Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: BIG_PAPA on January 20, 2005, 02:21:57 pm
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Can anyone tell me what manufactures make a 110 spa that seats at least 4 people or more.I know that there are sevaral that make a 110 spa for 2 to 3 people but what about a bigger spa. Thanks for your help!!!
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HotSpring- Sovereign, Prodigy
Tiger River- Bengal, Sumatran
Hot Spot- Sorrento, Trinidad, Tobago
Solana Spa- RX
CEO
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Coleman, California Cooperage series, model 105, 4-5 person
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Ex Tex
are all of those you mention... are they spas that offer 4 seating positions or really 4 person spas...I am just wondering in that many spas speak of 4,5 ,6 7...but in reality it is seating postions...and not really meant to work for that many on a daily basis....
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HotSpring Sovereign- 5 people comfortably
HotSpring Prodigy- 5 people comfortably
Tiger River Bengal- 5 people comfortably
Tiger River Sumatran- 4 people tight fit
Hot Spot Sorrento- 5 people comfortably
Hot Spot Trinidad- 5 people tight fit
Hot Spot Tobago- 5 people tight fit
Solana Spa RX- 4 people tight fit
CEO
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Thank you..... :D
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You're welcome, sir! :)
CEO
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East tex
does hot springs sell these as 110 spas.or do they sell them as 220 as an option to convert them into a 110 thanks
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All of them come set up as a 110V spa with the option of converting them to 220V. I have only had 2 customers in the last five years choose to convert to 220V. Everyone else has been satisfied with 110V.
CEO
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east tex
also can you tell me what size pumps they use and the GPM on these spas thanks
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Does anyone really know which uses more juice the same spa as a 110 or 220....I have heard both and while might be close to the same they both can not use less...the thought with 110 is that the heating unit that runs only when jets on low while taking longer to heat...vs the 220 where you can run jets on high and the heater at the same time which also means with the cover off since you would most likely be in the spa at that time there by using more juice....does anyone know for sure which is more efficient or are they in the end to close to call.....
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If I recall previous discussions, plus what I remember from high school electronics, the costs of one vs another may be too close to call. Having 220v will probably give your water to temp faster, and keep it there with less run time on the heater.
In a mild climate, it may not even matter, in a cold climate like here, I'd want to go 220 if it was offered.
Any percieved or actual benefit would have to be weighed against the cost of having 220 wired to the spa.
Brewman
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east tex
also can you tell me what size pumps they use and the GPM on these spas thanks
Yes sir, I'd be more than happy to, but you would be better served to get it straight from the source. Here are the websites for the above-mentioned spas:
www.hotspring.com
www.tigerriver.hotspring.com
www.hotspot.hotspring.com
www.solanaspa.com
I hope this helps! ;D
CEO
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One thing you will need to verify is if the 110v spa you are looking requires a 15 or 20 amp ckt.
If 15, you should be able to plug it into a standard wall outlet.
If it is 20 amp, more than likely you will need to upgrade you wiring. I believe it has to be 12 guage wire not 14 guage.
--- I highly recommend it be on a dedicated ckt no matter which one you choose. ---
As far as which uses more electricity - presuming it is the same type heater in both models - they would use the same amount of energy.
A 1500 watt heater operated on 110v will draw 13 amps. That same heater on 220v will draw 6 amps.
The formula is: voltage x current = watts(power used)
r100rs
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Brewman is exactly right. In a fairly mild climate like we have in NE Texas, 110V is more than sufficient. If you are in an extremely cold environment, I would definitely go with the 220V.
CEO
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Thanks rj100 and east texas,your help has been deeply appreciated!
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One thing you will need to verify is if the 110v spa you are looking requires a 15 or 20 amp ckt.
If 15, you should be able to plug it into a standard wall outlet.
If it is 20 amp, more than likely you will need to upgrade you wiring. I believe it has to be 12 guage wire not 14 guage.
--- I highly recommend it be on a dedicated ckt no matter which one you choose. ---
As far as which uses more electricity - presuming it is the same type heater in both models - they would use the same amount of energy.
A 1500 watt heater operated on 110v will draw 13 amps. That same heater on 220v will draw 6 amps.
The formula is: voltage x current = watts(power used)
r100rs
14 gauge wire must be protected with a 15 amp breaker, and 12 gauge wire can be protected with a 20 amp breaker. You are right on- You can't swap out a 15 amp breaker and install a 20 amp breaker unless there is 12 gauge wire on the circuit.
A 20 amp dedicated circuit would be the safest bet, even if not absolutely required.
Brewman
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HotSpring- Sovereign, Prodigy
Tiger River- Bengal, Sumatran
Hot Spot- Sorrento, Trinidad, Tobago
Solana Spa- RX
CEO
East_Tx or maybe Chas...
It is my understanding and perhaps I am incorrect but most of the above spas requires the 20 amp 110 circuit if that is correct...most would have to get a electrician to run a dedicated line for the spa and at that point would it not just make more sense to go to a 220 hook up...the cost to run the line would be slightly less for the 110 but not much....I could see where if your box would not allow to you run a 50 amp circuit it would be less and more practical than....what I am wondering really is if you have to run a line anyway why not go to a 220
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Does anyone really know which uses more juice the same spa as a 110 or 220.....
In basic theory they should both use the same amount of "juice" in terms of wattage. The disadvantage of 110 would be that at 110, it has to draw twice as many amps to get to the same job done, which means bigger sized wire and breakers.
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A 110/220 convertible spa typically has a heater that is 1.5/5.5kw, meaning that it is a 5.5kw or even a 6kw element that will heat a 1.5kw or 1500 watts as Brewman suggested. A 6kw heater should draw about 20 amps on 220. If the element remained at 1500 watt you would gain nothing....
The difference in cost of operation from one to the other is this; a 220, 6kw heater will heat the water quicker thereby running less even though it draws more power in the long haul.
To get a good measure you would have to factor pump draw/run time and whether the pump converts to 220 or remains 110. The bottom line is that there really isn't a significant difference in cost of operation but rather the difference is more in heat loss (heater shuts down on the 110 when the pump is on high) and recovery time.
I've owned both, I had no problem with any of my 110 spas but enjoyed the fact that I could set in the 220 for a longer period of time with the jets on high without the water cooling and, when someone else had been in the spa before me the recovery time was faster to get back to comfortable temp for me to get in later.
I have a ton of customers with 110 Marquis that love them. The beauty is that you can try it on 110 and if you want the benefit of 220 do it later. I feel that Marquis makes the best selection of 110 spas available in the market today….