Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: msgreek on July 01, 2005, 03:13:15 pm
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Ok...Now that my spa is due to arrive within 14 days can we start a new thread regarding chlorine or Bromide (proper word or spelling???). My Jacuzzi sales rep promotes the Bromide (or Baqua Spa) but another spa rep had tons of negatives against the Bromide.
My concerns will be either’s affect on skin and clothing and of course the smell. Are there other hidden issues I should consider?
Many thanks in advance for advice to a newbie :-/ ??? ???
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msgreek:
I use bromine in my Coleman because I do not like the smell of clorine and it seems to have an ill effect on my skin, where as bromine doesn't so far...I use my tub alot about 5-6 times per day so I wanted something that wouldn't be adversely affected by my hot tub useage. Hope this helps
Backpains (still calling myself that guys and my next thread will tell you all why)
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Bromine does tend to have an odor that sticks with you a tiny bit, doesn't really bother me. It's also relatively easy once you get the level correct. Not a daily routine.
Chlorine is cheaper, but seems to take a bit more daily routine. I know lots of people perfectly happy using dichlor. My newest spa aquaintance went from Baqua, to Brilliance, to dichlor. He likes the chlorine routine best so far.
Stay away from Baquaspa.
My $0.02.
Brewman
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As the almost always nuetral moderator ;) I've frequently advised, go with what the dealer starts you with until you have a reason to change. I've observed lot of people who found one worked better for them than the other and about an equal number on each side of that fence. That said, some of these really sneaky dastardly dealers will throw a wrench in my plan by offering you a choice ahead of time.
Damm those dealers and their bag of tricks!
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As the almost always nuetral moderator ;) I've frequently advised, go with what the dealer starts you with until you have a reason to change. I've observed lot of people who found one worked better for them than the other and about an equal number on each side of that fence. That said, some of these really sneaky dastardly dealers will throw a wrench in my plan by offering you a choice ahead of time.
Damm those dealers and their bag of tricks!
LOL mccall damn them to heck right? the decision is really one of a personal nature really, I always thought it was clorine or nothing but, I guess not.
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So from what I am understanding so far, Baqua, Brilliance or dichlor are alternatives to chlorine ? All three fall within the Bromide catagory?
Since this is my first spa I'm feeling in need to learn everything possible.
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Dichlor IS chlorine.......Baqua is biguinide.......Brilliance is a brand name I'm not familiar with so I can't help there. I can confidently tell that the first two are absolutely NOT bromine.
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Dichlor = chlorine (for spas)
Brilliance = Bromine (my understanding)
Baqua Spa = neither of the above, biguanide
I use Dichlor and have since day one. Never really had any issues, so I am sticking with it! That is just me!
Just remember, relax and enjoy! That is what you are getting the spa for, right? Whatever chemical regimine you go with, be patient, take it slow, don't over think it!
You will be just fine!
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We got our Optima last July and went against the dealer's advice and chose to use dichlor. We had done extensive research and the dealer wasnt answering our questions correctly half the time, so we trusted ourselves. It was a great decision for us. The only water issue we've had in a year now is when the tub was new we would get slight clouding in the water after 30days or so. That hasnt happened in months now, no idea why. Our water routine with dichlor really could not be any simpler, in fact at least once a week I am amazed at how easy it is to own a spa.
We keep our chems to a minimum, the Leisure Time people have some routine that has owners adding one of three chems every other day, that is probably why our water was cloudy. We stopped doing that and have clear, beautiful water since.
When we drain the spa (somewhere between 70-100 days, depends on usage) we always use 1/2bottle of Swirl Away before letting the old water out. I know it may be overkill doing it every drain, but I figure its good insurance that nothing will have a chance to start growing. We drain that out after a few hours, wipe the tub down, wax it every other drain. We fill her up, add Metal Gone 1/2way thru fill, then add Spa Defender after a few hours, then usually add some Alk up too which one dose will correct my tap water's pH and Alk. We always shock the new water (after getting in of course, who can resist a hot tub of NEW water?) We add 1tsp dichlor for each user in the tub daily, and we shock with dichlor every Sunday evening...for us, just shy of 3TBL is the right amount. I add Spa Defender every other week, and once in great while a splash of clarifier. I have to add 1.5TBL pH up each week a few days after shocking. Thats all folks...a few chems here and there and water stays great. So, to make a short story even longer, we love our dichlor and cant praise it enuf.
PS--someone here commented about a chlorine odor with dichlor, I think if you use too much or add it before your tub time maybe, but we add dichlor at night when done with spa, and by next morning I dont notice any heavy chlorine smell. Water just smells crisp and clean. Never have had a scum line yet or any skin problems. Love my dichlor!
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Granular bromine...not tablet. Big difference between the two. Di-Chlor works well too. You can regenerate bromine by shocking.
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Wow...thanks so much to everyone for all the information. I'll be keeping all the posts for future references. It all seems pretty straight forth but since this is my first spa I'm feeling a little intimidated. At the same time my spa is being delivered my in-ground pool is being converted over to salt water. Talk about learning two different processes at the same time ???
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I thought that the baqua spa voided the warrenty of sundance and jacuzzie? at least that is what my brother who owns a jacuzzie told me not to get when I get mine.
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Granular bromine...not tablet. Big difference between the two. Di-Chlor works well too. You can regenerate bromine by shocking.
