Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: graice on August 29, 2005, 10:50:22 am
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We are soon to be buying our first tub so I am so glad to have found this group!
We have three dealers in our area so if we want to avoid buying from the big box retailers ( and I think we do) our choices are limited to Marquis, Hot springs and Great Lakes. Have taked seriously to both Marquis and Hot Springs about smaller to mid-size spas. We are wet testing a marquis Quest tomorrow and have not seen that model mentioned anywhere on the forum so I am wondering if anyone is familiar with it. We have been quoted a price of 6300(pre-tax). We would also like to test the hot spring but when asking the dealer about price he insisted that we put a 100 dollar deposit down (refundable) or the prices would only be good for that day and he also only had his largest tub for testing. Seemed like a red flag to me but I'd like to know if that kind of sales deal is common. Any opinions would be welcome. Thanks
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The Hot springs dealer seems very hard to deal with. However, it's a great brand, so you may want to plunk down the $100 and do the wet test, however, I'd ask him first off if you're plunking down the $100, get him to fill up the tub you're really interested in. Say you've narrowed it down to his tub and another and see if that helps.
Mark
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As long as that $100 is refundable go ahead. The dealer probably just wants to be sure you're serious and not just making him go through hoops to fill a spa and ready it for the wet test (lot of work). People think they should be able to wet test anything they want but the work to do so is a pain, well worth it for a serious buyer but not so much for a looky-loo person.
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Agreed. Good points spatech. If you're ready to make a buying decision , then definitely go for it, as long as it's refundable. Maybe use your credit card, so you have some protection.
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The way I read it, he wanted $100 bucks to talk price, not to fill another tub. Graice - perhaps you can clarify. Was the HS dealer willing to fill a different tub as part of the $100 deposit or; was it just to talk price; or was it both?
As a buyer, I would consider it mostly reasonable to get a $100 deposit to fill a tub you were very interested in if it was inconvenient to fill it. We tested some models at Sundance and they just siphon water from tub to tub (scheduled in advance no deposit was required). As a buyer, I would be put off if asked to pony up $100 merely to talk price.
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We tested some models at Sundance and they just siphon water from tub to tub (scheduled in advance no deposit was required).
True, but a lot of water remains in the plumbing where you can't see it. If that water is not evacuated it'll trn nasty over time. After you left, spomeone had some work to do to fully drain that and clean it out.
If the deposit is for wet testing a dry spa or to hold a sale price (very typical) that will be coming to an end and it's refundable then I would understand it.
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IMHO anyone who is willing to wet test is serious about buying a tub, it took us over a year to get up the courage to wet test cause we wanted to make sure we were ready to buy a tub if we liked it. I don't know though how other people are though.
Let's here from a dealers point of view...Do you get alot of people wanting to wet test who are just looking??
Ray
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Thanks for the input. Just to clarify, the $100 was to hold the price. My understanding was that wet testing the smaller tub was not an option.
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True, but a lot of water remains in the plumbing where you can't see it. If that water is not evacuated it'll trn nasty over time. After you left, spomeone had some work to do to fully drain that and clean it out.
If the deposit is for wet testing a dry spa or to hold a sale price (very typical) that will be coming to an end and it's refundable then I would understand it.
"Prices good only for that day" smells of used car-ism. Perhaps not, but unless factory subsidies were ending that day, that price should be good until tomorrow or the next or next or....... It's a poor sales tactic in my opinion. If you have to bribe them for a price, what will you have to do to get service if needed? It would definitely put me off, especially if other dealers were not doing the same. I encounted no such attitude at my HS dealer and am not putting the HS spa down in any way.
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"Prices good only for that day" smells of used car-ism. Perhaps not, but unless factory subsidies were ending that day, that price should be good until tomorrow or the next or next or....... It's a poor sales tactic in my opinion. If you have to bribe them for a price, what will you have to do to get service if needed? It would definitely put me off, especially if other dealers were not doing the same. I encounted no such attitude at my HS dealer and am not putting the HS spa down in any way.
