form to the spas my customers buy. I sure don't think anyone should make fun of your choice, however. That's just rude.
Terminator
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I think the whole "every spa is the same, so if you paid $8-$10k you got ripped off" is the problem here.
As most of you know I am a Sundance dealer with plenty of tubs over $8k, I also carry Great Lakes without a spa over $7500. For that matter I have a couple of the DelSol spas left that I have at $3500.
Are the customers that buy a Sundance getting ripped off? NO!
Are the customers that buy a Great Lakes or a DelSol getting a piece of crap ? NO!
The prices reflect a variety of things including features, warranty, quality of materials, R & D, etc.
I know I've said this before (with mixed results ;D)
ALL SPAS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL
The problem arise when dishonest people represent their $5000 worth of tub as an equal to the $9000 tubs.
That being said, will a $3500 DelSol make hot water and blow it around? Sure it will, but it ain't an Optima!!
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and then there are the people that truly believe in what they sell/own because of their positive experiences with the product/people behind it.....
So much for the blinders and kool-aid huh?
It's not the "believeing in what they sell" that bothers people. It's the arrogance that rubs the wrong way. I believe in my product very well. I believe that L.A. Spas makes a very high quality spa. I believe that other manufacturers do too. The difference is that most of us can give advice without a back-handed- sarcastic comment.
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Maybe I'm not as thin-skinned as some folks but I sure don't see any bashing going on or folks succumbing to Kool-aid. So some people buy a cheaper spa, whoop-de-doo! It's their money and their lives. I just don't see anywhere that anyone's being belittled. If someone's feelings are getting hurt by words on the internet, maybe they need to go over to whatsthebest-manpanties.com.
It's a discussion forum: not everyone's going to agree, not everyone's going to buy the spa you think they should, not everyone's going to get along like Abbott and Costello. Make the most of the opportunities on this forum, state your case, prepare to back up your claims, and have fun on here. :)
Merry Christmas!
Terminator
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point made.
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I am not anoyed at Gulf coast inc but the people that sell them.They sell out of a warehouse ,Storage areas and tell yea that they are passing the savings on to you.(Maybe they are better off selling on ebay}
First I don't beleave most of the people that have bought one and then comes online and tells us what great spas they are?
I would beleave if someone has been on this website in the past and then if they buy a gulf coast fine but the people that throw it is our faces and say how great they are,I am sure they are all Gulf Coast Salespeople.........
If I remember there was a picture about 8 months ago showing where gulf coast is built.
Showing that spas thrown all over the place outside and with the weeds around the fence.Looked like a landfill....JT