Funny thing is, most powdered bromines are 60-85% dichlor with the remainder being sodium bromide and fillers.
Brilliance from what I understand is an exception althoughI have not seen this product in person. There website does not explain what is in it. I would love it if some one could list the ingredients of Brilliance as they appear on the front (or back) of the label.
Other than that, there is really no escaping chlorine. Bromine tablets and powder are made using some for of stabilized chlorine.
Users of Nature II still need some dichlor.
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Wow...thanks so much to everyone for all the information. I'll be keeping all the posts for future references. It all seems pretty straight forth but since this is my first spa I'm feeling a little intimidated. At the same time my spa is being delivered my in-ground pool is being converted over to salt water. Talk about learning two different processes at the same time ???
My brother’s pool is salt water. It's great it!!!
It's not like the ocean its more like a softener. When I get a pool salt water is the way I'm going.
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Salt water in your pool? I think what you're looking at is a chlorine generator - chlorine is generated by the electrolysis of salts.
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Salt water in your pool? I think what you're looking at is a chlorine generator - chlorine is generated by the electrolysis of salts.
You’re probably right. I have not researched it but I know my brother uses bags of salt or salt substance and does not poor liquid chlorine in his pool.
My skin feels great and my eyes never burn.
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You’re probably right. I have not researched it but I know my brother uses bags of salt or salt substance and does not poor liquid chlorine in his pool.
My skin feels great and my eyes never burn.
:o :o I have never heard of that WOW! Does anyone have any more info on this?
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Salt water pools are become very popular in my neck of the woods. Apparently you need to convert the pool over to salt. From what I understand you have to add a different filter, (I could be wrong). My wifes friend just switched and said that she loves it. No more chlorine. It is not like salt water ocean style. It is just like a filtered water. No smell from what I hear and great on the skin. I wonder if you can do this with the hot tub?
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Nop....When converting chlorine pool to saltwater you keep the same filter but need to add a salinator which is approximately $500.00 in the Southern California area. I also checked if my pool's plumbing needed to be changed. The pool contractor suggested the plumbing be ABS.
Regarding someone’s post of Jacuzzi's warranty being void if using baqua.....No... The Jacuzzi dealership recommended using baqua and will be giving me 1 month's free dosage.
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Nop....When converting chlorine pool to saltwater you keep the same filter but need to add a salinator which is approximately $500.00 in the Southern California area. I also checked if my pool's plumbing needed to be changed. The pool contractor suggested the plumbing be ABS.
Regarding someone’s post of Jacuzzi's warranty being void if using baqua.....No... The Jacuzzi dealership recommended using baqua and will be giving me 1 month's free dosage.
I am VERY interested we are thinking of putting a inground pool next year. I have to do some research..........
Gary
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There are salt water pools and then there are salt water generators which convert salt that you add to chlorine.
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where does spagard sot soak fit into the comparison?
i was on chlorine tabs in old spa. bought new one a few months ago, and went with dealer recommended soft soak program. its supposed to be both chlorin/bromine free? i know its great in the water, no smell, and easy on the skin. i believe it costs a bit more, but the wife had a bad reaction to bromine in a friends tub a while back, so i opted to try try out spagard stuff.
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There are salt water pools and then there are salt water generators which convert salt that you add to chlorine.
Actually, through electrolosis, the salt is turned into a bi-product of chlorine (Hypochlorus acid). This process is done by using a chlorine generator. Zodiac, Auto-Pilot etc... These pools carry about a 2500-5500 ppm of salt in the water. Normal pool equipment can be used on these pools. True salt water pools act in the same way however they use ocean water (obiously salt water pools are located near the ocean). Ocean water has a salt content of about 35,000-55,000 ppm, depending on the ocean, so since that environment is very harsh on pool equipment, special equipment must be purchased ($$$$$$$) in order for it to withstand the harsh environment. Common chlorine that most use in there pools is created the same way, just on a much larger scale. ;)
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Actually, through electrolosis, the salt is turned into a bi-product of chlorine (Hypochlorus acid).
Slight correction. Hypochlorus acid is a gas.
Salt water generator make Sodium Hypo-chloride...aka liquid chlorine.
Many commercial pools use Hypochlorus acid, it is delivered to them in large cylinders, similair the type that would hold oxygen or helium.
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So from what I am understanding so far, Baqua, Brilliance or dichlor are alternatives to chlorine ? All three fall within the Bromide catagory?
Since this is my first spa I'm feeling in need to learn everything possible.
Back to the original question. If you do a search here, you will find some good discussions of different sanitizer options. There was one a month or two ago where dealers reported what they use and why. Also, go over to Doc Spa's site, rhtubs.com. There are several resources on there that address basic chemical issues, especially in the FAQ section. I'd also recommend considering a supplemental sanitizing system like Nature 2, Spa Frog, and/or ozone, which can reduce the amount of sanitizer needed, and provide a safety net while you get whichever routine you select perfected.
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Slight correction. Hypochlorus acid is a gas.
No correction needed HotTubMan. As salt travels over the cell it is instantaneously turned into hypochlorus acid. No matter the type of chlorine, Di-chlor, Tri-chlor, Sodium Hypo-Chlorite, Lithium etc... They all turn into the active sanitizer which is Hypochlorus Acid...
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SpaGuard Soft Soak is a biguanide, like Baqua Spa. Some love it, others hate it.
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Wow pkud, I'm very impressed with your chemical savvy. 8)