Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: csutton on December 14, 2004, 06:15:02 pm
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Ok guys, hopefully I am not being too bothersome with my questions on which spa to buy! First let me start by saying that everyone on this board have been very helpful in my search for a new spa. Since this is the first spa I have purchased, I had a ton of questions that were mostly answered here.
I have almost made up my mind to go with the HS Vanguard. I have shopped HS, Caldera, Tiger River, and today I looked at the Dimension One Nautilus. While I have heard good things about D1 I was not completely sold on the construction of the spa. The shell seemed to be thin and not very sturdy. Any thoughts on the D1 dependability in comparison to the HS would be helpful. They are about the same price.
Lastly, does the HS Vanguard sit 4 people comfortably with its layout? It almost seems that the "cooling bench" takes up a comfortable seet. Sorry if I am bugging you guys with my constant questions, but this is a purchase that I want to make sure I made the right decision on!
Thanks again
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Well, I know with the total of 3 posts, you've certainly overstayed your welcome! ;) ;D Just Kidding...
Though HotSprings are one of the biggest, it doesn't always make them the best. You are the only one to determine that and by the sounds of it, you haven't wet tested it yet. Before you fork over the big bucks, I would certainly recommend that first and foremost.
As for your comment on D1, I haven't heard of any concerns with their construction or dependability. There's lot's of spas out there and the two mentioned are certainly quality units. Keep testing until you find YOUR perfect spa. You'll know when that is...
Steve
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I would say, owning a Vanguard myself, that you may want to wet test it with four people, to see how you fit. It depends on the 4 people. Being short, myself, I would not have problems with playing footsie with others. I have never had 4 people in it, all at once! It is perfect for my husband and I!
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I personally don't believe that there is huge difference between the shell on the D1 and the HotSpring. I do feel though that the D1 has a heavier duty frame then the HotSpring in addition to a more intricate sanitation system.
Both are exceptional spas and have their plus's and minus's, D1 is on their 8th generation of the heater that HotSpring has done now for a couple of years.
HotSpring has made several great changes in the last few years and closed the gap a bit more but again I believe that D1 still leads in technology and engineering....
You will find that industry pro’s like Chas and I rarely differ on our opinions of many brands but both will passionately defend our stances as to why we believe one is better than the other (Chas Hotspring, Me D1). I have sold both but now sell D1, even with the option I would still keep the D1 line over Hotspring….
The bottom line is that I don’t think you could go wrong with either.
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Only with 3 posts, I didn't want to seem that I was asking the same questions over again, just a different comparison.
My wife and I actually did wet test the HS but the dealer had the Grandee. I have sat in the Vanguard dry and like it.
My wife fell in love with the HS Vanguard as soon as we looked at it and has not stopped talking about it since. Me, being the more conservative shopper, have been trying to look at other brands to see what else is out there to make sure we make the right decision. I realize that once it is in the place, we will be happy with one or the other. I just want to make sure that I have one of the most dependable spas available.
Obviously every dealer I talk to has their own opinions on which is better. That is why I come here to try and get an un-biased opinion if that is possible ???
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Have you wet tested the D1?
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Csutton,
Have you wet tested the d1? If not, I would suggest you wet test any brand or model you are interested in.
You are fine asking questions. Unbiased opinions...well...you may be asking too much! ;) Just kidding guys!
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Have you wet tested the D1?
Great minds think alike?? 8)
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Great minds think alike?? 8)
YES THEY DO!!! ;)
As far as unbiased opinions go, I believe for the most part that I'm pretty fair excluding some brands that I feel do not sell honestly. Considering that my personal feelings towards some of the brands I offer support for are much harsher than I let on......
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Yeah, I guess I will give the D1 a test for comparison. I realize most of the posts here are dealers, but as a whole I see more info on HS than I do D1. I just wanted to make sure I was comparing one quality spa to another.
