Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Gary1911 on March 30, 2005, 04:29:30 pm
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1st let me say I have NOT wet tested either one.So I am trying to do alot of research before getting wet and bothering the dealers. ;) I have looked at the Master LSX and did like it but there seems to be some very mixed reviews about Master soooooooo. I really like the HS Vista and was told to check out the Envoy. This being the GREAT place it is I will ask here 1st. Biggest difference? Price, jets ,etc . Which of you actually have one or the other and why did you chose one over the other? Thats all my questions for now :o Thanks Gary
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I like the Envoy better than the Vista. My opinion only.
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Is this propguy from AR-15.com by any chance? If so, this is Spa King from over there. Welcome and I'm sure you'll get a lot of feedback from the folks on this board.
Terminator
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I think they are both great choices. We bought a Vista 5 days ago and love it. We liked the looks of the Envoy but did not wet test. The Vista has larger pumps 2.5 hp the Envoy 2 hp and is a little larger. We where intrested in the Envoy until the dealer sold us the Vista at almost the same price. We done a lot of reserch before we bought. I beleve you could not go wrong with the Vista or the Envoy they both have alot of power and are great tubs. Wet test both and choose the one that best for you.
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Is this propguy from AR-15.com by any chance? If so, this is Spa King from over there. Welcome and I'm sure you'll get a lot of feedback from the folks on this board.
Terminator
;) ;) ;) ;) Damn my cover has been blown!!!!
Yea its me thanks to all of your suggestions and the link to this site I am seriously looking at the HS. It's not a done deal but am scheduling a wet test this weekend if I get caught up on my work :-/. Thanks again for all the typing you put your fingers through ;D. Any other suggestions of what to ask for in the deal end of this ,ozone,cover lift,etc etc. Thanks PG[aka Gary1911] ;) ;)
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Well I just got off the phone with the dealer[last night]
HS Vista with cover and lift , ozone, startup chems, and delivery 9075 its an 05. Also he had a demo 04 on the floor in blue :-/ for 8300 Iit had been a demo for 4 months they said...... hmmmm I dont think thats a great deal do you???? ??? My concrete guy is coming out today to quote the pad .
Sorry for all the edits I MUST GET MOOOORRRRE COFFEE ;D ;D ;D
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Gary,
First let me say that I looked at both the Envoy and the Vista as well as the Cameo/Optima when I was searching. I don't think you could go wrong with any of them--it's more about how the spa feels to you.
With that out of the way, let me say I'm a VERY pleased owner of an '04 LSX. I received it in July, '04 and it has been perfect and issue free thus far (knock on acrylic!) Please do not be misled by those that tend to knock MasterSpas at this site. Any one of them will tell you that the spa itself is a solid performer. The biggest problem most have revolves around MS marketing. With this said, if you wet test the LSX, find it to be the one for you, and have confidence in your dealer, there is absolutely no reason not to enjoy one in your own home as I do. If you haven't already, read my review here (http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/cgi-bin/reviews.cgi?view=product&pid=235&rid=368&pg=3&sort=&search=).
Good luck and happy hunting! 8)
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HS Vista with cover and lift , ozone, startup chems, and delivery 9075 its an 05.
That sounds like a good price. I love my Vista. You are getting a great Hot Tub
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Gary,
First let me say that I looked at both the Envoy and the Vista as well as the Cameo/Optima when I was searching. I don't think you could go wrong with any of them--it's more about how the spa feels to you.
With that out of the way, let me say I'm a VERY pleased owner of an '04 LSX. I received it in July, '04 and it has been perfect and issue free thus far (knock on acrylic!) Please do not be misled by those that tend to knock MasterSpas at this site. Any one of them will tell you that the spa itself is a solid performer. The biggest problem most have revolves around MS marketing. With this said, if you wet test the LSX, find it to be the one for you, and have confidence in your dealer, there is absolutely no reason not to enjoy one in your own home as I do. If you haven't already, read my review here (http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/cgi-bin/reviews.cgi?view=product&pid=235&rid=368&pg=3&sort=&search=).
Good luck and happy hunting! 8)
Thanks Windsurf I had read your review a couple of days ago. Great job on that. I am tending to lean away from the LSX because of the 4 pumps. I am sure they are well utilized but I am in the Northeast and fuels bills are already ridiculous >:( >:( . I don't need the extra cost of running this thing with that being said I will wet test it just to make sure and do some research on the motors, I have sat in the LSX dry and it WAS like sitting in a sports car ;D ;D :o. Thanks for the review and comments. Gary
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Don't let the pump thing scare you.
It may be possible that it is actually more efficient to run than you think. I don't know how the LSX is plumbed but if your by yourself and one pump is on - it could be less expensive.
