Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: pallison74 on December 31, 2005, 04:07:30 pm
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Today I wet-tested the Marquis Epic as well as the HS Envoy. I can definetly say that I prefered the Epic, feeling that the hydrotherapy was better. The problem is the price. I walked in expecting to pay around $9200 with the usual extras (the average of what others here have paid), and was suprised to be quoted a take it or leave it price of $11,200.00. When I told her what everyone else was paying, she said there was a several thousand dollar price increase for 2006, to wich I told her good luck selling these at that price.
Yea I know, prices differ by area, but I think this is rediculus, especially since I was quoted $8100 from the other dealer on the Envoy (with all the usual extras), which I know is a very competative price (tells me that pricing in my area is not out of wack).
What do others think about this price, for reference I am in the Raleigh, NC area. I feel that if I am going to enter the $11,000 price point I can probably get a much better spa than the Marquis Epic.
Thanks for any advice!
Paul
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I paid $10,000.00 for my Artesian Piper Glen. I live in the Charlotte area. Charlotte and Raleigh are both growing areas with a lot of money floating around. Naturally this means prices will be high on luxury items. A several thousand dollar price increase (from the mfg) sounds like a stretch. My bet id that the dealership believes that the $11,200.00 is what the market will bear. Unless you really like the Epic $3000.00 more then the Envoy, I'd be going with the HS.
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I bought an Epic for $9,100 (plus tax) two months ago, with a lot of haggling. If I remember correctly, they wanted around $10,500 originally.
It's a great tub and I love it. I wasn't impressed with the HS therapy either, so the extra money for the Marquis was worth it for me.
Try haggling some more and get the tub you like best. D1 is the only other tub I found that I liked for that kind of money.
Good luck!
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It is true, the Epic did jump up in price for 2006. The Epic now comes standard with the Spa Monitor feature which is a wireless console that can monitor and function the spa from in your home. This is a $500 feature that is included in the price of the spa. MSRP for the Epic in 2006 is 12,870. I work at a Marquis factory store in Oregon and the Epic in our showrooms are in the same price range. As far as finding a more therapeutical spa, I don't think one exists.
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Paul,
PM me or email me and let me see what I can do...
There was a tremendous price jump in the last few months.
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I purchased my Epic earlier this month and I am waiting for it to be delivered. I paid $9400 which included Soundsations and the in-home spa monitor. I can't wait to be in spatopia!
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It's always best to get the spa you REALLY want but a $3k difference between your final 2 choices is an awful lot. See what Stuart has to say otherwise ...
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You won't regret buying the Epic. We got ours the beginning of December and my price range was going to be about 6000 to 7000 for our hot tub. When the husband and kids jumped into the Epic...it was all over and he didn't even want to try to work a deal. We are very very happy, not only with the tub, but with our dealer. My sister gave us the spa monitor for Christmas and that is a real nice addition that you will have included in your deal. If it also includes the soundsations, ask the dealer to let you listen to the phenominal sound from the speakers in the tub. You will be impressed! I looked at all of the others on here who got better deals on the Epic than I did and I don't even feel bad at all. My husband feels that the hot tub is one of the best things we have ever purchased. Good luck
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Bonibelle, I couldn't agree more. I initially planned to spend around $8000. But after the many wonderful reviews of the Epic, I went and wet-tested and knew that this one was for me. I feel like I got a lot of spa for the money because I looked at 2 other brands that were within $500 of the Epic. And those spas only seated 5, plus there were no sound systems included. I know I spent more than others in this forum, but I don't feel like I overpaid. Pallison, good luck with your spa search.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. I also feel like the Epic is the spa for me, just cant swallow paying several thousand more than I should for the tub. At this point I am not sure what to do. I feel like there are plenty of things I can go out and buy for 11K that I will enjoy just as much.
