Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: hoss on December 30, 2004, 10:23:24 pm
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I am new to the tub game and your form is a great help.. I have been asking around for suggestions and my friends all have been great.. Tonight I went and wet tested a hydropool it was great and the bottom cleaning seems to be a great selling point for me. I am also going to check out alot more tubs.. I am interested in the Artic and also I have heard many good things about Sundance.. Any help would be appreciated...
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Doesn't every swimming pool have that? Sounds like it's been done for years with success to me.
Hmmmm... you sound like a dealer that sells against them? Not an accurate way to get good advice in my book.
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We sell 100-120 spas per year and 5-10 spa vacs per year.......
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I don't think he was trying to hide that fact Bubbles, but it doesn't dimish the validity of his opinion in anyway.
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I don't think he was trying to hide that fact Bubbles, but it doesn't dimish the validity of his opinion in anyway.
No, you are correct. What is does do is point out the incorrect observation that nobody has done this when in fact, it is done every day. I believe one other company also does this with a similar design.
Does it hurt the operation of the spa? What are the negatives to it HTM?
I would like to see one operate myself before making this judgement call. Have you done so HTM?
I'm sure this won't diminish the validity of MY opinion right? I think you'll find every post on this forum is just that so writing it out seems a bit of a moot point doesn't it?
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No, you are correct. What is does do is point out the incorrect observation that nobody has done this when in fact, it is done every day.
What other hot tub does it? To me pools and spas are two different animals.
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I have had a hydropool since oct it has worked out really well no problems at all, as for the 100% cleaning system I can say that this does work. My cousin just purchased a hotsprings nice tub but they also had to get a vac to get out the sand etc on the bottom (not me). Now I think if your tub is on a deck and the area around the tub is really clean and you do not track anything into the tub then I guess you will not need a vac or the hydropool 100% cleaning system.
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What is does do is point out the incorrect observation that nobody has done this when in fact, it is done every day.
No, there simply are no major name-brand tubs with this feature. The comparison to pools is flawed:
Pools are uncovered. Spas are covered.
Sand and grit only rarely get into a spa, pools are magnets for leaves, sand/grit, bugs, dirt and debris.
Spas are up to about three feet deep. Pools are up to 12 feet deep, most home pools are about 8 feet deep - you only walk on the bottom in the shallow end. You have to really work to clean the bottom of the deep end.
Many pools are now being built without a bottom drain because they offer no real benefit, and can pose a safety problem if not properly covered.
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Not to disagree with the SPA GOD or anything but there are some distinct flaws in your opinion. Which, by the way, I am assuming it was.
A major brand is determined by whom? You? Though you seem to have this holier than thou attitude here, believe it or not, there are other spas besides Hotspring out there.
Pools can be uncovered though many have pool covers to prevent debris from entering. When in use, both pools and spas have the cover off allowing not only dust, leaves and debris, but also anything that may be brought into the water by the users. Not to mention that 1 person in a spa is equivalent to 50 in a pool.
{Sand and grit only rarely get into a spa, pools are magnets for leaves, sand/grit, bugs, dirt and debris.}
Makes me wonder how a body of water varying in volume can attract debris at a varied rate? You might want to check your pseudo science on that one. Does the way in which the spa or pool is placed and the makeup of the installation not make a significant difference in just how much outside debris enters the body of water? Yeh...I thought so too.
You only walk in the shallow end? Interesting thought but any debris which enters a body water with movement can and will allow that debris to move about within the body of water resulting in sand and grit throughout. This is the reason pool owners don't just vacuum the shallow end of their pools. Nobody has to "really work" at cleaning the deep end. Automatic cleaners do the job easily and effortlessly and are becoming more popular every year. Even without them, it isn't that difficult though obviously still required, right?
As I haven't seen this feature operate in a spa, I'm not defending the maker; I'm merely pointing out that this feature has merit. Of course those of you with a sale to make won't pony up and say there's merit to it and I really didn't expect anything less from you.
I know it's not "cool" to go against a regular here and I'm sure I'll get slammed but sometimes just being a regular doesn't make you Mr. Know-it-all. I'm sure you think differently as we can tell.