Also, if your entertaining and have a spa full of people - 4 pumps may be the thing you want or need. I'm not saying anything negative about Vista or Envoy, I don't know how their plumbed either.
Just my 2 cents!
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The Vista and the Envoy are two awesome spas. I'm only saying that because it's true.
The big differences between the two are the size. They both have the new dual MotoMassage.
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(Reposted - I goofed !)
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The Vista and the Envoy are two awesome spas. I'm only saying that because it's true.
The big differences between the two are the size and the fact that the Envoy has the new dual MotoMassage.
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The Vista doesnt :o Oh NO This could be a Problem :o :o :o
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If you are inebriated, it looks like it does, but it doesn't....
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UPDATE: I don't know what or how but I posted wrong info here: the Vista has the dual Moto feature.
Sorry !
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If you are inebriated, it looks like it does, but it doesn't....
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Now Chas, where are you getting your information from? We all know you don't drink anything harder than Coca-Cola!
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If you are inebriated, it looks like it does, but it doesn't....
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It seems they are saying it does on the web site. I will see in person Monday. If not they should make there claims more clear.
The Vista includes the Moto-Massage® DX Jet, the BellaFontana™ water feature, and the optiona
Learn more about
our exclusive jets... 1 Moto-Massage® DX Jet (2), 2 Soothing Seven® Jets,
2 JetStream® Jets, 2 Rotary Hydromassage Jets,
5 Directional Hydromassage Jets, 10 HydroStream™ Jets,
2 Rotary Precision® Jets, 22 Directional Precision® Jets
I hope your thinking of the 04 then again I havent actually seen one :(
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2005 vista has dual motomassage in the lounger
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Gary1911, My 05 Vista DOES have dual moto. The Vista is not only larger, but also has more powerful pumps than the envoy. They are both great tubs.
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Envoy has dual moto massage also. It also has 3 foot jets. Vista has 2 foot jets. My wife is short and could not reach the foot jets in the Vista. She could reach the foot jets in the Envoy better. The Vista has 1 more seat than the Envoy with 8 small jets but you sit under the water feature in that seat. They both are great tubs!!
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Now Chas, where are you getting your information from? We all know you don't drink anything harder than Coca-Cola!
Cold medication.
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Cold medication.
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Ok, you scared me for a minute there! You know, I bet that cold medicine knocks you out cold! :) ;D
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Cold medication.
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Whew Thats some good stuf ya takin there! ;D Thanks for the replys Gary
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Thanks Windsurf I had read your review a couple of days ago. Great job on that. I am tending to lean away from the LSX because of the 4 pumps. I am sure they are well utilized but I am in the Northeast and fuels bills are already ridiculous >:( >:( . I don't need the extra cost of running this thing with that being said I will wet test it just to make sure and do some research on the motors, I have sat in the LSX dry and it WAS like sitting in a sports car ;D ;D :o. Thanks for the review and comments. Gary
Gary, FWIW, I figure I'm paying about $30.00 to $40.00/month in electricity for the tub.....this is with moderate to moderately heavy use. I suggest letting the wet test be your guide. Both manufacturers do very well power consumption-wise though they utilize different insulation and pump philosophies. At least this is the tack I took when making my decision. Good luck! 8)
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I'm 6'1" and the lounger on the Envoy was WAY too small for me.
Vista lounger is supposed to be 2" longer, but probably still too small for me.
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THE MOTO MASSAGE IS VERY OVERRATED. ACCUSAGE FROM SUNDANCE HAS MUCH MORE VERSATILITY. WE SELL 3 SUNDANCE TO 1 HOT SPRING. WE ALSO SENT 17 HOT SPRINGS BACK TO WATKINS AND 1 SUNDANCE BACK TO CHINO.
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THE MOTO MASSAGE IS VERY OVERRATED. ACCUSAGE FROM SUNDANCE HAS MUCH MORE VERSATILITY. WE SELL 3 SUNDANCE TO 1 HOT SPRING. WE ALSO SENT 17 HOT SPRINGS BACK TO WATKINS AND 1 SUNDANCE BACK TO CHINO.
You sent 17 back to the factory???? And you say you still sell them? Thats almost unbelievable. [Key word.....!! almost........!!.] I have my own Biz and if I had a problem more than a few times I would discontinue the product. Who do you REALLY WORK FOR?? I am a rookie to spas but I already smell something ..............Foul............... Gary
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THE MOTO MASSAGE IS VERY OVERRATED.
I do hear this from time to time, mostly from competitors. Yes, occasionally there are folks who come in and do a wet test who could take it or leave it. I'm sure there are folks who wet test other specialty jets and could take them or leave them as well. That's one reason we have other specialty jets besides the Moto Massage.
