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Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: play23 on November 08, 2004, 08:59:23 pm

Title: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: play23 on November 08, 2004, 08:59:23 pm

Can anyone out there in the Hot Tub world tell me the difference in R=value between foam-filled and non-foam filled spas?

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: salesdvl on November 08, 2004, 10:31:22 pm

That would depend on the amount of inches of foam, the density of the foam etc...  Every manufacturer has a different take on this.

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: ebirrane on November 08, 2004, 10:42:56 pm

Our Hot Springs dealer told us our tub has an R value of 39-40 on the sides.  R value is not a great estimator of efficiency as at some point you reach the point of diminishing returns.  Yes, R40 is great and our tub is toasty and cheap to run.   That doesn't mean R30 is bad.

I think a good hot tub cover is R-20.

For non-foam I would imagine the R value fluctuates depending on how much the pumps are going, the outside temp, wind, etc.

-Ed


Oh, and almost forgot...

GRENADE!!!

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: windsurfdog on November 08, 2004, 11:02:41 pm

This is such a worn out topic.  Please search this site for "full foam" or "thermal pane" and read to your heart's content or until your stomach loses it's contents.
8)

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Steve on November 08, 2004, 11:23:51 pm

LOL!! ;D

My Tub has an R 3000 though I've heard some have an R 9001 but that just seems preposterous to me... ;D

Sorry play 23 but everyone will tell you theirs is best. Some will tell you R value means nothing and that there's no way to determine it accurately. Anyone remember tht post? I think it came from H2O2?

Wanna see a tub with the best of both worlds?
(http://www.hydropoolhottubs.com/Hydropool.data/Components/features/ftrimgs/thermalloc_10thermalloc_10.jpg   )

Hydropool - Click Here (http://www.hydropoolhottubs.com)

(Everyone thinks theirs is best but it's really just mine)

Steve

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: poolboy34 on November 08, 2004, 11:54:44 pm

let's face facts, if a hot tub isn't energy efficient not many people are going to buy it right???  so if you go with a name brand tub you won't have any worries.  no matter if it is full foam, partial foam, thermal lock, etc....

If companies like Hot spring, dimension One, beachcomber, marquis, coleman, sundance, etc.... nade tubs that weren't energy efficent they wouldn't be in buisness for as long as they have been.  Start focusingf on the more important stuff like comfort, style, and jet placement.  And also if the dealer is reputable or not, and makes you feel comfortable with them and the product they are selling you.

Jason,
Store manager for a D-1 & caldera dealer

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Steve on November 09, 2004, 12:13:23 am

Yeh....that's what I just said ??? ;D

Steve
Western Canadian  Dealer Development Partner Hydropool Hot Tubs & Swimspas

(You should see the size of my business cards!! ;D )

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: spahappy on November 09, 2004, 01:48:03 am

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Yeh....that's what I just said ??? ;D

Steve
Western Canadian  Dealer Development Partner Hydropool Hot Tubs & Swimspas

(You should see the size of my business cards!! ;D )

Steve, you know size doesn't matter! :o It's what you do with it that counts. ; ::)


Spahappy :D

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Steve on November 09, 2004, 02:04:39 am

Ahhh yes..very true my happy friend!

I keep it hidden away and when I want someone to know what I'm really all about, I whip it out! It says everything anybody really needs to know about me! ;D

I keep on my hard drive and never on a floppy! ;)

Steve

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: spahappy on November 09, 2004, 09:38:33 am

Yeh....that's what I just said  

Steve
Western Canadian  Dealer Development Partner Hydropool Hot Tubs & Swimspas

(You should see the size of my business cards!!  )

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Ahhh yes..very true my happy friend!

I keep it hidden away and when I want someone to know what I'm really all about, I whip it out! It says everything anybody really needs to know about me! ;D

I keep on my hard drive and never on a floppy! ;)

Steve

Steve are you trying to start some "business card envy"? I guess I'm out of this one lol... ;)

Spahappy :D

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Chas on November 09, 2004, 12:23:10 pm

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Wanna see a tub with the best of both worlds?
(http://www.hydropoolhottubs.com/Hydropool.data/Components/features/ftrimgs/thermalloc_10thermalloc_10.jpg   )

Hydropool - Click Here (http://www.hydropoolhottubs.com)

(Everyone thinks theirs is best but it's really just mine)

Steve

That looks to me like a full-foam spa with some voids. I know they blow the hot air from the motors around in one of the air gaps, but I still think that the bulk of the energy retention is coming from the foam insulation. I love the way they use the word "polyfilm" instead of "sheet of plastic."

Oh well. I'm in for it now...