Paul
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mmmmm.We have had the tub for just over 3 weeks and there isn't anything that I can think of that I would enjoy more (even for $11,000.00) Quite honestly, my husband and I had a discussion about the tub the other day. We are both seriously more relaxed. We have been married for 22 years and I can't remember him ever having a real good nights sleep. Lately I have also been having trouble sleeping through the night. Since we have had the tub, we both sleep like babies and believe me the days are much better when the nights are restful. The therapy is another issue. The wonderful warm water massage under the stars when the air temperature is around 15 degrees is unmatched. Our two boys (15 and 13) love to spend time together in the tub and with us as a family. It is the best way to connect with the family. We can relax to music or the sound of the waterfall or just have conversations. My sister and her husband came up tonight and were amazed at how great they felt after only 1/2 hour in the tub. I am not a sales person, so I hope you don't think I am trying to sell you a hot tub. But if you are saying find something that will give you more satisfaction, make you feel better or improve your overall health for $11,000...I don't think you will find it. I looked and tried to justify this purchase for over 2 years and I really wish I hadn't waited so long!!!Good luck..... :)
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I think $11,000 is way too much for the EPIC. I bought my EPIC for $8300+taxes. I love the tub and think that was a pretty good price for the tub and I shopped around a lot.
Try to do some more negotiating with the sales folks. I bet they will come down on price. If they wont, there are plenty of other good tubs for about what I paid.
Good luck, you will love the EPIC if you can get it for a little less money!
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Today I wet-tested the Marquis Epic as well as the HS Envoy. I can definetly say that I prefered the Epic, feeling that the hydrotherapy was better. The problem is the price. I walked in expecting to pay around $9200 with the usual extras (the average of what others here have paid), and was suprised to be quoted a take it or leave it price of $11,200.00. When I told her what everyone else was paying, she said there was a several thousand dollar price increase for 2006, to wich I told her good luck selling these at that price.
Yea I know, prices differ by area, but I think this is rediculus, especially since I was quoted $8100 from the other dealer on the Envoy (with all the usual extras), which I know is a very competative price (tells me that pricing in my area is not out of wack).
What do others think about this price, for reference I am in the Raleigh, NC area. I feel that if I am going to enter the $11,000 price point I can probably get a much better spa than the Marquis Epic.
Thanks for any advice!
Paul
Paul,
I got your PM but still need to know what area and dealer your with. I will be happy to assist where I can.
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This is one of the best post's that I have read on this board. Bonibelle is not a salesperson tauting the features and benefits, but a use and consumer who is reflecting the truth of what we speak. As for the money aspect of it, we had a customer who explained it to us; he looked down from the upper level to see his teenage sons enjoying all of the benefits described in silence. He said that moment in time was worth every dime he paid.
mmmmm.We have had the tub for just over 3 weeks and there isn't anything that I can think of that I would enjoy more (even for $11,000.00) Quite honestly, my husband and I had a discussion about the tub the other day. We are both seriously more relaxed. We have been married for 22 years and I can't remember him ever having a real good nights sleep. Lately I have also been having trouble sleeping through the night. Since we have had the tub, we both sleep like babies and believe me the days are much better when the nights are restful. The therapy is another issue. The wonderful warm water massage under the stars when the air temperature is around 15 degrees is unmatched. Our two boys (15 and 13) love to spend time together in the tub and with us as a family. It is the best way to connect with the family. We can relax to music or the sound of the waterfall or just have conversations. My sister and her husband came up tonight and were amazed at how great they felt after only 1/2 hour in the tub. I am not a sales person, so I hope you don't think I am trying to sell you a hot tub. But if you are saying find something that will give you more satisfaction, make you feel better or improve your overall health for $11,000...I don't think you will find it. I looked and tried to justify this purchase for over 2 years and I really wish I hadn't waited so long!!!Good luck..... :)
To 97% of the population, money is a valued commodity that does not support our wishes or desires, but we will spend money everyday on frivilous items because we simply must have them and then when it comes to a bigger purchase that will benefit themselves more than any other purchase they have made in a lifetime, they get tight just to think someone else is making something on their decision.
Pallison, basically what you are saying is that it comes down to a $3,000 decision and you think either, 1) the item you are evaluating does not have any material differences that justify the $ differences like the $500 controller that has been mentioned, or 2) you would not spen the extra difference on personal indulgence for you and yours.
Come on now, you know you're worth it, if not for yourself, buy it for them and enjoy it too.
Approach the dealer again, only if you are seriously interested in acquiring this object, and have a heart to heart conversation with them. Freight alone will cost the dealer $400 or more with a 15% fuel charge on top of that, so please do keep in mind, not only does the object have value, there are certainly cost involved that you don't appreciate.
