Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: bosco0633 on February 23, 2006, 12:40:53 pm
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so if the breakers were tripped on the arctic to jack the temp up to 107, it will reset when you shut the unit down for a refill.
So I have been in 104 max, which tends to drop a few degrees in the cold water since my last water change.
I just realized that if you hold the temp up button for 5 seconds, it allows the tub to go up to 107 again. this is great!!!
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so if the breakers were tripped on the arctic to jack the temp up to 107, it will reset when you shut the unit down for a refill.
So I have been in 104 max, which tends to drop a few degrees in the cold water since my last water change.
I just realized that if you hold the temp up button for 5 seconds, it allows the tub to go up to 107 again. this is great!!!
107 ? holy cow! What's the weather like were you are at? I had friends in my tub the other day (28 degrees outside, no wind) and had the temp at 101 and after 20 minutes folks were complaing it was too hot. How long do you soak at 107? Have you ever verified with another thermometer that the water temp = what the display says? i'd be comatose at 107. (Althought, I must admit some folks argue my conciousness at room temp) ::)
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At 104, I spend 30 min to 1 hr at a time. The problem is that temps drop about 2 to 3 degrees during this time in the cold. I like 104, so 107 keeps me on par for quite sometime.
When I first started going in the tub, 98 would make me dizzy with a headache. Now 104 is like a warm bath. I love it as hot as I can get it now.
The other thing is that I hate the jets coming on at night. I like sitting quiet and relaxing. I find on the really cold nights this effects the temp a little more without running the jets to heat up tub.
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At 104, I spend 30 min to 1 hr at a time. The problem is that temps drop about 2 to 3 degrees during this time in the cold. I like 104, so 107 keeps me on par for quite sometime.
When I first started going in the tub, 98 would make me dizzy with a headache. Now 104 is like a warm bath. I love it as hot as I can get it now.
The other thing is that I hate the jets coming on at night. I like sitting quiet and relaxing. I find on the really cold nights this effects the temp a little more without running the jets to heat up tub.
You know, if I was a trouble maker, I'd say this is one advantage of a ff spa with 24 hr circ pump. But I'm not a trouble maker. ::) So I wont say my ff keeps the tub hot without overcompensating , and it's nice and quiet. 8)
Funny, when I first got my tub, I liked it about 102, but I am finding lately a nice 99 degrees is prefered. My favorite seat has changed too, from a deep seat to the bench seat. :)
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Man, I couldn't imagine being in a tub that hot. I passed out getting out the tub last night (45 minutes at 101). Lucky for me, my husband was there to catch me... unlucky for him my elbow smashed his package. :-/
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Man, I couldn't imagine being in a tub that hot. I passed out getting out the tub last night (45 minutes at 101). Lucky for me, my husband was there to catch me... unlucky for him my elbow smashed his package. :-/
just tell him it was your subtle way of commenting on his choice of automobiles ;) :D ;D soory brook, had to say it....dont hate me :-[
sorry to hear ya passed out. sure hubby didnt slip ya a micky???
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You know, if I was a trouble maker, I'd say this is one advantage of a ff spa with 24 hr circ pump. But I'm not a trouble maker. ::) So I wont say my ff keeps the tub hot without overcompensating , and it's nice and quiet. 8)
drewmeister,
At the risk of joining you as a troublemaker, I don't think there's 1 ounce of difference between ff and tp when the cover is open as in bosco's case. But I do agree that the 24 hr. circ pump is certainly quieter when heating is necessary. Now we are both troublemakers... ;)
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That is danged hot! Some snot-nosed little kid turned all my HotSpring Spas up to 108 while I was talking to his parents. After work, I went outside and hopped into the Grandee and burnt my biscuits! I don't know why our spas go up that hot but it's too bloomin' hot for me.
Terminator
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Well Terminator at least you didnt hard boil your giblets...
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the owners manual (PDF form from online) states that the HS will go up to 106......sounds PLENTY hot to me.....but 108? UGH...then again, someday I might decide that "I like it HOT", but that's to be determined....
