You're right about one thing here. This "greatest show on earth" is going on in every state across the nation.
I have yet to see or hear of one in Ohio.
Oh I guess the Ford, GM, Toyota guys advertising $6000 rebates ,Cash for your trade etc etc.......... is OK? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Go to GM and PUSH THE BUTTON AT THE DEALER ::) Marketing whats the CRIME ?!!!!! retail is FULL OF SNAKES!!!
Gary...
If you think being a snake is a good thing and since others do it must make it right.....Than you should always do business with those who feel the same as you.... Many would prefer to work with those who have a bit more integrity than that.... Also your comment is insulting to all auto dealers who do not play that type of game....but even with Autos 6000.00 off MSRP is not only more realistic but also verifiable ....Not so with spas and especially not when the company who is running the ad claims to know nothing about it.... I think you bought a M***** spa which if so...Is fine no one here is saying they are not a nice spa....but that the company promotes shows that are extremely deceitful ....
Yeah and at these shows the snakes are wearing golf shirts with the Master Spa logo on them.
And............... are Boat shows any different or does that not matter because they are NOT your competition? Car shows RV shows................. ???
I am not a dealer. I am a consumer who was defrauded at one of these shows with out and out bald faced LIES. So read your own posts especially the part about not knowing the facts.
Gary,
Forgive me about not understanding what you are saying in your post...You bought a Master spa and that is fine AGAIN no one where has questioned if they make a nice spa or not....You wet tested and found that it was the right spa for you GOOD.....NOW if you had bought at one of these so called super shows you would not have had the option to wet test...nor would you have local dealer support .... It is these shows that are in brought into question and the sales practices used at them .... And for anyone who some how wants to justify them well I guess thats OK... I think for those who do.... its a little like saying Hitler was just somehow a misunderstood artist ..... after so many here who have had experience with them and most always share the same type of stories which none seem to be positive ....
Gary, please let me add some thoughts. I only wish you the best with your new spa. You bought your spa the right way. you tested different brands and found the right spa and dealer. Master spa does make a good spa and there are very happy owners posting on this site.
What we are livid about are these shows that Master Spa condones. Their national director of marketing organizes them. The sales practices they use are dishonest.
I don't want to diminish your excitement for the new spa. I hope you enjoy it for many years to come.
I understand the other "Shows" seem to be the same way . Boat RV etc............... I have NEVER been to a Home show ........
Gary,
see that is the real problem these are not even a Home Show ...they are just a event that is promoted as a large spa show with many national brands showing spas all under one roof....problem is in the end is and for the most part it is simply a Master factory spa sale ....that blows into town for a weekend and is gone the following week.....
I have yet to see or hear of one in Ohio.
Gotcha I see what your saying. Is it Master ONLY?
Gary, 1) you evauated your spa purchase and I will assume bought from a dealer because you did water test your spa. You made a good choice and you should be proud of your decision, nobody said anything about your product. Many of us are affected by the mardketing tactics and we find that what happens to our shopping traffic and the strories that consumers say about their experiences hurt not only our businesses but our industry as evidenced by your statement.
To read the way you put it, I guess anyone in sales can be a snake. Yes, we are "salespeople" and we do take offense, because of what these people do. We are affected, so are you in your overall impressions of sales or shoulod I say marketing tactics, as well as the rest of the consuming public.
Think of the things that are sold, Insurance, Stocks, Real Estate, "Investments", as well as cars, RV's, Boats, Hot Tubs, etc.etc. I wuld like to think that 95% of sales people are governed by and have certain principles, methods, morals and ethics that guide them to doing a good job for their customer and the subsequent business that customer bring back to us.
Now, let's everybody go take a soak. ;D
Zainsville, spring of '04. the police took down the license plates during set up and came back during the show and arrested one of the closers on an outstanding warrant and they took him out during the show.
Zainsville, spring of '04. the police took down the license plates during set up and came back during the show and arrested one of the closers on an outstanding warrant and they took him out during the show.
Gary,
Since I was the one who posted the thread and with out ever mentioning who it was putting the showing on .....As I did not want to come across as someone looking to jump on them .... As that had been done in the past and why do it again .....My legitimate was reason was to ask the question when you see a ad for a $10,000.00 spa being sold this weekend for only $3995.00 do you respond ... I was looking at from a dealers point of view with thought do people really buy into this line of what is nothing more than total Bu**Sh**...Others finally after being prodded about who sponsors the show brought up their name ...To answer your question they dominate the show and the others who are there are typically a non competitive spa like a free flow or a soft tub .... there are nothing wrong with these shows if in fact they would simply be as promoted like actually having a spa that you claim is valued at 10,000.00 and selling it for 3995.00 if you could find a sales person there who knew about it that would be a good thing and another would be when you advertise all of theses different manufactures are going to be there... to actually have them there ...well that to would be good.... instead of it being by and large a M***** spa sale ......and hey nothing wrong in that....just tell people thats what it is....
"the Director of sales was "Scum of the earth sleezy" sales IMHO."
So then, you met Tim B. who was mentioned earlier. He has the charisma of a serpent.