I am just trying to apply some not so common sense to the overall decision. But then of course, you can buy what ever you want, for what every you wish to afford and I am thourghly confident that you will enjoy the experience, but you are going to be sitting in it for a long, long time.
Lighten up and splurge on yourself, see if you can narrow it down to a $1,500 decision, or see what Stuart can pull off for you, but be ready to show good faith and write the check then and there, at least for a deposit. ;)
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When I told her what everyone else was paying, she said there was a several thousand dollar price increase for 2006, to wich I told her good luck selling these at that price.
Your reply was exactly what it should have been. Any other dealers out there ever have a model that had a "several thousand dollar price increase" from one year to the next? If so, please share.
I say BALONEY!
Marquis is a top-quality spa but it sounds like this dealer is yanking your chain.
Good luck with your shopping!
Terminator
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Your reply was exactly what it should have been. Any other dealers out there ever have a model that had a "several thousand dollar price increase" from one year to the next? If so, please share.
I say BALONEY!
Marquis is a top-quality spa but it sounds like this dealer is yanking your chain.
Good luck with your shopping!
Terminator
First of all Terminator, I have noticed that you only sell Hotspring Spas. Have you personally seen the increase in Marquis Spas from 2005 to 2006?
Secondly, Hotspring has a much different pricing structure than most brands and have a lot of pricing flexibility in their spas due to their size or because Hotspring is so large that it can make some spas and its covers in Mexico.
Secondly, I personally have seen in upwards of a 10% increase in one manufacturer’s spas from 2004 to 2005, which related to a retail price increase of over $1,000 dollars.
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I have to tell you, I keep in touch with my sales person and she admitted that there was a price increase, but just like Terminator says, not one that big (not even close) and much of it was due to freight costs. Also they have added the spa monitor standard. When I first wanted to look at Marquis, my friend told me of a dealer (who ended up being about 20 miles further away then the one I bought from). Their price quote on the phone was $3,000. more than my dealer. I posted on here at the time and asked how that could be, but no one answered. I figured I got a great deal and we didn't even try to bargain. Many others on here got much better deals but I have to say, my dealer is fantastic and if paying a little more means I have great service (because they can afford to pay for the best technicians) then I am good with that. Pallison, I would try to look for another Marquis dealer or really "work" this one if the Epic is the tub you want....tell the sales person that you know there was an increase, so you want a 2005 model at last years price..oh by the way, what was last years price? (several thousands less..isn't that right?) You would get the same tub, they haven't changed. Ask about sales and say you will consider if they give you the sale discount that they gave at the last sale...don't get angry and let your wife help you. My husband and I usually play against each other when we are working a sales person...(we have great luck with car dealers). And I mean no disrespect to the sales people on here but part of this process is feeling good about the deal and that you didn't get "taken to the cleaners". Oh one other thing...Marquis had financing No interest, no payment until September and that helped us go over our original set budget. good luck...it will be one of the best investments that you could ever make.
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Chris H, yes, I only sell HotSpring Spas. Yes, our spa's prices have gone up virtually every year. Yes, many folks on here have stated that Marquis had a price increase and the reasons why.
My sole interest in this whole post is to call BALONEY on the dealer's reasoning that they had a "several thousand dollar increase" from one year model to the next. "Several" could mean "two" for all I know.
From perusing this board for a year, it looks like we sell our spas a little higher priced than some other HotSpring dealers. We do that because we (a) have an excellent service department and (b) are a for-profit organization. We charge what we need to survive in our market.
If someone asked me why we were higher than other places, I'd tell them why. If they insisted they could get a better deal somewhere else, I would tell them to go for it. I wouldn't tell them we had a several thousand dollar price increase. :)
Terminator
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And if they were smart, they would probably buy from you because of your honesty. Because there are so few resources like Consumer REports, to get unbiased research about spas, excellent service is critical and worth paying for, even if it means it is actually part of the original price of the spa.
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Let me put the Epic price increase into perspective for everyone lest some competitive dealers take unfair advantage.
Until the Epic Marquis had never manufactured a spa that sold over $9000 consistently. When the Epic came out the majority of the spa dealers cringed when they quoted the price and then added in things like the in-home monitor only if the customer specifically asked for it because they had seen it on the website.
Now knowing that most of these dealers can't get over the $8k price in their own heads so they take lower margins...think of how hard it has been for them to swallow when marquis makes every option standard and prices the spa accordingly.