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Steve on November 09, 2004, 05:38:46 pm

Ohh man, I'm going to track you down at NSPI like a dog! >:(

Polyfilm is a specially engineered product by the owners brother who knows an engineer. ;) ;D

Steve

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: salesdvl on November 09, 2004, 06:11:47 pm

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Polyfilm is a specially engineered product by the owners brother who knows an engineer. ;) ;D

Steve

Cool, does he let him wear the hat, pull the whistle cord, and yell "Chooo  Chooooo "??  That would be the best part about knowing an "engineer".   :P

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Tman122 on November 09, 2004, 06:17:26 pm

Aren't garbage bags made from polyfilm?

As long as a tub has insulation you should be fine!

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Phil on November 09, 2004, 09:36:30 pm

Everyone STOP, Colaborate and Listen, Phil is back with a brand new invention!  (v. ice 1989 let it go Phil)


I am now building and insulating hot tubs with deer hides.  Seriously it is R bloody and my brothers wifes cousin's sisters boyfriends nephew is an engineer and he says that its a good idea.  

Thats the way us rednecks do it, booth number 3938 NSPI!

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Steve on November 09, 2004, 09:52:58 pm

I'm there with bells on man! Raindeer bells that is! Can anyone buy in? ;D

It's no wonder they call you Phil...You Phil a void in this industry that we've needed for many years! :)

Steve

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Tman122 on November 10, 2004, 05:58:37 am

You know your a red neck when you actualy look forward to starin down a hole cut through the ice with a stubby fishing rod in your hand in the cold blowing snow!

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Phil on November 10, 2004, 06:23:54 am

Steve, actually its fill, hot tub fill to you, LOL!

Rog, you know your a redneck when your richest relative buys a new home and you gotta go help him take the wheels off, but seriously rog, i figured i knew i was  a redneck when i started going to the dump and coming back with more than i took there! ;D ;D

allright, sorry everyone, no more dumb @ss comments it's just the time of year........




gotta go shoot another deer, number 7 coming this morning.....

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Lori on November 10, 2004, 06:45:45 am

ROTFL!!!

Thanks guys!  I needed a good laugh this morning!

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: tonyp on November 10, 2004, 08:58:19 am

Is that why my tub is on a trailer without wheels behind my house?? ;D

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: kluzo on November 10, 2004, 09:52:03 am

Thats funny right there and I don't care who ya are!

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Phil on November 10, 2004, 07:23:17 pm

This ones for LORI!!!!!

Lori, you know your a redneck when you've been married three times and STILL have the same in-laws, you think Taco Bell is a mexican phone company, and best yet...........OKLAHOMA has a law that when you get divorced you are STILL legally brother and sister!!!!

BTW, where you from again?????

;D    LMFAO     ;D

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Lori on November 10, 2004, 07:31:21 pm

Phil,

I only have a sister!  LOL!!!  I always heard that was Arkansas.  In Oklahoma, it is illegal to take a bite out of someone else's hamburger!

Yea, I'm in Oklahoma, and the weather is crazy!  As Will Rogers used to say (and this is not a direct quote) If you don't like the weather, wait a minute.  We are having spring again!  Tornadoes all around!  Woohoo!

No tubbing tonight!

Thanks for the laugh!!!  ;D

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: salesdvl on November 10, 2004, 08:39:03 pm

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I'm there with bells on man!

Steve

OK, First of all I think everyone will agree that there is very little interest in Steve showing up wearing only bells.  ;)

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: salesdvl on November 10, 2004, 08:40:24 pm

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You know your a red neck when you actualy look forward to starin down a hole cut through the ice with a stubby fishing rod in your hand in the cold blowing snow!

Secondly: I am uncomfortable with the hole "holding a stubby rod in my hand " conversation.  ;)

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Tman122 on November 11, 2004, 05:00:39 am

Obviously we are sick of the insulation debate.

That there is a funny string, I don't care who ya are.

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: windsurfdog on November 11, 2004, 07:36:30 am

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Obviously we are sick of the insulation debate.

It has always been thus.........
8)

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: Zoo on November 11, 2004, 06:00:14 pm

Hi Play23,

   This is an old topic for the veterans of this forum (I don't think that Hottubman will even post to these anymore). From everything that I have learned, you will have excellent energy efficiency (along with great construction, quality, and warranty/support) if you buy a hot tub from a reputable manufacurer (e.g. Watkins, Jacuzzi/Sundance, BC, D1, Marquis etc). If the TP tubs don't have the same R value as a FF tub they seem to compensate for it via utilizing heat from the motors etc back to the water. Two companies that seem to do a good job with this are the Coleman line and Artic.


     Zoo

Title: Re: Insulation on a hot tub
Post by: spahappy on November 11, 2004, 08:10:03 pm

I'll vouch for Coleman!!!


Spahappy