Good point. What it really means IMO is anyone can get that price for that sale time. After that if may be attainable but you have to haggle to get it. For me and others like me, there is no difference but for people like my wife there is a difference as she admittedly is allergic to haggling whereas I consider most everything in life to be negotiable.
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It sounds to me like the Great Lakes dealer deserves a chance to earn your business. The Hot Springs guy has a bad case of hubris.
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BE CAREFUL...i put $500 down on an optima last year and the guy that poured our deck robbed us so we took him to court as he didnt structurally do the pad for the hotub or the stamped patio//it just got resolved ..but when i called the dealer to tell him the situation he said no refunds- we were set to do the 1 yr no intrest no payment thing - i pleaded to refund the 500 untill this was sorted out but he said no....in fact the salesman still calls us and says.."hows the spa doing"...GEEZ...
anyhow i plan to go back into that dealer within the week and see if he will honor the contract now(for an optima) as we had the pad repoured and done correctly along with the stamped patio....i have a feeling they will either say....too bad or..."this tube has gone up $1000 now so if you pay that price we will honor it!!!!!
I told this dealer numerous times every month or 2 about the status of our situation..we cannot do anything till the whole court process is finished and it may take a year!!! so they put the Optima back in stock and told me to call them when its settled...we will see!!!!
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I love hot springs spas, but $100 to hold a price is just silly. This dealer needs to know that you are both a serious and intelligent buyer.
People on this board may be able to give you info on whether this dealer's prices are in the ballpark for your general geographical area. Beyond that, remember this is the guy who is going to be doing your service if anything goes wrong on the tub.
At our hot springs dealer, we had a pushy salesguy-type who turned us off. We asked when he worked and he gave us his schedule and we came back one day to talk tubs when he was not in. 8) We got the actual owner of the store and liked him much better. So, try another sales guy, maybe it's just a single person's approach and not indicative of the dealership as a whole.
-Ed
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Graice,
Just courious did this salesman say "if you could buy a better hot tub I will double your purchase price". Acting like Hot spring is so superior of a spa that he will actualy give you money twice what you paid for a different brand hot tub if you could find one better than Hot Springs?
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I'd be curious as to why a dealer would require you to put money down first. For me, I'm more than happy to let prospective customers try out any tub they want. It may take some work, but it's well worth it. I'd ask around your town and find out what kind of reputation the Hot Spring dealer has. He's got a great product, but the after sales relationship should not be overlooked.
One other thing to consider, I've heard of people posing as customers just to get a free soak in a hot tub. They tend to be younger people, but not always. Who knows, maybe he's run into a lot of that and wants to keep the users to a minimum.
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One other thing to consider, I've heard of people posing as customers just to get a free soak in a hot tub. They tend to be younger people, but not always. Who knows, maybe he's run into a lot of that and wants to keep the users to a minimum.
Sounds like a potential sales opportunity to me.
Wonder how many of your sales came from those who "just came in to browse" vs the serious shoppers.
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Exactly my point, Brewman! I had one very recent sale strictly because I offered them a wet test with no strings. They didn't seem that interested at first, but after they came back for the wet test, they decided they wanted that tub at their house. Like I said, I don't know why the other dealer would do that, but I know I wouldn't want to come across like that.
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Dealing with dealers/sales people and dealing with consumers/shoppers in this scenario have one thing in common, they are both DEALING each other.
Ebirrane found a way to deal with a situation successfully and did it in a self serving manner that did not destroy his potential to consider that spa. I might suggest the $100 approach is a way for the dealer/salesperson to deal with, or "read" the reactions of someone who may have wet tested other spas with out making a decision and a serious shopper. The response or reaction would be helpful in understanding the potential result and could even be a smoke screen.
Obviously, his statement drew a reaction and he may have been playing you for that reaction to determine your level of serious intent. He is simply trying to qualify your interest. Let him know if your offended and ask him the reason or purpose of such a committment. If you feel it, say it.