These dealers now are past the point of worrying whether they sell it or not...they show it as the best that Marquis has hoping to be able to get a customer to "settle" on a Destiny or an everyday spa thinking that they would have to drop price to sell an Epic and they can't make enough to make that worth while.
The problem with that thinking is that most customers see the value of the Epic but have heard of some selling for less and at lower margin so they want to still try and negotiate to the last dime.
Dealers need to understand that that spa is well worth 11k and yet be willing to sell it in the 10 range. They need to stand their ground on a fair price and feel good about it so the customer can. The same customer that would not get the spa they want for $1000 more money would go out and pay $10,000 for the car, truck or cycle they want, I don't understand that......
BTW JMcD, I just got my BMW R1200C ;D 8) (and I got a deal...) ;)
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Now see, THAT makes sense, what Stuart just said. I can certainly understand the situation he just described much better than "several thousand dollar" increase.
I hope the new pricing strategy is successful for the Marquis dealers on this forum! :) (Unless you're in East Texas....and if you are in East TX, stop in for a cold Shiner Bock with me)
Terminator
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Stuart, somehow getting a deal on a car or bike is different. I had no problem really working over the salesguy that I bought my husband's car from, but we had no thought of pushing the Marquis sales person. Part of that was probably that as soon as we expressed interest in some of the options, she gave us a deal on them. That is exactly as you have just explained.
To put it in a personal perspective, I was already way over my budget. Once we tried the Epic, it was kind of like test driving the Caddie, when you know you are Chevy material. My family decided it was that spa or none. (My husband refused to even look at any others). My sister kept telling me go for the "Caddie",because
you will probably only do this once! Not everyone however is willing to do that, especially if they think others paid less. Guess I should be grateful that I bought when I did. :)
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To put this in perspective, in the 80's, that was before east tx's time, Hot Tubs were selling for 2,800 to 3,500 and really expensive ones were 4,200 to 4,500. Then in the early 90's they were averaging in the 4,500 to 6,500 with some touching in the 8's.
The American way has always been bigger, better, more power, bells & whistles and make it deluxe with all the extras included. Some dealers have had a hard time transitioning from the late 90's to the 06's, but we now find Hot Tubs on our floor for 12,800 to 14,900 with a large offering in the 8's and the 10's.
We have them because consumers not only want them, but they are buying them as well with great results. But, still the consumer comes in and want's his price to be cheaper when they cost more, frieght is outrageous with fuel surcharges, extra's are now standard and included, only because he thought they should be cheaper. Well, many dealers have been jumping through hoops to please and satisfy willing to comprimise their pricing to make a deal happen, while others may be thinking, what am I in this business for anyway.
Look at where cars are today and what they were priced at in the 80's. If you don't want to buy a 70,000 car don't look at them, but how many Corvette's, BMW's, Shelby's, Cadillac's and Jaguar's are on the road.
You hear east tx say they are in it for the profits they can make, but they don't want you to walk either. Prices are up, that word has been around for more than 6 months now. When people get it cheaper elsewhere, others think they should be able to match the price, but that is up to the seller who has to buy, sell it, deliver it and service it.
It would be a shame to think someone would pass up getting what they really want because it was 10% or 15% more than they thought they should pay. We are all controlled by the limitation of funds, and we want to stretch them as far as they can go, but think of it, this is for you and yours, consider it self indulgence.
Are you not worth it?
East Tx, what is your most expensive spa in your lineup? ???
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one other thing to look at is the price a dealer is paying for his showroom (unless that is he owns his building). prices range throughout the country. i have seen some parts in southern cal be as high as $4/sq ft. (damn im happy we aint one of those ;D ).
im just trying to point out a reasonable thought to why prices vary like they do.
but granted...."a few thousand $$ increase" is some what a rude statement, could be phrased differently.
just a thought from the peanut gallery
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East Tx, what is your most expensive spa in your lineup? ???
HotSpring Vista at $10,600.
Least expensive is HotSpot Tobago at $2995.