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The main part of my business is new pool construction, and main drains make a huge difference in keeping debris from building up in pools. Bottom drains are safe when piped to code, pools with automatic covers are totally sealed. But on the whole, pools being uncovered makes keeping a pool clean and water chemistry much more difficult than a spa.
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Not to disagree with the SPA GOD
Please leave the personal attack out. Thanks.
{Sand and grit only rarely get into a spa, pools are magnets for leaves, sand/grit, bugs, dirt and debris.}
Makes me wonder how a body of water varying in volume can attract debris at a varied rate? You might want to check your pseudo science on that one.
My point is that a spa is covered 99% of the time, and most pools are not. That's a simple enough statement, I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear.
A covered spa is not likely to have stuff blow into it. As a ten-year veteren of pool service, I think it's safe to say that pools (obviously not covered ones) are a magnet for dirt, leaves, bugs etc. Talk to your pool man: he's very busy the days following a strong wind.You only walk in the shallow end?
Yeah, sorry to dissapoint you, but I'm under six feet tall, and don't spend a lot of time walking on pool bottoms once the water depth is over my head. I only mention this for comparison: you generally do have to walk on all parts of the bottom of a spa just getting in and out or moving from seat to seat. As a result, if having a gritty bottom was that big of a deal, more tub makers would have this feature. There is nothing wrong with this feature, I have in no way said or implied that it makes the tub less desireable, I just don't see it as that important. You said I wouldn't allow that it has merit: I will. The idea has merit. You simply infered that because pools have a bottom drain spas should have them, and I brought up the obvious differences between spas and pools.Of course those of you with a sale to make won't pony up and say there's merit to it and I really didn't expect anything less from you.
I don't sell over the Internet, can't. I don't 'have a sale to make.' I simply pointed out that a pool is usually not covered, and a spa is usually covered.
I'm sorry if I somehow touched a nerve, I'm not your enemy.
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Please leave the personal attack out. Thanks.
That's not an attack. It is a term of endearment.
My point is that a spa is covered 99% of the time, and most pools are not. That's a simple enough statement, I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear.
It was a simple statement and it was very clear. I just didn't agree if that's OK.
A covered spa is not likely to have stuff blow into it. As a ten-year veteren of pool service, I think it's safe to say that pools (obviously not covered ones) are a magnet for dirt, leaves, bugs etc. Talk to your pool man: he's very busy the days following a strong wind.
As much as I try to understand this comment, the common sense of it is that both pools and spas are susceptible to debris entering and not all of it is skimmed from the surface. I do agree that uncovered pools have a larger issue, but I believe that it is relative to the volume of water as far as how it effects that volume. You chose to skim past my comment on how 1 person in a spa is equivalent to 50 in a pool. Pools have much larger filters and are designed in a way to deal with larger amounts of debris. Very simple concept that I'm sorry I didn't make more clear. And for the record, I agree with stabone in that main drains play a critical part of filtration of a pool. Does it work the same way in a spa? Who knows...I don't own one nor have I seen one but to suggest that it's a useless feature is laughable. You just don't sell it. I understand that.
Yeah, sorry to dissapoint you, but I'm under six feet tall, and don't spend a lot of time walking on pool bottoms once the water depth is over my head. I only mention this for comparison: you generally do have to walk on all parts of the bottom of a spa just getting in and out or moving from seat to seat.
Obviously your editing made it difficult to comprehend my answer. Debris isn't placed by just stepping on an area of the pool or spa. It is brought in and distributed throughout the body of water. Some floats and some will sink. I think most will agree with me here that it isn’t left as a footprint of debris.
As a result, if having a gritty bottom was that big of a deal, more tub makers would have this feature. There is nothing wrong with this feature, I have in no way said or implied that it makes the tub less desireable, I just don't see it as that important.
Why are thousands of spa vacs sold annually? Maybe people just find them attractive sitting beside their spas?
I don't sell over the Internet, can't. I don't 'have a sale to make.' I simply pointed out that a pool is usually not covered, and a spa is usually covered.
I'm sorry if I somehow touched a nerve, I'm not your enemy.