...(as a new dealer picked them up and had in fact participated in the show). In short, the local store owner here in Charlotte may be a great guy but the Director of sales was "Scum of the earth sleezy" sales IMHO.
So it looks like, at least in this case, the local MS dealers are not threatened by this....only other brands' dealers are
threatened? Maybe the MS local dealers even like it? I guess one mans scum is another man's chum.....
Talk to any of the local MS dealers who don't participate in these shows ( which are the vast majority} and listen to their reactions about the shows. See how they feel about them dumping sales in to their territories and making false claims about the local dealers responsability to deliver and service them. You couldn't print those MS dealers reactions on this site w/o heavy censorship.
So it looks like, at least in this case, the local MS dealers are not threatened by this....only other brands' dealers are threatened? Maybe the MS local dealers even like it? I guess one mans scum is another man's chum.....
That was kinda what I was thinking
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Not saying its right, just ..........................
Ya know what I dont understand and hve seen this before .
Why does the dealer feel he should NOT have to /or does not want to service the spa? If the spa is under warranty they get paid by the manufacturer to repair and or replace the faulty parts True? What seems to be the problem?
Windsurf,
I know you very much like your tub....but your instance on trying find some favorable way to spin what they do....You are really reaching...I will share 2 things one it was out of respect for you and Drifter that I did not bring their name in the start of this post and secondly because of our discussion a couple of months back was the reason I went to the show ....To try and see it in a different light ....This was my 3rd time attending the show and it will be my last as .....It confirmed to me all I thought of them and actually took it to another level for reasons I will not mention but lets just say the Police were discussed .... You can say another mans scum is another chum.....and I guess if you are bottom feeding crab or catfish yeah that might work.....but none the less its for bottom feeders ... All I am trying to understand is how...with what seems to be the most consistently mentioned thing here on this board and that is dealers inconsistently and lack of integrity...do you not see that this is simply wrong.. ..And this is something that casts a bad light on all dealers as we get lumped together and it leaves a bad taste on many a consumers mouth ....When you say threaten its not by the product or the price it is the deceitfulness that we can not compete with .....
And, BTW, why did it take you 3 visits to figure all this out?
From a marketing standpoint only, I think it is a pretty savvy idea. Most consumers are under the assumption that all spas are "jacuzzis" anyway and one's as good as another. Many consumers are also under the impression that they will get a better deal at an off-site event than in the store. This combination of traits is, I believe, prevalent in the majority of people looking to buy a spa. This is who they are targeting.
More power to them if it helps them sell spas. You can't make someone buy something they don't want. Obviously, these customers are looking to buy and Master Spa is finding a way to sell it to them. Time will tell whether the consumers are happy with their purchase.
I am not a high pressure salesperson. I could never do what it sounds like these guys and some other spa manufacturers do to sell their products. I could never engage in half-truths and exagerrations in order to force someone's hand in buying my spa (I am a consumer as well and absolutely loathe dealing with a slick talking car salesman type).
I'm extremely grateful that I represent a company who has made it to the top of the industry by selling the product on such things as quality, service, performance, enjoyment, and support after the sale. I can walk down the streets where I work and live and not have to turn the other way because I see a disgruntled customer coming my way. I make customers for life. Those are the one's I want.
Terminator
It's a lot easier to be in business that long when you represent a company that has integrity, business scruples, and loyalty to their dealers.
From a marketing standpoint only, I think it is a pretty savvy idea. Most consumers are under the assumption that all spas are "jacuzzis" anyway and one's as good as another. Many consumers are also under the impression that they will get a better deal at an off-site event than in the store. This combination of traits is, I believe, prevalent in the majority of people looking to buy a spa. This is who they are targeting.
More power to them if it helps them sell spas. You can't make someone buy something they don't want. Obviously, these customers are looking to buy and Master Spa is finding a way to sell it to them. Time will tell whether the consumers are happy with their purchase.
I am not a high pressure salesperson. I could never do what it sounds like these guys and some other spa manufacturers do to sell their products. I could never engage in half-truths and exagerrations in order to force someone's hand in buying my spa (I am a consumer as well and absolutely loathe dealing with a slick talking car salesman type).
I'm extremely grateful that I represent a company who has made it to the top of the industry by selling the product on such things as quality, service, performance, enjoyment, and support after the sale. I can walk down the streets where I work and live and not have to turn the other way because I see a disgruntled customer coming my way. I make customers for life. Those are the one's I want.
Terminator
Windsurfdog,
Please help me to understand the attitude we should emulate. By calling out and asking a question of consumers do you buy into this type of marketing . I fully respect and appreciate Ex Tex professionalism, He may not have to deal with these types of shows 3 and 4 times a year so maybe he has had less hands on experiences with them. But it seems to come down those who some how want to justify the way they do business . Again if that works for those who do great. But to deceive and lie should never be confused with being savvy and cleaver.
If they'll condone such practices at the corporate level for these "Spa shows" for the sake of a sale then I have to wonder about other decisions they MAY make at times relative to quality, schedule promises, etc.