While I support the water testing and we do go the extra mile to fill spas that are not filled, I have read threads that have set records on water testing when the person knowingly will only buy one. However the pursuit is which one, I know. But, when you water test 15 spas to buy one that leaves 14 salespeople hoping to fulfill your expectations that have wasted their time and efforts and probably will never know the final outcome either.
I think the water testing should be the "clincher" between 2 or 3 final choices and should not require a deposit. But, when some people, and they do, water test numerous spas without serious interest or intent in buying until they water test 10 more, it makes it very frustrating to those in this business who try to please the consumer, to watch them walk out without making a committment and never return your phone calls. I think they should at least be willing to inform you of their final decision.
Who wants to waste time persuing uninterested people that do not respect the time and efforts that were provided for their purpose in the hopeful expectation of a sale.
Statistics stated on this board indicate less than 5% of shoppers actually water test before buying, but yet it seems the overwhelming majority of people on this board strongly encourage water testing before buying. That seems disporpotionate.
I wonder why that is? ???
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I don't know how all the dealers feel about this, but this is where I stand on wet tests.
COME ON IN as many times as you want to! I'm not going to ask you for $100 to test your seriousness. I understand that the reason you are here is because you are seriously considering buying my product. I WANT you to buy my product because you will enjoy it. If you're still wet testing at my store, that means I am still in the game.
You see, I understand my place in the world. I am selling luxury products that everyone wants but only some are able to afford. I will cater to you and treat you as a guest. I want you to have a great experience so that you will tell your friends about that "good ol' boy down there sellin' Hot Springs jacuzzies". I'm not going to play games with you, I'm going to answer your questions "Yes Ma'am" and "No Sir".
Don't think for a minute I'll put up with any Mickey Mouse BS either. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Those folks seem to be few and far between.
Terminator
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I don't know how all the dealers feel about this, but this is where I stand on wet tests.
COME ON IN as many times as you want to! I'm not going to ask you for $100 to test your seriousness. I understand that the reason you are here is because you are seriously considering buying my product. I WANT you to buy my product because you will enjoy it. If you're still wet testing at my store, that means I am still in the game.
You see, I understand my place in the world. I am selling luxury products that everyone wants but only some are able to afford. I will cater to you and treat you as a guest. I want you to have a great experience so that you will tell your friends about that "good ol' boy down there sellin' Hot Springs jacuzzies". I'm not going to play games with you, I'm going to answer your questions "Yes Ma'am" and "No Sir".
Don't think for a minute I'll put up with any Mickey Mouse BS either. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Those folks seem to be few and far between.
Terminator
Sounds good. Will you fill and refill a model for a customer multiple times or do you have all HS models dry and wet on the floor?
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Sounds good. Will you fill and refill a model for a customer multiple times or do you have all HS models dry and wet on the floor?
I don't have enough room in my store to have them all wet and all dry at the moment. When we increase the store size, I'll try to do what I can. Right now, I've got a Grandee, Vista, Envoy, Accolade, Sovereign, Prodigy, Sumatran, and Solana TX wet.
As far as filling and refilling, you bet I will! Only had to do it once, but it's easy as pie. People in this area are generally pretty resonable and easygoing. They've usually got enough sense to make up their mind rather quickly. ;D
Terminator
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Terminator, why are you sitting on a hot tub brandishing and automatic weapon, you seem like such a nice guy? Is this a closing tool? ;D???
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SEMI-automatic weapon, and I am a nice guy. 8) I also handle customer complaints!
Terminator
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Nice touch, Terminator! Good catch on the semi-auto.
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Rumor has it, in my area the Bullfrog dealer charges for wet tests. Not just a refundable deposit on a model, charge for the actual wet test. I think it was $10 or something. I felt this was somewhat outrageous.
When I was shopping, all dealers I seriously considered allowed and encouraged wet testing. (wouldn't have thought about it until I started reading here and on other boards) In one store, one of the salespeople told me I was the first person in my city he had ever seen wet test.
