Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: jrl3741 on September 15, 2005, 08:59:56 am
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Hello everyone:
I have done about as much research as possible on my own and I am looking for opinions. I have finally narrowed my search to 2 finalists - Marquis SA Euphoria and the Hot Springs Grandee. Below is an over- simplification of the pros and cons . Since price IS a concern do you think the HS is worth 2K more than the Marquis?
Marquis
Pros
Better Massage
Price $7K
Separate seating
Larger foot well
Cons
Poor lighting
Exterior color choices
Exterior quality
Must pay cash up front
No free financing
Hot Spring
Pros
Free financing (16 months)
Color choices
Fountain
Better Lighting
Cons
Higher price $9K
Open seating
Thanks in advance for eveyone's help!!!
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I'll prefice this by stating that while I did consider the HS Grandee, I have never looked at the Marqui, and every thing that I know about them has been gleened from this board. You give the Marqui points physical considerations such as a better message and better seating, while giving the HS points for visuals such as exterior color, waterfall and lights. Speaking for my self, I'd rather have the spa that felt right for me, as opposed to the one I though looked better. You do not specifically state why you consider the exterior quality of the Marqui to be inferior to the HS, but I have not read anything on these boards to infer that Marqui is a poor quality tub by any means. Again I have never actually looked at a Marqui tub, I'm only going by what I have read on these forums. If you don't mind my asking what specifically do you preffer about the exterior quality of HS.
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I looked real hard at Marquis before buying my HotSpring. The Marquis does perform very well and while kind of plain jane to look at, is a well constructed and versatile spa. The company is much smaller than HS, but has a good reputation for taking care of their customers. HS sets the standard in the industry for customer service. So you are looking a two high grade spas from two of the top manufacturers.
Considering the price difference you have been quoted, and your very perceptive comments, I would recommend the Marquis as the better of two very good choices for you.
Regards,
Bill
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jrl,
have you looked at the Epic? It'll cost you a little more than the SA but less than the HS. I absolutely fell in love with the Epic during a wet test. You owe it to yourself to at least look at this spa. Quality wise, Marquis is in the same league as HS, IMO.
drprwnap 8)
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Get the one you LIKE THE BEST!! 2k will fade away over the next 10-15yrs of ownership
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I'm a Marquis Epic owner and we bought ours out the door for . We looked at HS Envoy and that would have been the ONLY HS product we would have considered. Once we wet tested the Epic it was a done deal. Better massage hands down.
I don't know what you mean by exterior quality?? Like Bill said, it is a top quality manufacturer. There are only two choices in color for the cabinet, but like Bob's comments, I would go for how the spa FEELS not appearance. I am one picky lady and in my opinion my Epic is a darned good looking spa!
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Marquis has a much more inclusive warranty, and less maintenance cost over time with filters, pillows and proprietary replacement parts.
There is around $150 to $200 difference just to replace a heater after the warranty.
I'm confused by your comment of "Exterior quality " under the cons section of the Marquis....has someone eluded to the old style cabinet from the competition?
The comment about lighting also threw me...First off, most people only use the light to get in and out of the spa. Second, the light was purposely placed lower in the front seat area so that you could see the floor well getting in and out in the dark and finally have you looked at it in the dark?
Financing costs money and for about $1000 extra your Marquis dealer can offer the same thing. In addition, there are other tiers of financing available for Marquis dealers 6 months SAC should cost them about $250 and 12 months SAC about $350 more. I'm sure they would be happy to offer it if your willing to pay the extra.
There are many other options that you can do like add Color Kinetic lighting or even move up to an Epic for around the same price as the Grande.
You would be happy with either tub in the long run. I had to make a choice over my Marquis and a new Grande that I won in a Court Case almost 2 years ago and after considering all angles and wet testing I chose to pay for the Marquis rather the take the Grande home at no cost. It was a difficult decision
If you have more questions on any of these things feel free to email me.
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Stuart,
The Grandee has the Tri-X filters now. I would doubt they will cost more over time...
Chris
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I have Tri-X filters and have done nothing but rinse them out every 2-3 weeks and put them in the dishwasher at water the water change. No cost at all not even filter cleaner. So far so good
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Stuart,
The Grandee has the Tri-X filters now. I would doubt they will cost more over time...
Chris
4 to 5 filters will cost more over time....I have kept the same set of standard filters for over 2 years in the past by taking good care of them but the bottom line is you will at some time replace those Tri-X filters, Pillows, Heater and jets. The more specialty and proprietory they are the more expensive they get.