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Being that there a margin for accuracy with these .....I would drop in a stand alone thermometer ......I hate to be the skeptic but ....that is HOT...... ;)
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Well, I'm keeping my trouble maker hat on. ::). My personal opinon is I think the water in a TP tub loses heat faster than a FF tub. On severely cold nights this become very noticable. After all , you are relying on the heater and pumps to keep the water and the cabinet warm. And unless the cabinets is truley airtight , heat will wick out/cold air will seep in. I belive that on fridgid night, this becomes more noticiabel. I get the impression that one must compensate for this by turning up the heater. I have no facts to back this up, and it's only my opinon, , but that has never stopped me before ::)
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What's the best BBQue grill on the market? ;D
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Bosco,
Do others who use your tub also find that the 104 temp setting is warm enough or do they too prefer to kick up to 107?
Does your tub have air injectors? If so, how often and how long do you use them?
I am amazed that one can truley sit in 107 degree water for any leaght of time and be comforatbale, but you maybe the exception. :)
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Well, I'm keeping my trouble maker hat on. ::). My personal opinon is I think the water in a TP tub loses heat faster than a FF tub. On severely cold nights this become very noticable. After all , you are relying on the heater and pumps to keep the water and the cabinet warm. And unless the cabinets is truley airtight , heat will wick out/cold air will seep in. I belive that on fridgid night, this becomes more noticiabel. I get the impression that one must compensate for this by turning up the heater. I have no facts to back this up, and it's only my opinon, , but that has never stopped me before ::)
Let me make sure I understand exactly what you mean.....
When the cover is off, as is the case with Bosco's original post, you believe heat loss is significantly greater with tp than ff spas?
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Let me make sure I understand exactly what you mean.....
When the cover is off, as is the case with Bosco's original post, you believe heat loss is significantly greater with tp than ff spas?
Yes.
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Let me make sure I understand exactly what you mean.....
When the cover is off, as is the case with Bosco's original post, you believe heat loss is significantly greater with tp than ff spas?
OK, I'll join in, I believe that a TP tub will lose more heat than a FF with everything off (sitting in the tub without pumps on) but the TP will use less heater energy when pumps are on.
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Hey Bosco - How did you get your Arctic Spa up that high, did you remove or add jumpers, or simply hold the temp up botton for a longer (than normal) period of time?
I wanna try that...
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Well, drewstar and Vinny, here's where I disagree with both. In severely cold temps, as suggested by Bosco, I believe that whatever heat loss differences there may be between ff and tp would be trivial and insignificant compared to the heat lost directly from the water when the cover is off. I also believe that Vinny's case could be made when temps are more temperate but not under the severe conditions mentioned by bosco. If bosco's heater can't keep up with the cover off in those conditions, then ff/tp doesn't matter at all. Please forward my troublemaker club card immediately.... 8)
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Well, drewstar and Vinny, here's where I disagree with both. In severely cold temps, as suggested by Bosco, I believe that whatever heat loss differences there may be between ff and tp would be trivial and insignificant compared to the heat lost directly from the water when the cover is off. I also believe that Vinny's case could be made when temps are more temperate but not under the severe conditions mentioned by bosco. If bosco's heater can't keep up with the cover off in those conditions, then ff/tp doesn't matter at all. Please forward my troublemaker club card immediately.... 8)
Your trouble maker card is in the mail (along with an invoice for yearly membership dues). ;D 8)
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WSD,
I have to repectfully disagree with you. Somewhere in the laws of thermodynamics it states that a warm body will give off it's heat to warm a cold body.
If you have a 108 tub and the cavity is cooling down then the tub will lose it's heat faster. But that's in a static world, the real world is that the pump that circulates the water to the heater and all the pumps for that matter would generate heat. Actually the plumbing and heater housing would give off heat to warm the area.
I don't think that anyone pulls the plug on their tub then sits in it!
I want that trouble maker card too!
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I want that trouble maker card too!
