Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Chris_M on March 04, 2006, 09:06:04 pm
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Thinking of upgrading to a new Hot Tub, mine is old, not well insulated, came with the house 5 yrs ago.
I've been looking at the Jacuzzi or Sundance, Cayman model, and the Hot Springs Vanguard. Both 05 models, marked down, but still $2k difference. Either would be a huge improvement over what I have (but still works).
Should I just insulate the old unit better, or break down and upgrade?
Thanks for your help ???
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UPGRADE!!!! I had an older tub and the heater went out on it - considered having it repaired (again!) - then went into a couple new spa showrooms, started reading forums like this... and then... I bought a Marquis Quest spa - and I am VERY glad I did.
Like anything - the technology keeps evolving - what was a good spa 8-10 years ago is a dinosaur today. By the same token - what is the "best" today will be surpassed eventually. When you shop you have to balance what you are willing to spend / can spend against what you really really want / need from a spa. In the long run - you won't regret upgrading. You will USE a new spa far more than the older / outdated model. That in itself makes it worthwhile.
I was impressed by all the "bells and whistles" available on todays luxury class spas - but I had a space issue that limited my selections - and in the long run I am glad that it did. I got a spa that fits my needs, makes me very happy and didn't break the bank in the process.
Happy hunting! And be sure to wet test - you will be glad you did!
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Thanks, I am really looking forward(hopefully) to a new spa. Which do you think is a better buy? Sundance for $5600 or Hot Springs for $7200
Is the Hot Springs That much better?
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go to the spa stores and sit in each of them....even without water, you may find out if one's got seating that's uncomfortable for you...some seats are confining, too shallow, too deep....and be sure that the footwell is roomy enough for however many people you plan to have in the tub....
You may find on your own that the price isn't the deciding factor, but the comfort level for your posterior.
Best of luck!
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You are asking a question that is impossible to answer. Price is really just one area of your decision here. I would agree that you should get in and try them for fit. You are looking at two very popular and well built tubs. I cant remember, but is the caymen the same as the optima but with a lounger???
compare your options and needs and you will be able to answer that question. I dont think that you would go wrong with either one.
(http://www.hotspring.com/Spa_Showroom_Hot_Tub/jpgs/vanguard_pearl.jpg)
(http://sundancespas.com/2005Images/700Series/CaymanBig.jpg)
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I'd really recommend sitting in both with water. For one thing, the HS "moto massage" is very unique, and feels very different than any jets I have ever felt. I'm not personally a fan of it, but there are those who LOVE it.
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I'd buy the bottom coppery one. Nice sheet!
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You are asking a question that is impossible to answer. Price is really just one area of your decision here. I would agree that you should get in and try them for fit. You are looking at two very popular and well built tubs. I cant remember, but is the caymen the same as the optima but with a lounger???
compare your options and needs and you will be able to answer that question. I dont think that you would go wrong with either one.
(http://www.hotspring.com/Spa_Showroom_Hot_Tub/jpgs/vanguard_pearl.jpg)
(http://sundancespas.com/2005Images/800Series/CameoBig.jpg)
That looks like a Cameo. The Cayman is in the 700 series, thus the price differential. It is their value series and would be priced more like Tiger River. If the Cayman is what you are looking for, then it is worth saving the bucks. If you like all the bells and whistles, you have to look at the 800 series which will be closer to the Vangard. The only way to know is to try them all.
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your right tony, sorry I copied the wrong link.
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I edited my post
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I edited my post
That looks more like it. Now you can see the price difference. ;)
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The more direct comparison between the Hotspring Vanguard is the Sundance Majesta. Both should be priced around $8,000 - $8,500.
The more direct comparison of the Sundance Caymen is the Tiger River Bengal. Both should be priced under $6,000.
On a side note, change your name. There is only one Chris allowed on this forum.
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go to the spa stores and sit in each of them....even without water, you may find out if one's got seating that's uncomfortable for you...some seats are confining, too shallow, too deep....and be sure that the footwell is roomy enough for however many people you plan to have in the tub....
You may find on your own that the price isn't the deciding factor, but the comfort level for your posterior.
Best of luck!
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I have to disagree with this. Ms Tattooed Lady, with all due respect, you've been promoting dry testing over the past few days and I feel you are misleading other shoppers.
Dry sitting might, and I underscore might give one an idea of how deep the tub is, and it's overall size, but only an idea.
Buoyancies make the experience completely, 100%, totally different. Once the jets are on, forget it. It is a completely different tub.
I know you are trying to help, but I implore you, please stop encouraging others to dry test and giving them the impression this is a valid method of understanding how the tub will actually feel. It is not. This is poor advice. You are giving advice to others under the guise of knowledge. Please, at the very least, please wait until you have at least sat in your tub full of water and experienced before pontificating to others about wet and dry testing.
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Mr Burns.........I was thinking the same thing and agree with you 100% And was glad you said it before I did.