I like HotSpring a lot and if the price where equivelent I could understand even the lights and waterfall issue but at $2000 differance you can buy a lot of standard filters to still have a great massage!
HotSpring has always been a leader, Marquis has always been inovative...I can't buy into the Tri-X filter story until it is proven over time. I'm actually bringing a similar filter in to test.
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SIMILAR filters won't give you accurate test results. Testing the ACTUAL filter is the only way to get accurate results
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I see all of these as primary reasons to decide on a spa.
Better Massage
Price $7K
Separate seating
Larger foot well
I see all of these as secondary "Fluff" that would not sway me one way or another.
Look a bit harder at Jets, Systems, Filteration and even warranty than foo foo items on both spas.
Free financing (16 months)
Color choices
Fountain
Better Lighting
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Both are fine spas and well supported. The good news is neither will be a bad choice. I am confused as to the comment about the exterior cabinet. Our service tech that works on all brands, has told me the Cabinet that Marquis uses he feels is the best out there, the reason is the warranty, because unlike most others that covers their cabinets against cracking. Marquis is also covered against fading and warping which if something is going to happen it is much more likely to be this.
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By the way, did I miss something? I don’t see the Euphoria on Marquis’ website? Are we talking a 2004 Marquis Spa versus a 2005 Hotspring spa?
If that is the case, I would doubt we are talking apples to apples here and the major reason for the $2,000 dollar difference.
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By the way, did I miss something? I don’t see the Euphoria on Marquis’ website? Are we talking a 2004 Marquis Spa versus a 2005 Hotspring spa?
If that is the case, I would doubt we are talking apples to apples here and the major reason for the $2,000 dollar difference.
Good point. Also, are they also similarly sized, featured, etc.? Then again, maybe this person found the best spa for them from each dealer and maybe they're not apples to apples, so what. In the end the customer has to decide what is right for them for an item they'll have for the next 12+ yrs.
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Chris raises a good question...but even if the Grandee is a 2005 what has changed in the 2005 model that costs an additional $2K? Is he getting anything for that $2K or just paying for a new year?
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By the way, did I miss something? I don’t see the Euphoria on Marquis’ website? Are we talking a 2004 Marquis Spa versus a 2005 Hotspring spa?
If that is the case, I would doubt we are talking apples to apples here and the major reason for the $2,000 dollar difference.
Chris,
The Euphoria has been sitting on the dealer's showroom for 4-5 months. It has not been a demo, nor has water been in it (other than the factory). Do you think it is close to apples to Apples? Thanks
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The Grandee underwent a mid-year remake. Larger pumps, more jets.
Moto DX jets (the new dual motos)
If you want to save the most, see if there are any Early '05 spas left, otherwise be sure you are getting the tub you want.
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When will the 2006 models of spas be out and are there new features that would be worth waiting for?
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Being in direct competition with both spas here in Denver and donig extensive research and shopping, I would have to recommend the Hot Spring. You simply get everything that is wanted in a spa while I see the Marquis lacking in certain areas. Basing the spa purchase on the price of filters in the long run seems quite silly when you consider that you are buying a far better and more equipped sap in the Hot Spring!Good Luck! (of course this is my opinion as a Cal Spa person)
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When will the 2006 models of spas be out and are there new features that would be worth waiting for?
Depends on the spa, as for example....The Epic and the Grandee both were new or updated mid year so change is unlikey....while other spas might get freshen or new models introduced ....As for your Epic that is the top of the line Marquis and no changes are coming.
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I don't think you can go wrong with either. From what I can remember about the Grandee the seats didn't seem to be very deep to me. I liked the different seat depths in the Epic.
Go for the one that FEELS the best to YOU.
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jrl,
I don't think anyone can truly answer this for you but I'll throw my $.02 in with a couple basic statements:
1) If the cost difference is deal breaker for you and you really liked the Marquis go for it.
2) If the cost difference is not a deal breaker (as someone noted, the spa will last YEARS so you could think it as +$150/year over the spa's life) and you really liked the Hot Springs go for it.
3) If the cost difference is really an issue for you but you really liked the Hot Springs, see what they have in that $7k range.
4) Punt.
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The Grandee underwent a mid-year remake. Larger pumps, more jets.
Moto DX jets (the new dual motos)
If you want to save the most, see if there are any Early '05 spas left, otherwise be sure you are getting the tub you want.