No, you don't physically "sell" over the interent but decisions are made on whether or not to purchase based on information gathered here so yes...indirectly you DO sell here as everyone else does.
Not a nerve Chas, but I pop in periodically and usually I see good info but sometimes it's just a sales guy trying to combat any feature they don't promote with their own line of spas. I look forward to the day when I see a salesperson give a positive comment on a feature that isn't on their own line. I guess some people just aren't that open to alternate concepts. I guess Hotspring should be thankful you aren't head of new development.
Have a Happy New Year!
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That's not an attack. It is a term of endearment.
Thanks for the effort, but it is not being received as such. "Chas" is fine. It was a simple statement and it was very clear. I just didn't agree if that's OK.
Yes - absolutely. But I'm curious: Does this mean that where you live spas are not generally covered? I'm not making any kind of hidden comment, I'm just asking, and my reason for asking is this:
I'm in SoCal, and most spas are covered most of the time, while most pools are uncovered most of the time. Every Spa I sell goes out with an insulated cover which is closed 99% percent of the time. As an example, when I sold my pool-service business several years ago I had close to 100 pools on regular service. Three of them had covers. I had about a dozen spas on service, all of those were covered, with the exception of three or four in-ground spas in commercial complexes: those were not covered, and they got junk in them proportional to their size just as the pool sitting next to them did. We also basically treated them as small pools: vacuuming the bottom or brushing them just like a pool. And you better believe a bottom drain came in handy when brushing: we would shuttle the valves and plug off the skimmers so the system would draw from the drain and then we would carefully brush the bottom of the pool/spa towards that drain where the stuff would go directly into the filtration system.
But as I said, those were basically 'small pools,' and the covered spas rarely had any grit in the bottoms. We had a bunch of spas at the beach, and we found that a simple vac was the most effective way to get the sand out of the bottom. If they had been equipped with a bottom suction system, I would not have pushed the sand into it. I would not want to load up the filter with the stuff only have to pull the filter immediately and clean it out a second time. I used a simple siphon tube which got the sand out of the tub entirely. This is what I set up our beach-dwelling customers with and it works just fine.As much as I try to understand this comment, the common sense of it is that both pools and spas are susceptible to debris entering and not all of it is skimmed from the surface.
Agreed: with the note that pools sit there all day collecting stuff while a spa has about ten or fifteen minute per evening when stuff can hit the water or be tracked in. And around here, the winds die down in the evening, so there is less chance of stuff blowing in. You chose to skim past my comment on how 1 person in a spa is equivalent to 50 in a pool.
"Skim past" is a hoot - great play on words. ;D True, I didn't go there because it seemed to be a great start to another topic. But what you say is true - a couple in a spa is roughly equivalant to several dozen in a pool. I just don't see this relating to bottom drains. Pools have much larger filters
Not around here. I would say that most of the pools I have serviced, repaired or installed have had something around a 50 square foot DE filter, a 75 square foot cartridge filter, or a 3 square foot sand filter. The larger the pool, the larger the filter, of course. I had some commercial pools with twin and even triple systems: each system had a 60 square foot DE filter, some larger. By comparison, a brand new Vista spa from HotSpring has 300 square feet of cartridge filtration, and does a fine job. An easy mistake is to compare the physical size of the equipment: a 60 square-foot pool filter is a self-contained device of large proportions. Most spas have filters built-in in a much more compact arrangement - but the surface area (the working area) of spa filters is generally about the same or larger than a pool's. and are designed in a way to deal with larger amounts of debris.
Yes, and one would assume that is because they sit open most of the time?? And for the record, I agree with stabone in that main drains play a critical part of filtration of a pool.
The safety issue is only one reason bottom drains are disappearing from pools built here in SoCal in recent years. The other reason is the proliferation of suction-type cleaners which move around the bottom keeping stuff picked up. They amount to a 'moving bottom drain' in my opinion, and NSPI and others seem to agree. Obviously these can't be used in spas - but I don't find that a problem. Does it work the same way in a spa? Who knows...I don't own one nor have I seen one but to suggest that it's a useless feature is laughable.