One thing that attracted me to HS was the dealer has been in my area (Richmond, VA) for yrs and seems to be a respectable dealer. I too and in sales and I believe the person you buy from is as important as the product when comparing apples to apples. That being said, I know the D1 dealer personally and feel that I would get preferential treatment if needed.
Thanks again
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Let me re-phrase that before the everyone reacts to what I meant to say.......
"I am also in sales and I believe the company you buy from is as important as the product when comparing apples to apples"
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Yeah, I guess I will give the D1 a test for comparison. I realize most of the posts here are dealers, but as a whole I see more info on HS than I do D1. I just wanted to make sure I was comparing one quality spa to another.
One thing that attracted me to HS was the dealer has been in my area (Richmond, VA) for yrs and seems to be a respectable dealer. I too and in sales and I believe the person you buy from is as important as the product when comparing apples to apples. That being said, I know the D1 dealer personally and feel that I would get preferential treatment if needed.
Thanks again
That being said I believe a wet test will cinch the deal!
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Wheres Chas..I thought he would have jumped in on this one tonight....
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Wheres Chas..I thought he would have jumped in on this one tonight....
Napping again...
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You'll get lots of opinions and most will be very biased...
But most will be fare....
Spahappy :D
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You'll get lots of opinions and most will be very biased...
But most will be fare....
Spahappy :D
and if they are not fare....they will be at least worth what you paid for them...... ;)
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It seems your biggest concern is the shell. Shell warranties get discussed alot. Californian made tubs are limitted to offerring 7 years on laminated shells and many try to use this against them.
Bottom line, the shell is the last thing you should be worried about. You will replace every component on the tub, at least once, before you will have a structural issue with your shell. Period.
Now I know if Yorag reads this he will have something to say, but I am talking structurally not cosmetically.
Wet test them.
HTM
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and if they are not fare....they will be at least worth what you paid for them...... ;)
That's clever, Mendocino. LOL 8)
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I have a Vanguard, and have had up to 5 people in it. How comfortable you are depends on how large the people are. My wife and I are not small, as was two others, then had one small person. I would never go past this number for a comforable soak. We did fit good, but you do touch at times.
We purchased this size so that we could have 3-4 people in it, but also feel comfortable with less (not swimming in it). This seemed to be a great tradeoff for us. I mostly soak with just my wife, and this leaves a lot of room for us.
It also seems that when you get 4 people in it you seem to do more talking then soaking. So the amount of room seemed to be a secondary issue.
We have had the spa going on 6 weeks now, and I have yet to miss a day in it, and the wife has missed only about 3!
Everyone is right, don't buy it unless you wet test it. This is very important. This is way too much money to spend on something without trying it out.
After the purchase I changed one Moto-massage plates out with a hydro faceplate so that the pulse more to the sides of the backbone and less intense. Also changed the one jetstream jet below the hydromassage jets with a hydromassage jet to make it them all the same.
For some reason, my wife and I are different them most of the people here and are not looking for the strongest jets - we prefer a softer jet feel. In fact, we spend at least half the time without jets (we start out with them on, then continue it with them off).
Last thing - CHANGE THE WATER after the first 30 days. This was the best advice I have ever gotten!
Good soaking....
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I have owned the Vanguard and I now own a D! chairman II.
Vanguard will fit at most 4 people comfortably but not everyone would be getting the massage they might want; it's a 1 pump spa.
I wet tested the nautilus and the chairman II when looking for a new spa. the nautilus has two pumps and a TON more room than the Vanguard. Not only could 4 people fit in the nautilus (with room to spare) but everyone would be getting a great massage at the same time.
The shells on the D1s and the HS are nearly identical as is the over all construction; as far as my eyes can tell. It is my understanding that they both use the dense foam insulation as support for the shell.
I never had a problem with the HS and I haven't had a probelm with the D1. The percieved difference that you're seeing in the shell should not be a factor in your decision. WET TEST, BROTHER!