In my opinion the Grandee is the better choice...if you enjoy both massages of course. The change in the '05 model did raise dealer costs rather substantially so the retail cost went up. See if your dealer has any early '05s left and you should be paying at least $500-$700 less. It would still be covered under full warranty and would be closer to the price of the Marquis.
I also agree with the many statements about higher costs being worth it if you like the spa more. Just remember to wet test both of them and compare dealerships...then make your choice! Good luck!
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I was actually on my way to buy the HS Vanguard when I decided to take a look at the new Epic. I am so happy I stopped to look at it. IMO you get more spa, better warranty, and a much better price with the Marquis. I also think that the spa I have sitting in my back yard is as good or better looking when compared to the HS. The lighting is fantastic and the biggest difference is it just felt better to sit in. They are both great tubs, my dad has had his HS for 10 years and it still works as good as the day he bought it, but in the end I saved $1,500 and got the tub that was right for my wife and I. Good Luck. ;D
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Marquis has a much more inclusive warranty, and less maintenance cost over time with filters, pillows and proprietary replacement parts.
Didn't we get into this a long time ago? I'll try and find that thread. IMO the tri-x fitlers are the cheapest to clean, last the longest, and give the most square footage of filtration. Filters are the largest regular cost (aside from electricity and chemicals) on a spa.
That set of 5 also last 7-10 years. WHy some people think more filters is a benefit is a different thread. The freshwater 3 system is pretty awesome, but there is already a thread on that, too.
But away from the marquis dealer and back to the poster...
You have to go with the hot tub that gives you the most comfortable massage. If that is the marquis tub, get the marquis tub.
I and others prefer the grandee, but it fits much better with my usage patterns (and open seating for me is a comfort must-have). Neither tub will self-destruct and there are plenty of people who fall fervently on either side of the fence.
-Ed
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Being in direct competition with both spas here in Denver and donig extensive research and shopping, I would have to recommend the Hot Spring. You simply get everything that is wanted in a spa while I see the Marquis lacking in certain areas. Basing the spa purchase on the price of filters in the long run seems quite silly when you consider that you are buying a far better and more equipped sap in the Hot Spring!Good Luck! (of course this is my opinion as a Cal Spa person)
I hope I can keep this freindly...From reading your comments here and on other boards....what you have pointed out in other posts about the Marquis short comings seem to come from not running all the jets at one time but I have read where you have also said you can not have all the seats operate at once and this is simply not true... in every Marquis spa you can have jet action of some type in every seat all at the same time ...It is when you want to isolate muscle groups or body areas that you can take your hydro therapy to another level and target those area with jets that are up to 40 gpm of water flow, no other therapy jet in the industry has this type of flow (excluding volcano/ or blaster foot jets) now this may not be everyones cup of tea, But the ability to isolate muscle groups for most who have it they would not go back to another way.....From a build stand point Marquis and only this year has one other manufacture matched them in plumbing thoroughness and that is having every fitting....Glued.....Barbed....clamped and all lines braided. There is no wood to ground contact in a Marquis spa, your spa will never sit in water and reabsorb it into itself ......Hot Springs again is a very fine product and as I mentioned in a earlier post here, You will not make a bad choice with either......
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Um...let me see--that was 5 definite votes for Marquis and 2 for HotSprings.
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Um...let me see--that was 5 definite votes for Marquis and 2 for HotSprings.
Both are fine spas and I think an owner would be equally happy with either choice, since once you have it you get comfortable and do not know the differences. There are only a few spas out there that I think for the most part , you can say this about. without getting into who they are. Bottom line is those who have the good reputation for taking care of there customers after the sale have earned those reputations and those who have the reputations that they must defend or rise above have also earned theirs.
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Chris,
The Euphoria has been sitting on the dealer's showroom for 4-5 months. It has not been a demo, nor has water been in it (other than the factory). Do you think it is close to apples to Apples? Thanks
Actually, no I do not think we are comparing apples to apples. It has nothing to do with the quality of Marquis Spas.
Unfortunately, the Marquis is a 2004 and I do not see the specifications for that unit, but I am going to assume it was/is as large as the Marquis Epic which is a 90 X 90 spa. The Grandee is 100 x 91. The Grandee would be a substantially larger spa. Secondly, if you were comparing 2005 units, my guess is that the Epic would cost just about the same as the Grandee (within $500).