I nominate the Terminator to photoshop some Trouble maker cards. I want to use one as a profile pic. ;D
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couldn't something like this be assisted or closer to proven with some home-made models?
What say...take 2 five gallon buckets.....and using something like "Great Stuff" foam insulation make one into a ff model, the other into a tp...line the outside with whatever you want to keep the idea of tp/ff accurate. Then, fill both with water at the designated temperature, put them outside in the cold, and keep watch. Check the temperature in each every five, ten or fifteen minutes, and see what the results are.
If they are identical size containers, as they would be, both being 5 gallon buckets.....this little 'experiment' should give an idea which keeps the heat in better, with no cover on, no jets on, heater off, etc.....take it down 10 or 15 degrees on that experiment......then how about trying an experiment with a cover on? Do the same thing, only have an insulated type cover on the buckets.
Anyone have a kid going to science fair soon? This might be worthy of some serious research...especially if any of the judges have wondered about ff vs tp.....
Now, then....where do I sign up for my troublemaker card? Is it laminated in case it gets dropped in the tub?
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Ya'll beat all I ever saw the way you fuss and fight over toilet paper vs french fries! ;D
Rarely is it a topic that is addressed during the spa presentation, at least around here. I'm sure in the frigid northern climates it is of more concern. And in no way am I saying it's not important, it just cracks me up that it goes on and on and on.........infinitum. ;D
Terminator
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Term, to be HONEST with you.....I don't know that it'll make that much difference, anyhow.....but then, it might....who knows. All I know is that COLD to a Texan is below 55, while COLD to a Wisconsinite is about -15.....so in that difference, the tables may change....I even heard that some southerners came into the HS dealer up here looking to replace their tub cover...when shown the covers we use locally (something like 4 1/2" - 2 1/2" foam), their eyes bugged out and they asked WHAT WAS THAT???? I guess they wanted just a little "sheet" type cover..... *lol* go figure.
But then....that ties into the following (it really doesn't but I thought this cute...)
"My sister-in law is from Oklahoma and has a slight accent. She has cats and when she lived in the south she would take them to the groomers and have what is called a Line Cut. To her a line cut is when all of the fur hanging down below the cat's tummy is taken off (because it gets matted or snarled).
When she moved to Chicago with my brother, one of the cats fur got all tangled up during the move so she took it in for a line cut. She was quite surprised when she heard the price as it was twice as much as it was down south. She confirmed with the groomer that he understood what a line cut was and he said "yes, I know what a LION cut is." It seems her accent came out sounding like LION not LINE and this is how her cat was returned to her. (see PHOTOS) She cried for a week...but not as much as the cat.
It was November in Chicago and the cat needed all the fur it had."
Gas in car to go to groomers $4.50
Cat car carrier $32.99
Grooming fee $80.00
Getting the look from one seriously pissed off cat ... Priceless! "
(http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/Z/3/lioncut1.jpg)
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Mrs. Lady, please don't misunderstand me. I am a FIRM believer in the advantages of french fries over toilet paper and I do realize the importance of it, it just cracks me up the way everyone argues over it, here and on other forums.
If I were an average ordinary spa shopper, I'd think most of the folks on here were nuts, myself included.
Terminator
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sorry, I was at work all day. My tub usually sits at 104 which is plenty hot. Most people that use my tub like it at 101 102. 104 gets to them. Let me stress to you drewster, 104 drops about 2 degrees over 1.5 to 2 hours of use. That is pretty good. so honestly, I think your theory is not accurate. That is also considering that I do not have anything running.
When I have the jets going, the tub stays 104 and usually goes up to 105 within a 20 min run of the jets on.
I do have air whatever on the tub, and I keep it low for winter time.
Maybe this will help clear this up. When I am in the tub with jets running, I cant handle the tub temp at 104, I get dizzy and sick after like 20 min.
For some reason, when i sit in the water with nothing running, the heat does not phase me. I can sit in it forever. So 107 to me is awsome when I dont want the jets on. I love the feeling of the hot water. Same as shower, the wife hates that I can shower with the knob all the way to the hot after a few minutes of getting use to it.