I didn't. I do suggest it is not a feature upon which a buying decision should be made. Since most spas sit covered most of the time, and it's not a big job to keep stuff out or remove it once it gets in, and since I don't think putting grit through the pumps or into the filter of a spa is a great idea, I'm not worried that more spas don't have this feature.
Why are thousands of spa vacs sold annually? Maybe people just find them attractive sitting beside their spas?
Well, they are pretty nice-looking things...
but they do a different job. They remove grit completely from a spa without putting it into the pumps and/or filters. And in my experience, they sit there largely unused except for rare occasions.
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Thanks Chas. We are debating a feature that may have appeal to many other geographical locations than just SoCal. I understand you are limited to your observations given your location.
I would certainly consider this in my next purchase and I find it interesting. With all the fluff (another play on words) in spas nowadays, it's somewhat refreshing to see this sort of thought going into the design. The question is; does it work? Goingwarp believes so and he has far more knowledge with it than you or I.
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I purchased a Hydropool Serenity 6000 (see review) last October.Iwas very serious about the HYDROPOOL 575 with the self cleaning floor filter. My take on it was as well as pulling from the floor it also channelled a lot more water thru the filter. My dilemma was the better filtration system and less maintenance or more tub(size wise) in their Serenity line with a standard filter set up. If my budget would have allowed it ,I would have gone with the Hydropool 575,but I am very happy with the Serenity line.I am sure I am cleaning my filter more often,but I have a routine(gotten from info on this forum) that works for me. BTW Chas in Canada my pool is covered unless i am using it ,to keep the heat in. I use a Kreepy vac to keep it clean.This is the greatest forum for information on the net but sometimes the small points get blown out of proportion and the original questions don't get answered. I get advice I can use every time I visit..... bobhol
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Is someone from Hydropool on here, I would like to see how that works, it sounds pretty awesome. I don't think it would be a must have on a spa, but neither are radios, tv's etc. And they seem to sell, so as an upgrade option it sounds pretty cool to me!!
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Stabone;
You can see how it works on their website.
http://www.hydropoolhottubs.com/hydropool_tub_intro.html
Click on the "self cleaning plus" icon left centre on that page.
HTM
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Back from the land of fog and rain in BC (at least you don't have to shovel it ;) ). I hope everyone had a great Christmas!
Sorry I didn't respond sooner hoss. I am the dealer rep for western Canada for Hydropool and if there's anything I can answer, please let me know. Thanks for letting him know you weenies! ::)
There's way too much bad info and salesmanship in this thread to go on about so suffice to say that if you need specific information, please let me know and I'll do my best to help hoss.
Steve
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Where have you been, Steve?
I wanted to tell him, but the thread had gotten waaay out of control, so I just stayed out of it!
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BTW, Steve is the dealer rep for Western Canada...! ;)
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Hey Lori! A special HAPPY NEW YEAR to you my dear!
We flew to Vancouver for Christmas to spend it with my family. My Mom has the late stages of Alzheimer’s and it may be her last. She has no idea who anyone was and it was very sad to see. We hadn't seen her for about 8 months and she has deteriorated quite badly.
We stayed at my sisters house in Port Coquitlam BC and she sent a limo to pick us up at the airport. The kids had never been in one so they were pie eyed! :o
It was a great Holiday and I hope you had the same.
Good health and Happiness for you and yours Lori in '05.
Steve
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BTW, Steve is the dealer rep for Western Canada...! ;)
You're still a weenie! ;D
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Hey Lori! A special HAPPY NEW YEAR to you my dear!
We flew to Vancouver for Christmas to spend it with my family. My Mom has the late stages of Alzheimer’s and it may be her last. She has no idea who anyone was and it was very sad to see. We hadn't seen her for about 8 months and she has deteriorated quite badly.
We stayed at my sisters house in Port Coquitlam BC and she sent a limo to pick us up at the airport. The kids had never been in one so they were pie eyed! :o
It was a great Holiday and I hope you had the same.
Good health and Happiness for you and yours Lori in '05.
Steve
Back at you! I wish you and your family the best in 2005!
I lost my paternal grandmother to the ravages of that awful disease last year, I empathize with you and your family. The family bears the brunt of that disease!