In my opinion, comparing the Euphoria would be more like comparing the Hotspring Vanguard with is 87 X 87 and should cost about $8,000 for a 2005 unit.
Edited to add that the Marquis Euphoria is a 90 X 90 spa.
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http://www.marquisspas.com/spa_silver_euphoria.asp
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Unfortunately, the Marquis is a 2004 and I do not see the specifications for that unit, but I am going to assume it was/is as large as the Marquis Epic which is a 90 X 90 spa. The Grandee is 100 x 91. The Grandee would be a substantially larger spa. Secondly, if you were comparing 2005 units, my guess is that the Epic would cost just about the same as the Grandee (within $500).
First again let me say I think both are among the best makers out there, with regards to the specs and Hot Springs the outer dimensions of their spas are always larger than most but the reason is the housing for the moto massage, not a knock in any way just that you do necessarily not get more room inside at least not in the same way the spec would make one think. You simply have to build a larger cabinet to house the moto massage.
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That's interesting...at least for someone like me who looks at specs and thinks there's a big difference in 100x91 and 90x90.
We looked at tubs that had bigger dimensions in their specs yet didn't seem any larger than the Epic when it came to interior room.
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First again let me say I think both are among the best makers out there, with regards to the specs and Hot Springs the outer dimensions of their spas are always larger than most but the reason is the housing for the moto massage, not a knock in any way just that you do necessarily get more room inside at least not in the same way the spec would make one think. You simply have to build a larger cabinet to house the moto massage.
They can only put it in a corner seats due to the housing but I don't see how that affects the OD versus the ID of the spa. It is a good point though that anyone caring greatly about the useful area of a spa should compare IDs and not simply ODs.
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They can only put it in a corner seats due to the housing but I don't see how that affects the OD versus the ID of the spa. It is a good point though that anyone caring greatly about the useful area of a spa should compare IDs and not simply ODs.
Yes you are exactly right and that is why when you compare the interior of the spas they are much more in line with each other.....I think the reason why Hot Springs in most models is longer in one direction is for the moto massage housing.....
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A model from 4 or 5 months ago would be a 2005...It would have the same features for the most part as the brand new models.
Being in direct competition with both spas here in Denver and donig extensive research and shopping, I would have to recommend the Hot Spring. You simply get everything that is wanted in a spa while I see the Marquis lacking in certain areas. Basing the spa purchase on the price of filters in the long run seems quite silly when you consider that you are buying a far better and more equipped sap in the Hot Spring!Good Luck! (of course this is my opinion as a Cal Spa person)
You see the Marquis Lacking..??? Really? So in your “extensive research” what was it exactly that you found lacking? I’ve owned, sold, serviced and recently wet tested both models but I’m obviously missing something that your “extensive research” found….Please enlighten me! I might have to change brands afterwards…
BTW jrl3741,
The 16 month financing is costing your HS dealer about 5% for the next month and then it will go to 7%. You might use that as a negotiation tool.
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if you think the marquis euphoria is a great tub, then you haven't wet tested enough. don't know much about the hot springs model. but i did wet test the euphoria. wasn't too hard to beat.
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SO - I looked at the Marquis today ---
Here is my one problem..... the stereo system. I am placing my spa in a location that I am unable to wire sound from the home stereo. On the Marquis it must be wired to your home stereo ( or another external cd player), receiver, etc) As I understand it, basically the spa is simply a big speaker. If I could have a stereo system (marine grade or auto system) installed in the cabinet.... it would be a go.
Any ideas?
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A model from 4 or 5 months ago would be a 2005...It would have the same features for the most part as the brand new models.
You see the Marquis Lacking..??? Really? So in your “extensive research” what was it exactly that you found lacking? I’ve owned, sold, serviced and recently wet tested both models but I’m obviously missing something that your “extensive research” found….Please enlighten me! I might have to change brands afterwards…
BTW jrl3741,
The 16 month financing is costing your HS dealer about 5% for the next month and then it will go to 7%. You might use that as a negotiation tool.
Stuart its a fine product and your a gentleman, my post was an opinion thats all you have no reason to change brands. And may God bless you my brother!
My personal opinion is just that an opinion not that important! My preference is just that "My" preference and the customer should make his or her preference!
Ty for the info. on the 16 mos. finance I figured it was some where around 4.5% ! Thanks again!
As you know I sell Cals Spas so if I changed brands someone had an opinion about them different then mine I would have changed long ago! But I take pride in the product and rightfully so! Happy selling!
