Hot Tub Forum
General => General info Somewhat hot tub related => Topic started by: nicker on March 20, 2006, 09:35:55 am
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We are getting a pool and while I was out shopping around and getting educated one dealer has a floor model all set up and filled and they are giveing me what I think is a good deal. Is there anything I would have to worry about since it was set up and will be takend down and set up again? Do things get loose and out of whack once taken down. Will the liner be ok?
I still get the full warranty etc.
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Was the pool kpet inside the dealers show room or outside? How long has it been set up?
A pool that was inside a dealers show room for a year or so, should be fine (as far as the liner goes). A pool' liner's worst enimeies are the sun, chemicals and ice. If this was kept inside and the water chemistry kept in check then i would not worry about it.
As far as breaking down and re-installing an AG pool, it's pretty simple and also shouldn't be an issue if installed by an experienced person.
Make sure you get fresh filter material (Sand or DE) or a new catridge). Check to see if they used S.S fasteners (look for rust). Check the outside wall for scratching and dents. Check the top rail for twisting or bends. Look for any fading on the liner. Get the warrety in writing.
The biggest lilabaility I would think is the pump, and a decent 1.5 hp Heywood pump goes for about $150- 200 bucks and can be installed by yourself in 20 minutes. It's just 2 hoses.
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Yes its been insides since set up. The liner looks good The only visual issue is a few scratches on one of the top rails which I know about and get touch up. I am getting a pretty good deal on it (I think).
I am getting about $600.00 off plus they are throwing the taxes in so all in all saving close to $1000.00 CDN Funds.
The pump is a 1 hp. That is what I have noticed to be pretty standard with all the dealers I have been too. It is a smaller pool so I think 1hp is fine.
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Yes its been insides since set up. The liner looks good The only visual issue is a few scratches on one of the top rails which I know about and get touch up. I am getting a pretty good deal on it (I think).
I am getting about $600.00 off plus they are throwing the taxes in so all in all saving close to $1000.00 CDN Funds.
The pump is a 1 hp. That is what I have noticed to be pretty standard with all the dealers I have been too. It is a smaller pool so I think 1hp is fine.
1 hp will be fine. You'll be surprised how much pressure that can throw out of one outlet.
See if he'll throw A winterizing kit and cover in on the deal. You'll need a cover/tarp (usally about $60 US, an inflatable pillow and chems for winterizing. )
Congrats on the pool.
8)
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Nicker, My cousins bought a pool that was a demo. they saved lots of money and have never had a problem. The pool is now over 22 years old! they had to disassemble and reassemble the pool themselves but it went well and they have been very happy. Are you going to put it near your spa?
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they are thowing in a solar cover and winter cover. I do how ever have to buy the chemicles. I think I get some shock. I also get a auto chlorinator, auto cleaner (vacuum) I guess is what it is.
We are going to set it up and its going to be some what near out tub, other side of our deck. So probably about 10 ft away. Just have to get some ideas now on how to make it all look nice. We have to change out deck around quite a bit. Cut some off and move the stairs and railing.
Does anyone have any pictures of their AG pools. I love to see them and maybe get some ideas for ours.
thanks
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I'll post a few of mine so you will know how not to do your set up. I wish I could also come up with a way to make the pool and the tub look like they fit together. I think it is good to have the tub first and then figure out how to make the pool work. I am sure you will come up with something nice. I am looking forward to opening the pool early this year and hopping back and forth from the pool to the tub. Good luck and let us know what you come up with.
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they are thowing in a solar cover and winter cover. I do how ever have to buy the chemicles. I think I get some shock. I also get a auto chlorinator, auto cleaner (vacuum) I guess is what it is.
We are going to set it up and its going to be some what near out tub, other side of our deck. So probably about 10 ft away. Just have to get some ideas now on how to make it all look nice. We have to change out deck around quite a bit. Cut some off and move the stairs and railing.
Does anyone have any pictures of their AG pools. I love to see them and maybe get some ideas for ours.
thanks
In the other thread is a pic of my AG pool. For ease of clicking here it is again:
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Like Boni, you can use it as a point of reference on what not to do. Actually it works nicely for me, it's just too small and too ugly. Oh well.
What I do like is the Speakers I placed on the side of the house (white rectangles by the windows)
And just in the lower left hand cornerof the pic is an el-cheapo fire pit that is terrific at night after a swim or a soak. If I upgrade, I would consider a higher end fire pit. It's a big hit.
I'd love to put a Sun Awening on the deck.
I wish the lower level deck by the pool was bigger. If building a deck, don't skimp! I wish the upper deck went down the house further, at least to the 3rd window, and to have sliders where the door is.
I wish the lower deck surrounded the pool and had an area for the hot tub.
And lastly I would then do some pavers/cobblestones/stamped concrete around the deck on the ground.
