Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: baneybigd on October 10, 2005, 04:01:02 pm
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I have a new Sundance Marin model, and cant get the temp above 104 degrees, is there any way to by pass this bath water? ??? ; :I would love 107 degrees
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NO The Consumer Product Safety Division reccomends a max temp of 104 so most manufacturers limit the tubs to that temp. That being said, if you have the tub up to 104 then run the pumps with the cover on you may be able to cheat by a couple of degrees.
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Yes, there is a way to do it. No, I will not tell you how. Ask your dealer if they will help you out. Pleae do not be surprised if they are unwilling as it is a liability issue.
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Make sure to get out before you close the cover.
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Sergicalstrike is right. Most resposible dealers would never consider telling a consumer how to increase the temperature or offer to modify the spa settings. If so, the dealer would be responsible for possible death and would lose a lawsuit in a court of law, even with a signed waiver. The dealer knows better. Period. A recent article from an industry magazine, stated that U.L. is in the process of implenenting new stricter standards, to assure that no tub should fluctuate from the 104 degree standard. This could mean some type of 104 safety sensor could be required for the future. At 104 degrees, I can only take about 12 minutes in the spa, before feeling like I'm going to faint. At 100 degrees, I can sit through an entire first half of a Football game. I can not imagine what 107 would feel like. Enjoy the hot water, just not too hot. Dave.
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Do not pay attention to the wimps. It is as easy as changing the jumper.
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Do not pay attention to the wimps. It is as easy as changing the jumper.
Now there's some great advice.....
Hey, tansu, how 'bout giving exact details of this "easy" jumper change along with a contract stating you will be personally liable for any heat induced medical ailments that baney or his/her guests may experience? Or are you a wimp?
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Unless you want broiled kabobs, I wouldnt go beyone 104.
SemperFi
Dick
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104 is plenty Hot for most people, You may want to try a drop in thermometer to make sure you are up to 104 I hear Sun dance can not be trusted with their temp settings ....I AM KIDDING.... ;)..But really do try the drop in thermometer you may find it to be different than your temp display ........
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my tub goes up to 107 now after I did a little research. It will be nice on those really cold days so by the time I get in it, it will be perfect.
I dont even know if I will ever use it that high, I find 103 almost killed me yesterday.
It can be done just ask the guys that installed you, they will tell you
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gpt the jumper thanks
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Make sure to get out before you close the cover.
;D ;D ;Dsounds like a darwin award in the making.....
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Above 104??? Are you kidding me? Our tub doesn't go above 99 degrees right now, I have had it drift to 100 but man..that's to hot for me..I'm not sure how you can sit in 104 degree temps for any longer than 5 min! anyway my opinion.
BP
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baneybigd,
You are not alone in your desire for higher temps (contrary to the many posts listed here). One of my criteria for picking a tub was an ability to increase as I saw fit. I figured if I am spending thousands on a tub, I should be able to boil lobsters in it if I want. I understand the UL wanting to keep us safe, but we have to admit that people have different "prefered temps". Just read the different posts here and we can see prefered temps from 99-104+. That is a 5 degree difference, and you are only suggesting the ability to add a degree or two. I just like the things that I buy to not have limitations. What if the thermometer doesn't work and locks you in at 104, but the 104 is really 94. The ability to add a degree or two should be ours. I say search out someone who will tell you how to rig the sundance...
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104 is plenty hot! I keep mine at 101 and that is plenty hot. I couldn't imagine 107. I think things would start to cook at that temp. I think I'd pass out in 107.
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Underwriters Laboratory is in the process of changing its guidelines regarding temperature. 104 degrees will still be the maximum factory setting. Up to this point UL has allowed electronic spa equipment manufacturers to have tolerances or fluctuation to 109. The required factory setting is just 104, the tolerance just allowed the equipment, some + or minus room, for failure. It was stated by U.L. that they felt some manufacturers took advantage of the tolerance and allowed their eqipment the ability to go hotter than 104 degrees.UL felt the need to become more strict reegarding this issue. The new rules that they plan to impliment, would no longer allow tolerances to 109 or allow a manufacturer, to have a modification available on the board that could , increase temperature to 107 or 108 degrees. So if you want to boil like potatoes and carrots in a Hot Tub, you better buy one soon. It's funny, just 4 hours ago, a customer in Cape May, asked me to get his hot tub hotter, he wanted 110 degrees. I know how to do it, but I told him for no amount of money, would I ever consider it. You can have someone sign all the waivers and disclaimers in the world, when you get sued for a heart attack or death, caused by your negligence of modifying equipment, in America you will lose. Don't believe me. I will not mention names, but a large Pool Store in New Jersey lost a 5 milllion dollar lawsuit for selling a customer an oversized diving board. The customer came into the store and requested to buy a 8' diving board. The owner of the store, asked the customer what size pool he had. When told, the store owner stated waht the consumer already knew, that his pool required a 6' dive. The customer, insisted he still wanted a 8' board and did the guy wants his money or what? So, the pool store owner said to the consumer, if you sign a waiver, I will sell it to you. He did sign the waiver and he left with his 8' board. 3 weeks later, the man with the 8 foot board, had a pool party. The homeowner, even though drinking, dove into his pool on his 8' board, he dove out far. He struck the bottom head first and became paralyzed from the neck down. The Pool Store owner arrived at court feeling comfortable with his signed waiver. The judge found the store owner negligent. The judge stated by having him sign the waiver, he clearly knew selling him the board was hazardous to health. So, in fact the waiver proved he was quilty and therefore responsible for the accident. This person sued the store, distributor and the diving board manufacturer. Standards are set for a reason. 104 is our standard, like it or not. Think before modifying, is it worth it? What a person does to their own spa is their business and their liability, but now our liability, because pros won't do it. Enjoy the no too hot H20. Dave.
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I love this forum. It takes all kinds. I am reminded of a true story about a California couple who were found in their hot tub the next day by concerned neighbors. Seems they had the temp way up, a mostly consumed pitcher of margaritas, and had passed out/fallen asleep/whatever. Anyway, the meat was so tender it was falling off the bones.
I think the Darwin Awards comment is particularly apropos. I think anyone who wants to really heat up their tub should have that right. Just don't ask me to pay any of the freight to deal with the remains. :-)
Bill
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Nice one Bill. ;)
I seriously believe that the people asking for 105+ degree temperatures have never been in a tub that is accurately 104 degrees. If you feel sitting in a tub for 3 minutes is fun, go hard! My suggestion; go run a bath with pure hot water if that’s what you’re after.
Anyone who wants more than 105 degrees and wants someone here to tell them how to do it, should be required to send a notarized letter from their doctor to the person suggesting how to change it first.
I'm not saying you'll die for sure in those sorts of temperatures but nobody here has the right to suggest how to do it without knowing some form of medical history. Even then, it's not our job and it's morally wrong.
My $0.02... :-/
Steve
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Steve ,
Well said! If people want to roast themselves, in their hot tub, thats up to them, but we should not teach them how to do it. It just is not responsible. Dave.