He may not have to deal with these types of shows 3 and 4 times a year so maybe he has had less hands on experiences with them.
Lie. Find Sundance dealers around the country. Tell them you are moving to the area they serve. Yes, go to mapquest, put in the dealer's zip and find a street. Their practices are less than honorable and worst than car buying. Most will come back with a quote that you can use to haggle with the local dealer. I just saved almost $2K on a 2005 Cameo using these tactics.
Lie. Find Sundance dealers around the country. Tell them you are moving to the area they serve. Yes, go to mapquest, put in the dealer's zip and find a street. Their practices are less than honorable and worst than car buying. Most will come back with a quote that you can use to haggle with the local dealer. I just saved almost $2K on a 2005 Cameo using these tactics.
WOOOOHOOO !! Post #2 Right out of the gate and calling someone a LIAR . Thanks I know who to ignore!
Gary
Lie. Find Sundance dealers around the country. Tell them you are moving to the area they serve. Yes, go to mapquest, put in the dealer's zip and find a street. Their practices are less than honorable and worst than car buying. Most will come back with a quote that you can use to haggle with the local dealer. I just saved almost $2K on a 2005 Cameo using these tactics.
Oh I guess the Ford, GM, Toyota guys advertising $6000 rebates ,Cash for your trade etc etc.......... is OK? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Go to GM and PUSH THE BUTTON AT THE DEALER ::) Marketing whats the CRIME ?!!!!! retail is FULL OF SNAKES!!!
Masterge I saved you some time,
Masterge,
I am not a dealer, but I do take offense to your blanket indictments of the spa industry, especially on this website. Most of the dealers that post on this site are offering their expertise to strangers that will likely never visit one of their stores, much less put a dollar in their pocket. I, for one, appreciate the fact that they take the time to share their knowledge with us, and that most of them do their best to do so in an unbiased fashion. Of course the occasional goofball shows up, putting out propaganda. Those posters are usually identified quickly and they leave after a few posts, as I expect you will. While I know none of the dealers who post here on a regular basis personally, I would expect to find that they are honorable, fair businesspeople.
My Saturday sermon :)!
Masterge,Also retracted, most of the dealers I was referring to don't post here very much anymore.
I am not a dealer, but I do take offense to your blanket indictments of the spa industry, especially on this website. Most of the dealers that post on this site are offering their expertise to strangers that will likely never visit one of their stores, much less put a dollar in their pocket. I, for one, appreciate the fact that they take the time to share their knowledge with us, and that most of them do their best to do so in an unbiased fashion. Of course the occasional goofball shows up, putting out propaganda. Those posters are usually identified quickly and they leave after a few posts, as I expect you will. While I know none of the dealers who post here on a regular basis personally, I would expect to find that they are honorable, fair businesspeople....
Also retracted, most of the dealers I was referring to don't post here very much anymore.
WOW. You really are upset...
THE END. (please.....please.....please..... :))
THE END. (please.....please.....please..... :)) (One more time, with feeling....)
Oh c'mon, lets wait to see what all the salesman with empty stores have to say!
Oh c'mon, lets wait to see what all the salesman with empty stores have to say!
Amen Soakin....I think "some" of them are finally getting it, maybe,perhaps the picture posting and grand standing may stop, and we can get much needed info that this banal board has become, it seems that when someone mentions any other brands but what the few , you mention sell, the gates of hell open up.
huh? picture posting is bad?
Grandstanding?
Honestly, if you feel there is a problem, contribute and speak up then and there. Its a public forum. Don't sit back and say nothing and the later whine about vague things.
I am not saying that picture posting is bad, I enjoy looking at all the creative ways that people have added spas to there homes and backyards. I am not interested in all the big busted ladies, tools used in sales events and for dealer parties. I do not have to look at them, and dont.
And by the way Drew, I am not whining, as you so put it, I gave my opinion.It is posts like yours that probaly turn other people away.
Only if walls could talk....... ;D
The following is the post that bothered me. How can you say that you are giving good, legitmate, objective advice when you post that someone is an idiot for saying they feel a certain brand is better than HS.
bhawes
Re: LA Spa Heet
Dec 13th, 2005, 10:47am »
I think LA Spas is great Hot tub even better than Hot Springs and Sundance. It's seems after wet testing that Hot Springs is really overrated not enough jets and very low power. The price for the Hot Springs is only playing for the name while, LA Spas can compete any day with Hot Springs and Sundance.
When a poster asked "What should I be looking for when I shop for a spa" a while back your first response was "100% no bypass filtration". Come on, dude. People come here for quality information.
BTW, here's that other thread you were looking for. I stand by everything I said in it.
http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=wtb-hottub;action=display;num=1131050863;start=2
Terminator
I stand corrected on that example. Sorry.
...My original response below to his/her post showed what I thought of the method of placing once's own product high while stepping on another's to elevate it even higher.
I dont see anything wrong with stating an opinion. I guess it's just a matter of how it's presented.
huh?
I dont know anything about monkeys and peaches but ....he promised not to pick on the little boy that always picks his nose at recess as much and I promised to stop criticizing the way he does it as mcuh.