Glad your Christmas was great! Ours was, as well! I bet the kids couldn't stop talking about the limo! The first limo ride I ever took was when I was 12, and I thought I was "it"!!! LOL!!! 8)
Now to make this spa related, thank you for the thread on proprietary features. Very nicely put! I have to say, I liked the idea of "no bypass filtration" on the HotSpring, but that wasn't the determining factor for my purchase! I fell in love while wet testing!
I hope you have a very prosperous New Year in your new position!
Can you tell I missed you?
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Back at you! I wish you and your family the best in 2005!
I lost my paternal grandmother to the ravages of that awful disease last year, I empathize with you and your family. The family bears the brunt of that disease!
It's horrible. When we get older, quite often the only thing that becomes really important in life is our familes. People with this have that taken away from them. Many years ago, her family was her world and she was the glue that kept us all together. Her face no longer lights up when one of her grandkids walks into the room. It's very difficult for all of us, you're right. Dad still looks after her at home but we don't know for how much longer. He doesn't know how to let her go to a facility and we've left that entirely up to him.
Glad your Christmas was great! Ours was, as well! I bet the kids couldn't stop talking about the limo! The first limo ride I ever took was when I was 12, and I thought I was "it"!!! LOL!!! 8)
Glad to hear your Christmas was great Lori! The funny part of the 50 minute ride to my sisters in the Limo was my 11 year old daughter waving through the tinted glass like a celebrity. She knew no one could see her but that didn't stop her. ::) (my wife's side of the family I guess... ;))
Now to make this spa related, thank you for the thread on proprietary features. Very nicely put! I have to say, I liked the idea of "no bypass filtration" on the HotSpring, but that wasn't the determining factor for my purchase! I fell in love while wet testing!
I'm not sure if my intension really came through. I'm glad you liked it though. You bring up a very valuble point in that those same features don't always play a key role in the purchase. There's so many factors to the purchase that these sometimes aren't even considered. Great point.
I hope you have a very prosperous New Year in your new position!
Can you tell I missed you?
Doesn't she make you just want to give her a BIG HUG![/i] You're such a sweetheart! :-* (I just hugged my laptop! ;D )
Steve
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I pop in periodically
Does that mean you will leave soon for some significant amount of time? Your attitude is attrocious.
-Ed
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No, there simply are no major name-brand tubs with this feature.
For the record, Baja spas also has this Self Cleaning feature. Maybe not a MAJOR brand (started in '72) but.... ;)
Steve
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After consumers have visited the local Hydropool dealer they come in asking if we have the system that automatically cleans out all of the grit and sand that gets into the bottom of the spa. When this started surfacing I looked at the system, and based on the diagram, I honestly wonder how the pump/impeller stands up to all of the 'sand and grit' that runs through it prior to filtration. Does this not cause excessive wear and tear on the equipment? Also, wouldn't hair be prone to getting stuck in the impeller as well???
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It's a valid question Cgar.
The Self Cleaning system only allows small debris due to the size of the holes in the footwell. With the 56 frame motors used in all our spas, these have never been an issue doing the job for the last 15 years anyway.
Any idea how a sump pump works? Same principle. I've had mine for many years without an issue.
Steve
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For what it is worth, I tend to agree with Chas. I mean it does seem like a good feature, but is it solving a problem that isn't really an issue? I have owned spas for the better part of a decade and I don't recall large accumulations of sand and debris in the footwells of any of them.
That said, I must give Hydropool their due. I checked it out on their website and it looks pretty spanky.
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For what it is worth, I tend to agree with Chas. I mean it does seem like a good feature, but is it solving a problem that isn't really an issue? I have owned spas for the better part of a decade and I don't recall large accumulations of sand and debris in the footwells of any of them.
That said, I must give Hydropool their due. I checked it out on their website and it looks pretty spanky.
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Spanky...that's what we were going for! ;D
I do value you're opinion JP. It's certainly not the magic bullet we've all been searching for but it does more than just remove debris. It certainly doesn't need to be large amounts to negatively impact the TDS or overall water quality of the spa. We know anything heavier than water will sink. We're not just talking sand here. No other spa offers any type of solution to this other than Baja and us.