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Stuart its a fine product and your a gentleman, my post was an opinion thats all you have no reason to change brands. And may God bless you my brother!
My personal opinion is just that an opinion not that important! My preference is just that "My" preference and the customer should make his or her preference!
Ty for the info. on the 16 mos. finance I figured it was some where around 4.5% ! Thanks again!
As you know I sell Cals Spas so if I changed brands someone had an opinion about them different then mine I would have changed long ago! But I take pride in the product and rightfully so! Happy selling!
Sorry, I just can't let you bow out that easy! I really want specifics! In fact I would love to know how you think Cal compares to HS and why. It's really not fair to make a blanket statement like that without specifics.
Give us some justification for your statements.
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SO - I looked at the Marquis today ---
Here is my one problem..... the stereo system. I am placing my spa in a location that I am unable to wire sound from the home stereo. On the Marquis it must be wired to your home stereo ( or another external cd player), receiver, etc) As I understand it, basically the spa is simply a big speaker. If I could have a stereo system (marine grade or auto system) installed in the cabinet.... it would be a go.
Any ideas?
What were are doing for our customers is offering what I feel is more of a complete out door sound package...with a denon receiver, 2 pairs of Yamaha out door speakers ( for sound I would out them up against any outdoor speaker ) a CD/DVD player and a Sun-cast garden cart to keep them nice and dry in....most of our customers have their spas under a gazebo or under a patio and place 2 of the Yamaha's above the spa and than place the other 2 under the eves of the house ....I think you get more value and better equipment than you will get from any spa stereo and we do it for much less than the average stereo option costs...
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Yes you are exactly right and that is why when you compare the interior of the spas they are much more in line with each other.....I think the reason why Hot Springs in most models is longer in one direction is for the moto massage housing.....
Mendo, The moto-massage does take up extra space, but I don't think it takes up SO much extra space. I believe the grandee is larger, but it is easy to do an inner-diameter check against the two tubs.
For whoever said the spec size matters, it does not. The wet test matters. Go and wet test and take 2-3 people with you (preferably family!). When I wet tested the grandee it was with my wife and my brother-in-law. That let us determine how comfortable we would be if someone was to our right or left, how much foot space we would have, etc...
When my wife and I are on opposite sides of the grandee (corners or just sides) we can't touch our feet together. Does it matter if our feet are 2" or 10" apart?
Now, for a party, that's a different story and the bench seating of the grandee is awesome. I think I posted before we've had something like 9 people in the spa before, with comfort.
Your usage patterns and what you think is comfortable is going to have to break this tie.
The grandee has more filters and one less corner seat. It holds 500 gallons of water. The bench seating lets you fit more people comofrtably. It has the moto massage. It is 38" deep.
The marquis has fewer filters and one more corner seat. It holds 400 gallons of water. The molded seats look nice if you like molded seats. It is 35" deep (that right?).
There are plenty of differences to point out without getting into an argument. Give those differences I imagine that wet tests would give two distinct impressions on a wet tester and I would let that guide you.
-Ed
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ED,
You are right.....wet test both and see what you perfer...As for the specs, it was done sometime ago here that when measured the Marquis actually sat deeper in the deeper seat than HS....it was less than half inch....but it just points out that the outer dimensions are not going to always be reflective of the interior usable area of the spa...In the end you have 2 well made and well backed spas....that in the long haul most anyone would be Happy with....
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Sorry, I just can't let you bow out that easy! I really want specifics! In fact I would love to know how you think Cal compares to HS and why. It's really not fair to make a blanket statement like that without specifics.
Give us some justification for your statements.
Stuart I stated my opinion as asked by the customer. I refuse to debate you on this baord as every person selling different brands on these boards has a different opinion on the other guys spas, I like Hot Spring better and they are my biggest competitor in this area. Who is yours? I also ask why you have been persuing Dimension-1 so hard if you are so dedicated to marquis?
I could go to work for nearly any spa brand in town right now as I have friends in every arena. I choose Cal Spas and thats should speak for my stance on which spa is better against in the entire industry. I sell with all my heart with allegiance to my product, dealer and to my customers. I have for 11 years! My blanket statement on Marquis vs Hot Spring is just one mans opinion as you all have an entirely different opinion regarding Cal Spas and (its been well displayed here) and still I stay and represent them with integrity because I know the kind of service and product we provide. I have seen not one trace of the kinds of things I read about on these boards about cal Spas.
further, as a man of God I publically appologised on this board in referance to your busy summer, as I was wrong in that instance and I have yet to even see acknowledgement of that post. The God I serve is a man of forgiveness I thaught surely of all people on these boards you would understand that>
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I think all Stuart wants to know is what you think is lacking the the Marquis. You do not have to deabate it after you say it, but at least, when you are making a statement like that when trying to help a customer, it is good to go into specifics.
