Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: BadBack on September 19, 2005, 05:54:27 pm
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I have owned my Marquis Euphoria for 6 months now and I have a little problem with my water. I am constantly having high PH levels about 7.6 to 7.8, and my water is cloudy. I last changed the water 30 days ago, I clean my filters ( I have two sets) once a month. The tub does not get heavy use only me and my wife about 2 or 3 times a week. The temperature of the water is 98 degrees. I check the water once a week, and add a tablespoon of shock once a week. The Bromine Cartridge is set at #2. Any help would be appreciated.
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It sounds like you are low on sanitizer ...what is that reading....
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if you're dispensing bromine tabs, you still need to use granular bromine or granular chlorine after each use. 1/2 teaspoon per 100gals-chlorine, 1teaspoon per 100gals-gran.bromine.
the tablets can not tell for how long or how often you're using the spa. I agree with mendocino101....low sanitizer
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Also 1 tbs of shock is not enough...should be about 3 oz...
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The Frog system does not keep the sanitizer up. You could set it at 6 and probably not be there. A good shock with dichlor will clear up your water. Check your PH after that. I have found that different types of test strips will provide different readings. They all seem to read similar on the chlorine or bromine levels. Good luck!
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The Frog system does not keep the sanitizer up. You could set it at 6 and probably not be there. A good shock with dichlor will clear up your water. Check your PH after that. I have found that different types of test strips will provide different readings. They all seem to read similar on the chlorine or bromine levels. Good luck!
Do you really shock a bromine spa with chlorine?
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The Frog system does not keep the sanitizer up. You could set it at 6 and probably not be there. A good shock with dichlor will clear up your water.
What do you base the above statement on??? Are you a dealer? Do you own a Marquis spa with the frog system?
Are there any FACTS to back you up? I'm not trying to be smart but I have an Epic on order and would like to know.
Thanks!
drprwnap 8)
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The Frog system does not keep the sanitizer up. You could set it at 6 and probably not be there. A good shock with dichlor will clear up your water.
What do you base the above statement on??? Are you a dealer? Do you own a Marquis spa with the frog system?
Are there any FACTS to back you up? I'm not trying to be smart but I have an Epic on order and would like to know.
Thanks!
drprwnap 8)
Let me clarify something here ...The Frog system works very well and is a very easy and convenient way to care for your water ....But you can use what ever system you like in your spa...Marquis has done a nice job by making the in-line feeder standard on their spas but the frog is used in many other brands by using the floater system ...both work the same, the in-line is nice beacuse you do not see it and is a bit more efficient ....but the point is you are can use whatever water treatment you like the best... the brand of spa makes no difference ....
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Thanks Everyone for your help! But here is a stupid question, what exactly is sanitizer, my dealer never mentioned it, so i am sure i am not doing it. Please advise me.
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The yellow cartridge in the frog system is bromine....that is your sanitizer and needs to be changed 1 month and this can vary with use....
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ok so i am doing this. Thanks for your help.
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stl-rex, yes you can add/ or shock a bromine spa with chlorine, it immediately turns into bromine.
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So Mendo, are you saying that the bromine cartridge is ALL you need for sanitizer as long as you change it out when needed? I was lead to believe it's just a supplement to reduce the amount of sanitizer needed.
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yes it should be fine for normal use....now if you have a party or extra people in the spa than you will need to supplant it with granular bromine or di chlor .....to boost it up for the extra use ....the frog is designed to keep your spa nice with minimal effort from you....it works well for those who are less diligent than others...as I have mentioned here before ....the fine folks on this board are a anomaly to the average hot tub owner....so a system that requires less thought and effort than others can be a good thing for many.....but if you have extra use than do add a little di chlor or bromine .....
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Yes we own an epic
No not a dealer
Yes the frog system is not all it;'s put up to be.
The tub has had little use over the summer (got it in may) and the frog system set at 4 or 5 will not show much for sanitizer when testing. The cartridge will last about three weeks when set at 3 to 4. I had my dealer supply me with three bromine and six mineral cartridges as part of the deal. I couldn't keep the bromine levels up unless I set the cartridge to 6 for a week then shock with MPS to convert dead bromine to useable bromine. As the water gets older, the amount of bromine increases, so the setting goes down to 2 and shock with MPS to convert dead bromine to useable bromine. Yes, it is a vicious cycle. I found a source for high grade pucks to refill the cartridges - 10 bucks for a 150 gram 99% pure cartridge or thirty bucks for 3 kg (3000 grams) of pucks that are 97% pure. That's about $1.50 per fill. Well after all this, I decided that I like using dichlor. My water stays clean and I don't mess with it too often. Last week, I didn't open the lid for about 6 straight days and on Friday night, the water was a touch cloudy, I haven't checked the frog cartridge in about 2 weeks but I suspect it was empty. I shocked with dichlor and it cleared up in about 20 minutes.
I like to add dichlor just before a bunch of people come in, it sanitizes faster than dichlor and then it's gone.
Good luck
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stl-rex, yes you can add/ or shock a bromine spa with chlorine, it immediately turns into bromine.
Appreciate the comment, but confirm that shocking with chlorine will cause the residual bromide to become useable bromine. College chemistry was long ago, but that doesn't make sense. Of course I am a newb regarding pool/spa chemistry
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so you can use dichlor with bromine, and this would help keep the water clear. I also get a low Bromine level almost all the time.
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so you answered my question on way the water might be cloudy, but why would my PH always have a high reading?
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Wow, there's some statements floating around that are making my head cloudier than anyone's spa can possible be!
Dichlor converts into bromine once you add it to the water? I was told adding dichlor to a bromine spa was the worst thing you could do and will cloud up your water faster than a hurricane.
The frog system set at 6 barely shows a reading? Mine is set at 4, my tub is 360 gallons and used daily, and my level is one spot below the high reading for bromine. Considering the ozonator helps out, I was told to maintain my bromine levels lower and am considering dropping the floater number to 3.
I have been on bromine tabs for a month and haven't touched my booster or left over concentrate powder once, nor have I added any when i get out, still shock weekly, add clarifyer and scale remover, and feel my floater is the best $7 I have ever spent. I do battle a little with my ph being high though. Basically, I have trouble fee tubbing in clear water.
Probably just me though, I'm sure there's more I need to be worrying about right?
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You certainly can shock a bromine spa with dichlor. If your water is cloudy, it is probably the best thing to do. Before non chlorine shock, that is what was used exclusively. As far as bromine and chlorine in the same water...bromine pucks are part chlorine. You can always add chlorine to a bromine spa. It energizes the bromine and rearranges the chemistry to make the bromine more usable...same as non chlorine shock. If your bromine levels get way down or your water is cloudy or you just had eight football players soaking in your spa, adding dichlor is the fastest way to get sanitation levels back. You cannot add bromine to a chlorine spa...unless you want a bromine spa.
If you do not have an inline frog system and do not like to use their floater, place a standard frog cartridge in your filter compartment and use the bromine floater of your choice and reduce your bromine levels to whatever King Technology recommends. Better yet, do the same thing with Brilliance bromine and have a pure bromine experience at reduced levels.