Now granted, it's not always a critical problem but I defer to my previous post that brought up spa vac sales. Did these companies produce a product that has no value? No, they saw an opportunity to address an issue within certain applications and usage concerns and came up with a solution. The same thing applies with Hydropool's Self Cleaning feature.
The other aspect to this is that it is drawing more water for filtering than just a top load system by itself. It will turn the body of water over every 15 minutes which other spas can't do with just a basic skimmer.
This results in more filtration (always a good thing) and helping prevent the steady increase of the TDS. I personally don't promote this feature this way, but many of our customers get 6 months+ out of their water due to this. TDS is directly affected to the unused chemical waste that remains in the footwell along with any other debris. If we can remove this and help extend the life of the water by doing so, it has another key benefit in that regard. It directly affects the annual operating cost and upkeep if draining and refilling is reduced.
If a company is going to offer something different to consumers, I'm a firm believer in making it functional. There's no upkeep or maintenance to this and it works well. There's many other reasons to buy a Hydropool and this is only 1 aspect.
Thanks for the compliment BTW. ;)
Steve
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For what it is worth, I tend to agree with Chas.;)
James, I obviously underestimated your level of intelligence.
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I'm gonna guess you have LOTS of mirrors in your house Chas. ::)
Steve
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I'm gonna guess you have LOTS of mirrors in your house Chas. ::)
Steve
No need. I have memorized my face years ago. ;)
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The other aspect to this is that it is drawing more water for filtering than just a top load system by itself. It will turn the body of water over every 15 minutes which other spas can't do with just a basic skimmer.
Do most spas not draw water from the skimmer and footwell intake for filtering?
TDS is directly affected to the unused chemical waste that remains in the footwell along with any other debris. If we can remove this and help extend the life of the water by doing so, it has another key benefit in that regard. It directly affects the annual operating cost and upkeep if draining and refilling is reduced.
uuummmm... :-[ you got me here, could you elaborate a bit more on the unused chemical waste thing ???
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I am not Steve, nor have I played him on TV.
John;
I beleive what Steve was getting at is this: unlike the spas you and I sell, the water sucked in throught the footwell is filtered.
This has long been HS's claim to fame with their "no by-pass filtration" and I beleive Steve is suggesting that HydroPool does the same, except the water goes through the pumps then the filter.
I'm not gonna touch your other question.
How did I do Steve? ;D
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I beleive what Steve was getting at is this: unlike the spas you and I sell, the water sucked in throught the footwell is filtered.
Gotcha... what about the second & third pumps on the 700 & 800 models?
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James, I obviously underestimated your level of intelligence.
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That's Okay Chas, it happens all the time...er...well not so much really. :P
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So would I. Doesn't Marquis have some kind of bottom cleaning thing too?
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Do most spas not draw water from the skimmer and footwell intake for filtering?
uuummmm... :-[ you got me here, could you elaborate a bit more on the unused chemical waste thing ???
you been in the spa biz a lot longer than I have, hoping to learn something from the master ;) ;D
I'd be interested to hear about this as well. In looking at the Coleman tubs on our floor, they definitely draw from the footwell. The only differences between the Coleman approach and the Hydropool (that I can see) are: 1/ the Colemans draw through the filter, and; 2/ the Hydropool draws through small holes in the floor of the tub while the Coleman (as an example) draws through an intake at the base of the tub.
Am I wrong in assuming that both setups achieve virtually the same thing?
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I'd be interested to hear about this as well. In looking at the Coleman tubs on our floor, they definitely draw from the footwell. The only differences between the Coleman approach and the Hydropool (that I can see) are: 1/ the Colemans draw through the filter, and; 2/ the Hydropool draws through small holes in the floor of the tub while the Coleman (as an example) draws through an intake at the base of the tub.
Am I wrong in assuming that both setups achieve virtually the same thing?
There are a couple major differences in the comparison you are making.
All tubs have suction fittings in the footwell from a safety aspect and to meet specific guidelines. These do draw water within the footwell but not from the bottom of the spa. This water is also not filtered prior to re-entering the spa through the jets. A major difference in itself. These wall suctions only draw water when the pumps are on high speed only where the Hydropool spas continually filter from our floor vacuum system on both high and low speed.