Drewster, you hat is on, and I do think that your theory is wrong. anyone will get heat loss when in use in -20 or lower. 2 degrees over almost two hours is pretty good heat loss in my opinion.
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bosco, that's the same thing I noticed a long time ago when sitting in a tub of hot water...it's fine until you move, then it seems hotter....I'm not sure what it's called other than "hot water feels hotter when it's in motion", but it's weird.... ???
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sorry, I was at work all day. My tub usually sits at 104 which is plenty hot. Most people that use my tub like it at 101 102. 104 gets to them. Let me stress to you drewster, 104 drops about 2 degrees over 1.5 to 2 hours of use. That is pretty good. so honestly, I think your theory is not accurate. That is also considering that I do not have anything running.
When I have the jets going, the tub stays 104 and usually goes up to 105 within a 20 min run of the jets on.
I do have air whatever on the tub, and I keep it low for winter time.
Maybe this will help clear this up. When I am in the tub with jets running, I cant handle the tub temp at 104, I get dizzy and sick after like 20 min.
For some reason, when i sit in the water with nothing running, the heat does not phase me. I can sit in it forever. So 107 to me is awsome when I dont want the jets on. I love the feeling of the hot water. Same as shower, the wife hates that I can shower with the knob all the way to the hot after a few minutes of getting use to it.
Drewster, you hat is on, and I do think that your theory is wrong. anyone will get heat loss when in use in -20 or lower. 2 degrees over almost two hours is pretty good heat loss in my opinion.
Well I see the BooBirds quieted after you elaborated. While we only have gotten to 0-5F here, I have yet to have a time when I've lost temp. But then again, the jets are always on when I'm in the tub. Since I have three pumps, the heater won't run if all three are on. Yet amazingly my temp holds.
I tried the hold the temp up button down trick. No dice. Your jumpers may be set "wrong".
I've got mine to 106, but I had to run all three pumps with the cover closed to get there since the heater won't do it. 106 is....ummm....quite toasty. I turned the blower on shortly thereafter to cool the water back down.
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sorry, I was at work all day. My tub usually sits at 104 which is plenty hot. Most people that use my tub like it at 101 102. 104 gets to them. Let me stress to you drewster, 104 drops about 2 degrees over 1.5 to 2 hours of use. That is pretty good. so honestly, I think your theory is not accurate. That is also considering that I do not have anything running.
When I have the jets going, the tub stays 104 and usually goes up to 105 within a 20 min run of the jets on.
I do have air whatever on the tub, and I keep it low for winter time.
Maybe this will help clear this up. When I am in the tub with jets running, I cant handle the tub temp at 104, I get dizzy and sick after like 20 min.
For some reason, when i sit in the water with nothing running, the heat does not phase me. I can sit in it forever. So 107 to me is awsome when I dont want the jets on. I love the feeling of the hot water. Same as shower, the wife hates that I can shower with the knob all the way to the hot after a few minutes of getting use to it.
Drewster, you hat is on, and I do think that your theory is wrong. anyone will get heat loss when in use in -20 or lower. 2 degrees over almost two hours is pretty good heat loss in my opinion.
That's fine Bosco. I wasn't trying to turn this into a French Fry or toilet paper debate...I was just thinking outloud. Who knew you were some super freak that cold handle 107 water? ;)
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bosco, that's the same thing I noticed a long time ago when sitting in a tub of hot water...it's fine until you move, then it seems hotter....I'm not sure what it's called other than "hot water feels hotter when it's in motion", but it's weird.... ???
It's called stratification......you get a thin layer of water near your skin that cools closer to your body's temp.....when you move, you displace it and you get hot water next to your skin again.
like ice on a warm day.....if you put a fan on it it will melt more quickly.....without a breeze, the ice cools a little layer of air around it....turn on a fan to keep blowing the cool insulating layer away and it will melt much faster.