Terminator
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Terminator has Hot Springs bundled all the bells and whistles on your high priced unit or are they still offered as options? Consumers look at that from two different directions..either glad to get everything and think it is a bargain, since it is a high dollar tub anyway. Or they would rather not pay for things they really don't care about. It's kind of like what happened with asian cars. My van came loaded and included a DVD player, plug-ins for video games etc... I really didn't want that, but I wanted the other options that came on that model, so I paid $1500 for a DVD player and 10 speaker system to let my kids play video games!. :o...At least it keeps the kids busy on long trips
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Bonibelle, some dealers do offer packages with everything included. We've chosen not to bundle just so the customer knows exactly what they're getting for their money. That's just our preferred method.
Also, we just don't have that many bells and whistles on our spas. The multi-color LED light comes standard and now the ozonator and stainless steel escutcheons are standard. About the only add-ons are a coverlifter and the SpAudio.
There is a small market for folks who want the works but it seems that most of the people who shop in my store are the ones who don't want TV's, stereos, lights in every jet, video games, cell phones, ice chests, laptops, misters, bubblers, remote controls, aromatherapy injectors, etc. They want to get AWAY from all the gobbledygook and just enjoy the therapeutic benefits of a spa. That's our bread and butter customer and there are a ton of them.
Terminator
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...This is one of the best post's that I have read on this board. Bonibelle is not a salesperson tauting the features and benefits, but a use and consumer who is reflecting the truth of what we speak. As for the money aspect of it, we had a customer who explained it to us; he looked down from the upper level to see his teenage sons enjoying all of the benefits described in silence. He said that moment in time was worth every dime he paid. ....
I agree that regardless what you paid, if you don't enjoy it, then it's worthless. I ussually apply this logic to low priced, sale items. Mostly clothes that my lovely wife comes home with, such as the $300 sweater she bought for $50 (Such a deal!) She doens't like how it fits her, and never wears it. She thinks she saved $250. I think she wasted $50.
On the flip side, with the hot tub, once it's home and you are enjoing it, then it doens't matter what you paid, as long as you enjoy it. The only caveats are 1) Buy quality, and don't break your budget. This is a luxary item, and if you can't afford what you want, and get a quality item, then wait until you can.
As far as what Bonniebell says about enjoying the tub, I agreee, However, I think everyone says that about thier tub. (I echo Bonnie's sentiments with my $7K tiger river. and I know folks who feel the exact same way with lower priced tubs).
At $11,500 for a tub you're at the high end of the spectrum for portable hot tubs. I wouldn't rush out to the dealer to spend that. I would take a second look at all the tubs and the decide. Then after taking a second look, and if it doens't break the budget, and it's the tub for you, buy it, enjoy it and don't look back. :)
A good hot tub will last for a long time and will be with you for long after it's paid for. So I wouldn't compromise to save a few bucks, but...
I bet for the majority of folks, they could find a tub they would be absolutely thrilled with for significantly less than that. ;)
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I recently purchased a Marquis Epic. It is a 2005 model. The electrician is hooking up the tub today. I paid $6,700.00 for the tub in Wisconsin. The dealer included the in-house monitor at no charge since Marquis shipped an '05 rather than an '06 model.
Steve
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I paid $6,700.00 for the tub in Wisconsin. The dealer included the in-house monitor at no charge since Marquis shipped an '05 rather than an '06 model.
Steve
WOW, I know there are price differences from dealer to dealer and depending on what part of the country you're in but that seems like a great price based on what others have stated. Congrats and welcome to the hot tub club!!!
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Wow...and I thought I got a great deal @ $7900. Does it have the soundsations? Even without...that's an awesome deal!!
You said Marquis shipped the 05 instead of the 06. Is that the price you would have paid for the 06?
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Wow that is one low price on that spa. Can't wait till Stuart chimes in on this one...
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I'll chime in..I don't believe you..period :P
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The $6,700.00 price does not include Soundsations. This is the price for what I thought was an '06. I believe the only change for '06 is the inclusion of an in-home monitor.
In reply to Bonibelle, my invoice and check confirms a $6,700.00 purchase. Calling me a liar is juvenile at best.
Steve
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All I can say is you got the best deal I've seen on an Epic! Good for you! If not mistaken, the soundsations runs about another $1800, so you might be in the ballpark without.
Anyone in the Wisconsin and outlying areas looking for hot-tubs should get in touch with StevenM's dealer.
Congrats and enjoy!