Ahh to dream,
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drew, did you have those flashes of the tub falling off the crane, smashing through the roof of your house or into the pool before it safely touched down? :)
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The only thing I've heard about AG pools is their liners can (may) shrink once you remove the water. I don't know if this is true or not ... I have nightmares of growing up and putting up and taking down the pool EVERY year and I don't remember my parents replacing the liner. I don't do that with this pool!
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Make sure you are getting a new liner if the pool had water in it. If the liner did not have water in it, I would not worry about the liner.
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Make sure you are getting a new liner if the pool had water in it. If the liner did not have water in it, I would not worry about the liner.
Chris, care to expand on this? I'm thinking a pool dealer would keep the water balanced, and the liner be in decent shape (escoically so, since it was inside). What are you concerns?
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Yes the dealer did say that the liner would be kept in water (as to avoid shrinkage, and her I thought that the water caused the shrinkage.. oh well) and would be a solution to prevent mold or alge.
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My comments were not related to the chemistry of the water. The liner stretches once it has water in it and cannot be put back to original form even if it was indoors. When you go to install this liner it will have a massive amount of wrinkles. Make sure you get a new liner. Any liner installer will tell you the same thing. The pool itself should be fine.
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My comments were not related to the chemistry of the water. The liner stretches once it has water in it and cannot be put back to original form even if it was indoors. When you go to install this liner it will have a massive amount of wrinkles. Make sure you get a new liner. Any liner installer will tell you the same thing. The pool itself should be fine.
I did not know that. Thanks. :)
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Chris, what if the liner was kept in water until it was ready to be installed? The dealer said that is what they do and have done it in the past.
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I would not buy the pool with that liner. I have never heard of keeping it in water before installation. It may work, but it wouldn’t be worth it to me.
A new overlap liner costs under $300 bucks and a beaded Ester Williams liner costs under $500. Those are retail prices of 27’ round pool liners in US Dollars. It is worth the extra money. Tell them to sell you a new liner at their cost.
Disclaimer: I may be wrong on the price of the Ester Williams liner. It may be more. However, I am confident in the price of the overlap liner.
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I would not buy the pool with that liner. I have never heard of keeping it in water before installation. It may work, but it wouldn’t be worth it to me.
A new overlap liner costs under $300 bucks and a beaded Ester Williams liner costs under $500. Those are retail prices of 27’ round pool liners in US Dollars. It is worth the extra money. Tell them to sell you a new liner at their cost.
Disclaimer: I may be wrong on the price of the Ester Williams liner. It may be more. However, I am confident in the price of the overlap liner.
Chris, I've decided rather than replace my eco pool, I'm going to do just the liner. It's a 18' AG round. the liner fits over the side wall and under rail cap. Do you have anyadvice on liners or refernces I can check?
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The liner you have is an overlap liner and should be pretty inexpensive for an 18’ round.
I would recommend that you poly-foam the walls of the pool so any rust that has built up on the wall will not put pin holes in the new liner. The installed cost for the poly-foam is probably an additional $250 bucks.
I really have no idea who has the best overlap liner, but I would probably just buy a standard blue wall with print bottom. Typically the overlap liners are imported from China and are pretty crappy when compared to a beaded liner.
Assuming you are not installing the liner yourself, I would recommend you go to your local pool dealer. They are usually the best starting point. If you buy all of your pool chemicals and accessories online, I would recommend a call to your spa dealer and ask him for recommendations.
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The liner you have is an overlap liner and should be pretty inexpensive for an 18’ round.
I would recommend that you poly-foam the walls of the pool so any rust that has built up on the wall will not put pin holes in the new liner. The installed cost for the poly-foam is probably an additional $250 bucks.
I really have no idea who has the best overlap liner, but I would probably just buy a standard blue wall with print bottom. Typically the overlap liners are imported from China and are pretty crappy when compared to a beaded liner.
Assuming you are not installing the liner yourself, I would recommend you go to your local pool dealer. They are usually the best starting point. If you buy all of your pool chemicals and accessories online, I would recommend a call to your spa dealer and ask him for recommendations.
Thanks. I will look into the poly foam. At the homeshow, I saw that the new pools have this. My well meaning F-I-L who has installed several pool liners insists we can do it ourselves and save the install costs. He's telling me to go out and just buy a new liner and next month we'll install it togethor. ::)
I'm not a big fan of wading around in cold water streachting out the wrinkles. I am thining drop the extra few bucks and let the local pro do it. :-/
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Chris, when we replaced our overlap liner, the installer put in a beaded liner because it was so much less expensive than taking the top rim off and reinstalling it on the pool. Wouldn't that be an option for Drew? The only thing that I really don't like is that he convinced me that leaving my old l liner on the sidewalls provided protection for the new liner. That made sense, but it caused several wrinkles that we weren't able to work out. this year I am going to need a new skimmer and I dread doing it because I am afraid I will cause a leak when I replace it. It is really hard to find anyone around where I live to do any work on above ground pools. The nice thing, Drew, is when you get a new liner, it will seem like you have a whole new pool.
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I have never heard of keeping the old liner in place. As stated before to protect the liner from the wall one would use the polyfoam as stated previously.