But to say it is 'overrated' is funny, since there are more HS tubs sold than any other brand, and most HS models have the Moto Massage. Also, in my experience, the Moto gets the most response during a wet test - the sort of wide-eyed oohs and aahs that tend to indicate the chekcbook is most likely about to come out. But we can debate it's relative merits all day: the shopper who does the wet test gets the final vote for themselves...
ACCUSAGE FROM SUNDANCE HAS MUCH MORE VERSATILITY.
That's an interesting opinion, thanks for sharing it. I have spent some time with the jet, trying to get the 'variety' out of it, and maybe I'm missing something, but I can get more variety out of any of a dozen brands of spin jets. Granted, the spin jets have moving parts - but they are all adjustable in some way or other, most have interchangeable nozzles which give you real variety, and the moving parts are covered by warranty in the better tubs anyway. I guess the wet test should tell a shopper which jets they will like. [/quote]WE SELL 3 SUNDANCE TO 1 HOT SPRING. [/quote] You tend to sell what you like: I know some HS/SD dealers who have very different results - and it may very well be because they had HS first. WE ALSO SENT 17 HOT SPRINGS BACK TO WATKINS AND 1 SUNDANCE BACK TO CHINO.
Well, I have sold them since 1986 and have sent very few back over the years. In fact the HotSpring spas I have sent back showed me more about customer care and great support rather than making some kind of statement about anything negative.
If your statement is true, I would say one or more of the following is also true: you must sell thousands per year, you must have been selling them for long than I, you must beat the life out of them....
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THE MOTO MASSAGE IS VERY OVERRATED. ACCUSAGE FROM SUNDANCE HAS MUCH MORE VERSATILITY. WE SELL 3 SUNDANCE TO 1 HOT SPRING. WE ALSO SENT 17 HOT SPRINGS BACK TO WATKINS AND 1 SUNDANCE BACK TO CHINO.
The moto massage is wonderful! I thought these boards were meant to help? You're nothing more than a salesman trying to put down the competitors so you can sell more spas!
I love my HS, and so do other members of my family. Does it make it the best spa ever? No, it doesn't. But when we wet tested, we loved the Vanguard. HS offers a wonderful product, so quit knocking it.
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At this point and time I cannot say who I work for. I've been trained by Hot Spring and have taken their Master Sales Training yet I have NOT drank their kool aid. They have the best training but not the best spas. Sundance surpasses them in curb appeal, reliability, performance, comfort and filtration now with the MicrocleanII system.
Believe me or not, we have over 30 employees and NO ONE owns a HS. Just Sundance at our homes.
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I have NOT drank their kool aid.
Isn't this trait attributed to someone (or maybe I should say something) else?
Hmmm...you can't say where you are located? Or won't? >:(
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At this point and time I cannot say who I work for. I've been trained by Hot Spring and have taken their Master Sales Training yet I have NOT drank their kool aid.
What a crock of BS! I don't know of any LEGITIMATE dealer on this board who would hesitate to promote their company or where they're located. Hell, I've even got my website, location, and ugly picture available in my profile.
He/she must be some sort of double naught spa salesperson. Probably a mall ninja as well (Gary1911 will recognize one). ;D
Terminator
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What a crock of BS! I don't know of any LEGITIMATE dealer on this board who would hesitate to promote their company or where they're located. Hell, I've even got my website, location, and ugly picture available in my profile.
He/she must be some sort of double naught spa salesperson. Probably a mall ninja as well (Gary1911 will recognize one). ;D
Terminator
I'll see your Mall Ninja and raise ya one TROLL!
;D ;D ;D :)
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You know, I love this board. Really ;D
You guys have it goin' on.
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At this point and time I cannot say who I work for. I've been trained by Hot Spring and have taken their Master Sales Training yet I have NOT drank their kool aid. They have the best training but not the best spas. Sundance surpasses them in curb appeal, reliability, performance, comfort and filtration now with the MicrocleanII system.
Believe me or not, we have over 30 employees and NO ONE owns a HS. Just Sundance at our homes.
For cripes sake, you act like you work for NASA! Drop the cloak and dagger stuff...no one cares. I came here for information, not baloney. Pass the mustard....
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HI Gary. I actually tested the LSX and the Envoy today. To me, it was like night and day. In my opinion, the power availability in the LSX literally blew the Envoy away. Plus, it seemed like the "fit",especially the neck pads seemed to envelope you in the LSX. To me, it seems like a porsche to a honda. In addition, the quoted price to me was 2000 higher for the LSX, including the stereo/video equipment than for the Envoy WITHOUT even a stereo,let alone video screen. (11,400 for the LSX and 9500 for the Envoy)
Does anyone agree with me? Also, does anyone feel I can get better prices on either as I am planning to order tomorrow.......99% sure it is the LSX.
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Does anyone agree with me?
I'm sure someone does and I'm sure others don't. The point is that you've found what YOU like so go for it.