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Mr Burns, you've really had it in for me since I mentioned that the Great Lakes dealer up the road had lousy attitude toward paying customers, and vented about the issues I had there. I don't care if you throw hot water in a tub, if you have several people in the tub with long legs, you'd better have enough room to make everyone comfortable. Same as the width of the seats...if they're meant for small bodies, then I doubt that some of the "larger" people around would be comfortable in them....
I've taken things that are logical to me, advice from people who know better than I, and what I've found in the past (guess what? I've sat in tubs with water in them, just not my own, and not recently) to offer advice.
But, apparently I've managed to offend you with my offering words of encouragement to other people on the forum, so I'll just let YOU tell it "like it is", and I'll sit and watch.
Thank you, Mr Burns, for showing me the error of my ways. Be sure to let everyone know that there is NO VALUE IN DRY TESTING, because you say it is so, and that alone must make it true.
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Mr Burns, you've really had it in for me since I mentioned that the Great Lakes dealer up the road had lousy attitude toward paying customers, and vented about the issues I had there. I don't care if you throw hot water in a tub, if you have several people in the tub with long legs, you'd better have enough room to make everyone comfortable. Same as the width of the seats...if they're meant for small bodies, then I doubt that some of the "larger" people around would be comfortable in them....
I've taken things that are logical to me, advice from people who know better than I, and what I've found in the past (guess what? I've sat in tubs with water in them, just not my own, and not recently) to offer advice.
But, apparently I've managed to offend you with my offering words of encouragement to other people on the forum, so I'll just let YOU tell it "like it is", and I'll sit and watch.
Thank you, Mr Burns, for showing me the error of my ways. Be sure to let everyone know that there is NO VALUE IN DRY TESTING, because you say it is so, and that alone must make it true.
Please, do not get me wrong, your participation in the forum is commendable. You are very enthusiastic about your upcoming purchase as well as helping others. That is a fantastic attitude. I believe healthy participation is the main stay of these message forums.
That being said, I am truly amazed by your posts. It is as if you have purposely taken the very fundamental and basic advice this community advocates, and with gleeful abandon completely and utterly ignored it.
Not to point this out would tarnish the credibility of this forum and possibly mislead other first time buyers.
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A dry test is a good FIRST step to give you an idea whether the spa is "about" the right depth and that the seats are wide enough. Sometimes you'll be able to skip a wet test because the dry test ruled it out before the need to put a suit on. However, in the end a wet test is key to be sure you truly fit the spa well when buoyant and that it feels right for you.
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Thanks all for your help, I was not offended by any advice here. I did both dry and wet and ended up getting the Hot Springs Vanguard. The sales poeple at this dealer were much more knowledgable and MUCH nicer. The other dealer misled me by saying the Sundance Cayman had a 5 yr warranty, when in fact the 700 series only gets 3 yr.
I,for one, very much enjoyed the Moto-Massage of the Hot Springs. Felt like my own personal massuese (sp), might have to give her a name!
$7200 delivered seems very fair also.
Thanks again,
Chris M
Sorry Chris H, there two now!
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Thanks all for your help, I was not offended by any advice here. I did both dry and wet and ended up getting the Hot Springs Vanguard. The sales poeple at this dealer were much more knowledgable and MUCH nicer. The other dealer misled me by saying the Sundance Cayman had a 5 yr warranty, when in fact the 700 series only gets 3 yr.
I,for one, very much enjoyed the Moto-Massage of the Hot Springs. Felt like my own personal massuese (sp), might have to give her a name!
$7200 delivered seems very fair also.
Thanks again,
Chris M
Sorry Chris H, there two now!
Congrats Chris M. Sometimes there can be a bit of bickering here but the site will be very helpful to you so stick around. If you think deciding what spa to own signals the end of your journey, think again. You may have questions on the run up to getting your spa delivered, operational, etc. While your dealer certainly can help you'll find this site an excellent source to tap relative to whatever issues, ideas, concerns and questions you have as many of us have already traveled that road.
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Thanks Superman,delivery is scheduled for Thurs morn, and the electrician will be here as well. So far, pretty smooth. I'll just have to spend some time with the manual to learn which controls control which jets. Went from 9 to 32 jets, do you think I'll notice a difference???? Just kidding
Thanks again
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Thanks all for your help, I was not offended by any advice here. I did both dry and wet and ended up getting the Hot Springs Vanguard. The sales poeple at this dealer were much more knowledgable and MUCH nicer. The other dealer misled me by saying the Sundance Cayman had a 5 yr warranty, when in fact the 700 series only gets 3 yr.
I,for one, very much enjoyed the Moto-Massage of the Hot Springs. Felt like my own personal massuese (sp), might have to give her a name!
$7200 delivered seems very fair also.
Thanks again,
Chris M
Sorry Chris H, there two now!
Congrats on your purchase. The Vanguard is truely a wonderful spa. Matching it up to the Cayman is really apples to oranges.
One thing that needs clarifying. The Cayman (700 series) does come with a full 5-7-10 year warranty. Whoever said it came with a three is incorrect. SD upgraded the warranty a couple of years ago.