My final 2 choices got multiple wet tests. In fact, the LA Spa dealer researched the HotSpring Vanguard I was leaning toward, and matched it to the ones in the LA line that were comparable in depth and seating. I tested 3-4 in her shop that day! Finally decided on the Vanguard, because hubby liked the looks of it better (he refused to wet test). It was so close, and HotSpring is such a great product, I went with it. I couldn't have gone wrong with the LA though, I still think it was a great spa.
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The worst thing a sales person can do is to try and pre-judge a customer.
I have been making very large purchases for a long time. When I was young, 18+, I often came across sales people who pre-judged me or just didn’t want to help me.
It was always nice to give the sale to a different sales person who was nicer, willing to help me, in the same store or car dealer.
The thing that gets me here is the amount. $100 is trivial when you’re looking at a $6K+ tub so the only thing this does is test the waters between the store and customer. Some people don’t think twice and others are offended.
I know there are "real sales" that are factory backed with incentives but the HS dealer by me changes their sign ever week with a new sale. All hype!
Aside from pricing tactics, all dealers should operate like these guys. They will fill any tub at any time and will always offer you a cold drink during your wet test. I know you all can’t operate like that but my point here is to give credit to these guys.
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My final 2 choices got multiple wet tests. In fact, the LA Spa dealer researched the HotSpring Vanguard I was leaning toward, and matched it to the ones in the LA line that were comparable in depth and seating. I tested 3-4 in her shop that day! Finally decided on the Vanguard, because hubby liked the looks of it better (he refused to wet test).
Looks like the LA dealer went above and beyond to earn the right to your business. Sounds similar to another poster who wet tested a long list of spas and hubby made the decision refusing to wet test. While I am sure wet testing may have influenced the decision, in many instances what's not to like, it appears that most of the final decisions are based on looks and other issues without a wet test.
No offense intended or implied, but all of this wet testing is done by less than 5% of the shoppers, maybee even less, that actually do wet test. They must really put the dealers through the hoops, when 95% of the buyers make their decisions without a test soak.
It appears the odds are in favor of wet testing. 95% don't and 5% do, and the dealers could have it a whole lot worse if the numbers were reversed. However, with $100 deposits and $10 wet testing fees, it appears that some dealers are trying to qualify the soakers interest or just getting tired of the soakers and are trying to discourage them.
Observations seem to indicate a whole lot of wet testing does not result in a sale or a reward for the effort. Just out of curiosity, after water testing, don't they ask you to buy or try to close the sale? ???
How do you handle that? ???
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I love wet testers! If they are prepared to walk around half naked in my store with other people around, I call that a very serious buyer. The percentage of customers that buy after a wet test is far higher than non testers.
And I always ask for the sale when they are in the spa. If you are still undecided and want to still shop around, just say so, no good sales person is going to get pushy with you because you are not sure. I encourage people to shop around, if you like me and like my product, you'll come back.
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The LA Dealer did go above and beyond. It was a close race. I know I would have been happy with either tub. She tried to sell it to me, I wanted my husband to at least see the tub in person. He had already seen the HotSpring. Hubby gave me the choice, but when it came down to it, it was an even break between the 2. The real deciding point was the HotSpring dealer had been in busines for 25 or so years and hubby felt they would be more reliable. The LA dealer (I actually dealt with the owner) had only been around for a couple of years at the time. And hubby doesn't use the tub, except maybe 2 times a year, complains about the heat! It makes me happy, that is the important thing!
I have bought chemicals from the LA dealer, on occasion. She is a lot closer to me. Plus, my HotSpring dealer doesn't sell tubs anymore. Just pools. The LA dealer continues to be great! At one point, I wished I could afford to buy both tubs, I didn't want either one to lose a sale!
I love my Vanguard! I'm so happy I bought a tub, I don't know why I waited so long!
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People seeking the best spa for them (or look here first) wet test. Everyone else will be happy because warm bubbly water feels good, but they won't know how good because they made an expensive impulse buy. I tested already wet tubs. You can get an idea what the mfr offers. If you like the tub line and dealer and are interested in another tub that is not wet, then I would say it's OK to request it filled. To have them fill to "play" is not right in my opinion.