The customer learns nothing from "the Marquis seems to be lacking."
Now, if that statement was "the Marquis is lacking xxxx," then that would be beneficial.
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ED,
You are right.....wet test both and see what you perfer...As for the specs, it was done sometime ago here that when measured the Marquis actually sat deeper in the deeper seat than HS....it was less than half inch....but it just points out that the outer dimensions are not going to always be reflective of the interior usable area of the spa...In the end you have 2 well made and well backed spas....that in the long haul most anyone would be Happy with....
Way back stuart and I were doing some tub measurements and I measured the depth of the 2 moto massage chairs in the grandee. Oddly, they both measured the same from the seat to the top of the water line. I say odd because one seat was "deeper" than the other (water is mid-chest on one, and near the chin on the other).
So I measured the angles of the backs of the 2 moto corner seats and found that the deeper one has a more acute angle, and that is how it feels deeper. I wonder if Marquis does something similar.
Anyway, I'm just mentioning it to agree that there is very little one can get from specs!
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Stuart, why are you pursuing D1?
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Coloradocrusader,
Are you Spaman.com? Just curious if you changed your name on this board.
Stuart its a fine product and your a gentleman, my post was an opinion thats all you have no reason to change brands. And may God bless you my brother!
My personal opinion is just that an opinion not that important! My preference is just that "My" preference and the customer should make his or her preference!
Ty for the info. on the 16 mos. finance I figured it was some where around 4.5% ! Thanks again!
As you know I sell Cals Spas so if I changed brands someone had an opinion about them different then mine I would have changed long ago! But I take pride in the product and rightfully so! Happy selling!
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buy from the dealer you're most comfortable with. It will be a long relationship- good or bad
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I think all Stuart wants to know is what you think is lacking the Marquis. You do not have to deabate it after you say it, but at least, when you are making a statement like that when trying to help a customer, it is good to go into specifics.
The customer learns nothing from "the Marquis seems to be lacking."
Now, if that statement was "the Marquis is lacking xxxx," then that would be beneficial.
EXACTLY!! Thanks Sergi, I couldn’t have said it better myself…
Crusader,
It doesn’t matter who’s forgiving whom nor whether your Christian or not, what matters is that you made a blanket statement that serves no one and sounded more like an opinionated jab than an educated observation.
I don’t have time nor energy to debate like I did last year but I do cringe at opinions stated without factual observation supporting them.
Stuart, why are you pursuing D1?
I’ve actually sold D1 longer than Marquis but have just been back with D1 for the last 2 years. I think both have a lot to offer but mostly I wanted to hit that higher end customer that the Bay Series and AFS attract in the D1 line. So far I think we sell as many or more of Bay collection than most D1 dealers.
buy from the dealer you're most comfortable with. It will be a long relationship- good or bad
Now that’s good advice!!
Finally,
Many of those posting here know me and my background...For those that don't I have stated many times the many facets of the industry I have been involved in for the better part of 17 years. I can appreciate the passion of people like Ed for his choice of product to use and CC for the emotional attachment to what make his pocket book work but at the same time I'm amazed at the myopic views that many have over everything else out there.
Ed, you do this for a hobby and I have made it my life all of these years. I have fed my family, bought homes and paid for children’s education with the proceeds from my ability to profit at this...So I just have to wonder at the fact that you still seem to take me as someone less educated and knowledgeable than yourself because of your shopping and ownership experience?
I've got to tell you, I rarely argue with my physician even though I'm pretty knowledgeable of my body, he's still the expert.
HotSpring should give you an award for the effort you put forth here (they should offer belts for spa debates? You’d be nearing a black belt.)
As you passionately defend and attack for the brand you love remember that at one time I too thought HotSpring was the only spa to own or sell. I’ve had more than one opportunity since then to go back to that and haven’t so it must not be so bad here on the other side….
So back to the beginning, the things that where listed as pros on the Marquis where for the most part viable reasons to buy a spa. The pro’s listed for the HotSpring where IMO, secondary.
For $2000 difference I think anyone would be foolish to not go for the Marquis if those where the major value points to them.