I wouldn't be concerned about the liner leaking because of a replacement skimmer. They are replaced all the time just make sure you use new gaskets.
On another note on why not to use the same liner, when the pool is installed and you fill the pool with water the installer will have a hard time to make sure the liner does not stretch at the location of the skimmer.
Also, I was somewhat wrong and right on my previous posts. The liner will shrink when the water is taken out of the pool, but it does stretch when the water is added.
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How about switching to a beaded liner for Drew? I liked the quality of the beaded liners better than the overlap replacement ones. I think the installer just gave me a line about leaving the old one in place, he wasn't too ambitious and I really think now I could have done a better job by myself! You are right about matching the skimmer hole and return, I would worry about that too.
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How about switching to a beaded liner for Drew? I liked the quality of the beaded liners better than the overlap replacement ones. I think the installer just gave me a line about leaving the old one in place, he wasn't too ambitious and I really think now I could have done a better job by myself! You are right about matching the skimmer hole and return, I would worry about that too.
I am going to look into that as well. My wife and I are going back and forth over this. I've got a pool guy comming out next weekend to look at our current situation, and discuss our options in detail so we finally can make an informed decision.
I like the idea of upgrading the liner to a beaded one as well as the poly foam, but If I am going to do that, I might as well put in the new larger pool. I can't see spending more than a few hundred on this old clunker. Originally, the plan was to replace the liner myself for a few hundred bucks and be done with it for a few years until the thing just fell apart. But now, I', thinking, there's no time like the present to get it done and install a new one.
Bonnie, replacing the skimmer is easy and you shouldn't get any leaks. It's pretty easy. I did mine myself last spring. Get the right gasket, and quality s.s. screws and you'll be fine. :D
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Drew, I think you will find that to get someone to replace the liner is almost as expensive as a new pool!
I think I paid over $800.00 three years ago. My pool is 24X24 and it is comfortable and very easy to maintain. I use a solar cover on it and get my water warm real early in the season. Anyway I am going to order the skimmer and I guess I will have to go into the pool before I fill it back up...so that should be an adventure! My old skimmer is 1/2 marine epoxy and I really have no choice this year but to replace it.
Drew, have you ever used the skimmer with the blank that fits over the opening in the winter? supposedly you don't have to drop your water level. I was wondering how well they work. Thanks, Boni
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Drew, I think you will find that to get someone to replace the liner is almost as expensive as a new pool!
I think I paid over $800.00 three years ago. My pool is 24X24 and it is comfortable and very easy to maintain. I use a solar cover on it and get my water warm real early in the season. Anyway I am going to order the skimmer and I guess I will have to go into the pool before I fill it back up...so that should be an adventure! My old skimmer is 1/2 marine epoxy and I really have no choice this year but to replace it.
Drew, have you ever used the skimmer with the blank that fits over the opening in the winter? supposedly you don't have to drop your water level. I was wondering how well they work. Thanks, Boni
I can buy a liner for about $300 and install it myslef and be done with it. Anything more than that. I am considering a new pool. (But I also have to consider the cost and time of taking down and removing the old pool. Fun. fun. fun.)
I never put a cover over the skimmer plate. I disconect the hoses from the skimmer, as well as the filter outlet, drain below this line and winterize.
I run antifreeze through the pump and filter, and open all the petcocks and drain plugs, put in the winterizer kit, pillow and cover. That's it.
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I spoek with the Esther Williams dealer this weekend and we went round and round on all the different options; buy a liner, install myself, have them install it, upgrade the liner to to a V-Cahnnel bead, foaming and new pools (and sizes and placements et all).
The dealer was very impressed with my exsiting steel pool. He identifiyied as some funny brand, and dated it to be about 20 years old. He wasimpressed at how well it had held up.
However after thinnking about it and pricing it all out, the old pool is not long for this world. I decided to upgrade to a slightly larger, round pool, extruded aluminum with a nice beefy cap rail, and fancy-smancy corinthian collums for supports. ;D This is a good pool that will let me now focus on doing the decks in the next few years. Yea! Installation should be complete before July 4.
Oh, FWIW:
I did ask him about buying a demo pool and he too stated the liner should be replaced, unless it's a high end liner (some of the better ones can run 7-$800 for an AGP. But unless the dealer really knows what he is doing and is willing to really work the old liner, he feels that 90% of the time, a demo pool should be fitted with a new liner.
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Did you get the panel wall? I think it is the Carosel.
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Did you get the panel wall? I think it is the Carosel.
No. When I first looked at it, I thought "ugh. That looks like siding". The rep then showed me how it all worked and I was impressed. The Panel is rated for semi inground applications and showed me some pics of some stunning installs. I did like the hokey "port hole" opton. I thought it would look neat at night with the tub lit up. Either that or it would like a spaceship landed in my yard. ;)
I went with the one below the caraosle, I belive it's the classic.
I had considered an oblong, but I don't care for the "butresses" that ovals require. Plus I was * stunned * at the price differene with the oblongs (2x).