Just to be clear, our Hydropool spas also have a top load skimmer, pressurized filtration system over and above our floor cleaning system. Those are the features and benefits that set us apart with total watercare and the difference between the other spas mentioned.
Steve
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Does that mean you will leave soon for some significant amount of time? Your attitude is attrocious.
-Ed
Gee I go away for a few days and come back to get caught up and [OVER THE LINE A BIT] . Luckily attitude isn't everything and I'm cute and cuddly.
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There are a couple major differences in the comparison you are making.
All tubs have suction fittings in the footwell from a safety aspect and to meet specific guidelines. These do draw water within the footwell but not from the bottom of the spa.
Your right, all spas have intakes in the footwell and hydropool does not have a foot well intake for pump 1 instead pump 1 draws water from the bottom.
This water is also not filtered prior to re-entering the spa through the jets. A major difference in itself. These wall suctions only draw water when the pumps are on high speed only where the Hydropool spas continually filter from our floor vacuum system on both high and low speed.
That may be the case with most spas, but... Coleman spas draw water from the foot well intake and the skimmer through the filter on low and high speeds on pump one, 100% filtration no bypass.
Pump 2 & 3 (if equiped with) draw from the foot well intake then back through the jets into the spa, no filtration. This is the same on hydropools models with 2 & 3 pumps, correct?
Just to be clear, our Hydropool spas also have a top load skimmer, pressurized filtration system over and above our floor cleaning system. Those are the features and benefits that set us apart with total watercare and the difference between the other spas mentioned.
Steve
Hydropool's self cleaning system is unique and a feature.
All I'm say'n, Hydropool is not the only spa that filters 100% of the water from the skimer and footwell, (besides HS) a few other brands do it as well, including Coleman, they just don't market it as a feature.
John
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So does Marquis and they have for many, many years.
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Gee I go away for a few days and come back to get caught up and I see ebirrane {pronouned airbrain?}missed me. Luckily attitude isn't everything and I'm cute and cuddly.
Name Calling? My question is...Bubbles, do your parents really give you enough allowence to purchase a hot tub?
Ed has been a valueble asset to this site, Nobody here will stand for blatent bashing of "regulars" we see your type come and go quite often. If you really don't have anything to add to this site, or anything to get from it, please don't participate.
I mean no insult...I mean no harm. We could always use some more opinions here and I hope that you can stick around and share. Just don't insult.
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huh?, thank you very much. :) I enjoy my hot tub geekiness and hope I've been able to contribute -- I've gotten a ton from this forum.
Bubbles,
We will just have to disagree on what constitutes cute and cuddly. ::)
-Ed
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Name Calling? My question is...Bubbles, do your parents really give you enough allowence to purchase a hot tub?
Ed has been a valueble asset to this site, Nobody here will stand for blatent bashing of "regulars" we see your type come and go quite often. If you really don't have anything to add to this site, or anything to get from it, please don't participate.
I mean no insult...I mean no harm. We could always use some more opinions here and I hope that you can stick around and share. Just don't insult.
I would have a tendency to agree... You have good info from time to time but borderline snide quite often.
Try and tone it down a bit so we can all share in your knowledge of the industry.
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Gee I go away for a few days and come back to get caught up and [OVER THE LINE A BIT] . Luckily attitude isn't everything and I'm cute and cuddly.
Michael Jackson had a chimp named Bubbles. He was cute and cuddly too but I'll assume that wasn't you.
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
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Michael Jackson had a chimp named Bubbles. He was cute and cuddly too but I'll assume that wasn't you.
Wow! I didn't realize that.....Could explain the "attitude" coming through now and then.... ;)
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"All spas have suction fittings....". If I'm not mistaken I think that some or possibly all HotSpring tubs do not.
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I have a hot spring and there is no suction thingy on the bottom of the tub.
We drain our water 4 times a year (with each season) and when we do we give the tub a wipe-down. Usually there is some grit of some kind on the bottom, but not more than quickly wiping with a paper towel could get up.
-Ed