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I will say that I think it is a bit unfair and somewhat irresponsible to post a price that is so out of line with what seems to be the average going price ....And I say this because I have personal experience with it before I became a dealer....I happened to be in the right place at the right time and was given a very very generous deal on a tub made by Watkins ....after researching it I found out just how good a deal I was getting but I never posted the price because it would have been unfair of me to do so since it was so uncommon and unfair to think others should try and get it when I had just been very fortunate. In the case here I can only think the perhaps your dealer used some of his co -op money to off set the cost of the spa to him since at your deal most dealer would go broke in a very short period of time as it is really below cost.I will just add this that there are always exceptions both ways ( high and low) and many times circumstances influence this. I hope I was not harsh sounding.
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When I first started posting almost a year ago everyone was telling what they paid. That's what gave me the knowledge to better negotiate my deal. We all want to know "how much".
That said...there are always going to be those that paid more and those that paid less... and those that got outrageous deals.
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I will say that I think it is a bit unfair and somewhat irresponsible to post a price that is so out of line with what seems to be the average going price . I hope I was not harsh sounding.
I think you were a little harsh sounding ;) Why not go easy on newbies (and anyone, for that matter) who are simply participating in this forum.
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I think you were a little harsh sounding ;) Why not go easy on newbies (and anyone, for that matter) who are simply participating in this forum.
For someones first post, just to come in put out something that is just a bit questionable and really a bit iresponsable .....If you knew cost you really would be going hummmm.......maybe I should have posted the price I got so others can question themselves even though I knew I just fortunate ....
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For someones first post, just to come in put out something that is just a bit questionable and really a bit iresponsable .....If you knew cost you really would be going hummmm.......maybe I should have posted the price I got so others can question themselves even though I knew I just fortunate ....
It could be 1 of 3 things:
1) He truly is new to spas & this site and was simply stating what he got not knowing it was an undercutting type price.
2) He truly is new yet was fully aware the price was well under the norm and might get people to question their price,
3) He created a username and decided to screw around and plant an extremely low price to be disruptive.
If #1 is true you can't knock him. If #2 is true you wish people wouldn't feel the need to one up others to make themselves feel better. If #3 is true it wouldn't be the first time?
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.....If you knew cost you really would be going hummmm...........
i have to agree there. i have seen people wonder/question pricing before on here (with answers such as market value/competition, distance from manufacturer, etc..). granted, people like to get the best deal and feel comfortable that they paid a fair price. im the same way.
a smoking deal is one thing, announcing it (and possibly making recent buyers question what they paid) can prove to be negative for not only the dealers (who might be looked upon as greedy) but as well as the manufacturer (for an outrageous MSRP) and their product. possibly even the industry. i can almost hear it.......
"if x brand spikes their prices, i bet y and z brand do as well."
just my opinion.
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I know the epic is Killer but we have settled on either a Destiny or a Wind River Spas (made in COlorado). The Epic is bigger than we want, no other issues of course.
But our pricing is way different, I am looking $9500 with everything, tax, delivery but no sound station.
The wind River is 3 K less (and smaller), But one thing my wife loves is the 6 zones on the marquis and we think it is well worth the money to have what we really want.
So can anyone tell me what they think of our decision?
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i have to agree there. i have seen people wonder/question pricing before on here (with answers such as market value/competition, distance from manufacturer, etc..). granted, people like to get the best deal and feel comfortable that they paid a fair price. im the same way.
a smoking deal is one thing, announcing it (and possibly making recent buyers question what they paid) can prove to be negative for not only the dealers (who might be looked upon as greedy) but as well as the manufacturer (for an outrageous MSRP) and their product. possibly even the industry. i can almost hear it.......
"if x brand spikes their prices, i bet y and z brand do as well."
just my opinion.
I disagree that stating a price as being a ngative, even if it's a one of a kind deal. I think it encourages the free market, inovation and competition. I personally highly encourage it.
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I know the epic is Killer but we have settled on either a Destiny or a Wind River Spas (made in COlorado). The Epic is bigger than we want, no other issues of course.
But our pricing is way different, I am looking $9500 with everything, tax, delivery but no sound station.
The wind River is 3 K less (and smaller), But one thing my wife loves is the 6 zones on the marquis and we think it is well worth the money to have what we really want.
So can anyone tell me what they think of our decision?
Let us presume they are all good choices. I am not familiar with Wind River. Think of how long you will own, use and enjoy the Hot Tub, then buy the one you want and for what you can comfortablly afford. The worst thing you are subject to is buyer's remorse. After all, it is for you and yours. ;)
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I know the epic is Killer but we have settled on either a Destiny or a Wind River Spas (made in COlorado).
But one thing my wife loves is the 6 zones on the marquis and we think it is well worth the money to have what we really want
I'm confused. In your first paragraph you say you've settled on a Destiny or Wind River, and then you go on to say your wife loves the 6 zones in the Marquis and you think it is well worth the money to have what you really want.
I think that says it all...if it's in your budget and you love the Marquis then you can't go wrong with the Epic. The price of $9500 isn't out of line for that spa. It's Marquis' top of the line spa.
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I'm confused. In your first paragraph you say you've settled on a Destiny or Wind River, and then you go on to say your wife loves the 6 zones in the Marquis and you think it is well worth the money to have what you really want.
I think that says it all...if it's in your budget and you love the Marquis then you can't go wrong with the Epic. The price of $9500 isn't out of line for that spa. It's Marquis' top of the line spa.
The price for the Destiny around here (stairs, tax, delivery chems, cover etc.) is about $9500 right now. The Epic is more and a bit larger than what I want. I know we want the Marquis, but some thoughts have been put in our mind about others that dont cost quite as much, figure I dont know squat about Tubs and even less about their pricing, the money is non a factor to me really, just want to do this right thats all.
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obgod3,
Have you wet tested? I think the only way to make the right decision is to wet test so you can FEEL what is right for YOU.
We have the Epic. One of the things I like about it is the size. Yes, it is large, and even though it's usually just my hubby and me, it's nice to move around and have a lot of choices of therapy. My routine is to start out in one seat and move around to each seat and use each individual zone on each. By the time I get out, I've pretty much gotten every muscle. AHHHH!
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Ruby, you are so right. It is nice to have the extra room and to be able to move around. The Epic is large enough to do a little water exersize too. We wanted it to be large enough for my husband, myself and our two teenagers and be comfortable, not touching each other.
It is everything we expected and more. ;)
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obgod3,
Have you wet tested? I think the only way to make the right decision is to wet test so you can FEEL what is right for YOU.
We have the Epic. One of the things I like about it is the size. Yes, it is large, and even though it's usually just my hubby and me, it's nice to move around and have a lot of choices of therapy. My routine is to start out in one seat and move around to each seat and use each individual zone on each. By the time I get out, I've pretty much gotten every muscle. AHHHH!
Yeh I agree, but the 10 inch difference is messing with the rest of the deck plans. Also I dont want a lounger in the tub, there are six of us in the family. We tested the Destiny and 618 and loved both, just like some of the cool features on the Destiny better. I bought it today. But this forum has great info.
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Congrats! I know you are going to love the Destiny. Didn't that replace one of Marquis' previous models? The Euphoria?? Looks like it has a large footwell.
Enjoy!
P.S. My apologies on previous post. I didn't realize that the Destiny was by Marquis. I just checked out their website. It did replace the Euphoria.
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Congrats! I know you are going to love the Destiny. Didn't that replace one of Marquis' previous models? The Euphoria?? Looks like it has a large footwell.
Enjoy!
P.S. My apologies...I didn't realize that the Destiny was by Marquis. I just checked out their website. It did replace the Euphoria.
Hey it wasnt taken that way ;), no biggie. :) Yes it replaced the Euphoria although the Euphoria is bigger, I could have had a close out Euphoria but it didnt have all the same stuff as the Destiny, plus It would still dork up the deck plan, by a little.
Thanks, I cant wait to get it in, build a platform and install electrical this weekend, get inspected next week, following weekend enjoy the tub.
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You can't go wrong with the Destiny. It's actually the most powerful Marquis model. Because it uses the same 160 GPM pumps as the Epic and the water goes through two diverters instead of four, it's got a little more umph. I love getting in that tub if my shoulders are sore and sitting in the seat with the neck jets and the 5 HK40s on the upper back.
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I recently purchased a Marquis Epic. It is a 2005 model. The electrician is hooking up the tub today. I paid $6,700.00 for the tub in Wisconsin. The dealer included the in-house monitor at no charge since Marquis shipped an '05 rather than an '06 model.
Steve
If that is what you paid then it was from the dealer up there in wisconsin that Marquis recently terminated and he is selling at cost. Even at that he will loose money on that in the long run....
It would be interesting to know the dealer, PM me with it if you can but I will bet you won't see him with Marquis in the near future and believe me, it was Marquis idea not his....
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If that is what you paid then it was from the dealer up there in wisconsin that Marquis recently terminated and he is selling at cost. Even at that he will loose money on that in the long run....
It would be interesting to know the dealer, PM me with it if you can but I will bet you won't see him with Marquis in the near future and believe me, it was Marquis idea not his....
Just an FYI I was told by the local Marquis dealer that they are regulated very heavily in relation to price for the factory. Now I know lots of places say that so I called other Marquis dealers in other states and found that to be very true.
He also said that no matter if he sells me a 418 or 630 or Destiny he makes the same gross off of each so they dont try to sell a higher priced model for a commision.
SO I have been told.
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Just an FYI I was told by the local Marquis dealer that they are regulated very heavily in relation to price for the factory. Now I know lots of places say that so I called other Marquis dealers in other states and found that to be very true.
He also said that no matter if he sells me a 418 or 630 or Destiny he makes the same gross off of each so they dont try to sell a higher priced model for a commision.
SO I have been told.
By law the factory cannot and will not regulate retail price. Selling below a profitable margin will regulate those dealers on their own.
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By law the factory cannot and will not regulate retail price. Selling below a profitable margin will regulate those dealers on their own.
I don’t get it, how do you get self regulation of a retail price? That doesn’t make much sense to me.
I would like to know what law says you can’t do this, I am not an attorney but my cousin is a Lawyer (Business Law) she says that there is no such thing. She could be wrong but If that were the case Saturn couldn’t have non haggle pricing on their cars and regulate those dealers, as they do, and I know this for sure because a good firend of mine is a GM of one of those dealerships.
I gotta raise the BS flag on this one :)
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Where Saturn might be different is that the pricing of cars is regulated by the federal government in terms of MSRP ....It must be the same in all 50 states for the excat same car....Now what a dealer chooses to sell them for depends on the dealer. It is an interesting thought about Saturn and how they work out the legal issues but one thing to keep in mind is the auto industry is far more regulated than spas. And the MSRP is a government law that as a example it does not have to be on the window but it must be inside of any new vehicle that is on a lot. The window sticker as it is most commonly called and where it is placed is just the accepted way of doing this.
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to add it is against the fair trade laws for maker to tell you what you must sell something for. I think what Stuart was referring to was that if you sell too cheaply you will simply go out of business . As gross and net profit are vastly different things.
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to add it is against the fair trade laws for maker to tell you what you must sell something for. I think what Stuart was referring to was that if you sell too cheaply you will simply go out of business . As gross and net profit are vastly different things.
I dont think this is what fair trade laws are for nor do I think they apply. In addition it would not cover a franchise, wonder if thats what they are (meaning the broker of the spa itself)? BY the way the factory meaning GM tells the saturn delaer what they can sell a car for, it is also highly regulated by the manufacturer.
I know the difference between gross and net, but if a small store with one person and virtually no overhead can sell cheaper they can still make money. But I do know (actually been told) that Marquis says they only pay one fee to the broker for each tub, they are all the same gross amount regardless of the tub. Which makes sense in this case because the dealer can sell low but it could cut into thier gross margin if the factory only pays "x" for thier sevices. OK I get it.
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With franchsies if you listen to a commercial there is a disclaimer that says at something like at "participating dealers" ....as for fair trade I can only share with you what we have always be told that a maker cannot tell you what you must sell thing for as it violates the law.
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We love our Epic but it has had trouble staying up with the set temp of 104 after an hour of 4 users, even in 45 degree weather....we had a tech ck it out (yes full amps and good electric...only 15 feet from main electic) it drops down to about 101-102. If we shut down the jets, loose the air injection it still drops to 102 and struggles to hold temp....any ideas? can we put a 5.5 heating element in it (we have a 60 amp breaker)? I think it currently has only a 4.7...I will post this under its own topic...on price issue, we paid less than 9000 and could have paid less from other dealers (out of state but we had to keep it secret...kinda like price fixing), but we want the support of a good dealer and it was like buying insurance to pay more and we thought it worth it.....I also like the HS line of products but love the epic seating