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Brand Specific Forums => Hot Spring Spas => Topic started by: shoemaker on November 01, 2004, 10:18:27 am
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So now you know we purchased a Hot Springs Envoy. I have 2 questions.
1. According to the Hot Springs Website this tub is "SpaAudio" ready. What does that mean exactly? I didin't see any connectors on the outside of the tub. (That doesn't mean they were not there, I just didn't see them)
2. They offered 3 different ways of water purification. Chlorine, Bromine, and something called "Fresh Water" ( I think that's what it was called). We went with the Fresh Water system. Can someone give me more information on that system?
Thanks.
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So now you know we purchased a Hot Springs Envoy. I have 2 questions.
So far . . . ;) 1. According to the Hot Springs Website this tub is "SpaAudio" ready. What does that mean exactly? I didin't see any connectors on the outside of the tub. (That doesn't mean they were not there, I just didn't see them)
The sides of the spa have hubs bonded to the back of the shell in two places for the attachment of the drivers or "transducers."
There is a special place to put the amp - which is a huge thing! There is a set of conduits (actually just tubing) run here and there with pull strings already in place. These are for such things as the power cord to the amp, the transducer wires, and the control link wires. The spa uses the same buttons already on the Aux panel to control the Spaudio - though the 'Navigator' remote also can control the system with better results.2. They offered 3 different ways of water purification. Chlorine, Bromine, and something called "Fresh Water" ( I think that's what it was called). We went with the Fresh Water system. Can someone give me more information on that system?
Thanks.
The Freshwater system is a set of chemicals which are made by the folks who produce Liesure Time chems - but they are private-labled for HotSpring. This system is based on Dichlor and MPS for shock, and may or may not come with the N2 catridge. They work just fine, and I sell them for the same or less than LT. "Freshwater III" is the name of the ozone system - check to see if that's what you got. If so - you got about $400+ worth of goodies.
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what Chas said.
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what Chas said.
You always say that. :) ;) :D ;D
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We got the upgraded Ozone - CD I believe is what it was called. He also threw in the Cartridge for this system and he upgraded the filters from the standard to the 3-D (X-3 I think it is called) filters.
We also got the steps, cover, lifter, the above chemicals, a hand held vacuum, a booster cushion (sp) for my wife, the GFCI (??) box, and delivery included.
Is this the Freshwater III system that you are talking about?
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I have the Envoy with the Freshwater system. This includes the ozonator and the Silver Ion cartridge. The HS cartridge is the same as the Nature 2.
I was told to add 2 tbls of MPS before each use and shock with a 1.5 oz package of DiClor once a week. So far water is clear after 2 months. Still using the chems that the dealer supplied except for the MPS and the PH- which I've had to replenish.
The Ion cartridge needs to be replace every 3-4 months at under $30.
I use SpaGuard Spa Shock for MPS and their Enhanced Shock for DiChlor. Dealer provide a box of 1.5 oz packages but when I run out I'll buy a 2 or 4 lb. container and measure it out myself. I'm collecting old film containers to put my pre-measured chems into for the winter.
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What I usually mean is: "What the hell did Chas say"?
It's just in simplist form it comes out "what Chas said" kinda like "me hungry"
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just kidding chas. ( see, there it is again )
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We got the upgraded Ozone - CD I believe is what it was called. He also threw in the Cartridge for this system and he upgraded the filters from the standard to the 3-D (X-3 I think it is called) filters.
We also got the steps, cover, lifter, the above chemicals, a hand held vacuum, a booster cushion (sp) for my wife, the GFCI (??) box, and delivery included.
Is this the Freshwater III system that you are talking about?
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Oh U B stylin!! Yes, that's the full-boat system. Freshwater III ozone is great, and the fact they included the N2 catridge is very good. You have the ability to soak chlorine free, backed up with chlorine shocks once a month or after a group gets outa the tub. The ozone system doesn't require any bulbs or chips to be replaced - is supposed to go ten years.
Awesome!
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“he upgraded the filters from the standard to the 3-D (X-3 I think it is called) filters.”
I thought they automatically came with the Envoy. Any comments?
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Oops. Yes - the Envoy does come standard with the Tri-X filters. That one snuck by...
Perhaps he meant - and you should ask for - an extra filter so you can rotate them. Even if they offer you a single regular (old style) filter, take it. You can put that filter on the circ pump and have an extra Tri-X to rotate on the other positions. The old-style filter is more than ample for the circ pump.
From the sound of it, you are getting a lot of nice extras - I have a strong feeling the dealer is trying to be sure your experience with the other company is not repeated....
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Oops my bad.
You're right they X-3 filters were standard on that tub. He did give us an extra so we could rotate. We wet tested 4 tubs there and one had the standard filters, the Soverign maybe? or the Vangard?
It was a GREAT deal. Got all of the above for $7995.00 plus tax !
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Oh U B stylin!! Yes, that's the full-boat system. Freshwater III ozone is great, and the fact they included the N2 catridge is very good. You have the ability to soak chlorine free, backed up with chlorine shocks once a month or after a group gets outa the tub. The ozone system doesn't require any bulbs or chips to be replaced - is supposed to go ten years.
Awesome!
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Thanks Chas, we thought we got a very good deal. And my wife really can't stand the smell of chlorine. She thought it was dumb to have to take a shower after you get out of the spa because you smell like chlorine.
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She shouldnt have to shower after. If you put the small amount of chlorine in after you get out by the time the next evening rolls around there wont be any chlorine left. It will either get burned up in the process of killing something or get oxidized by the ozone.
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Shoe,
As Salesdvl states you DO need to use some chlorine. Put it in after use and it'll do its job and dissipate before your soak the next day. Don't be tempted by promises of using Nature 2 without chlorine, you'll end up with bath water isntead of spa water.
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Thanks Chas, we thought we got a very good deal. And my wife really can't stand the smell of chlorine. She thought it was dumb to have to take a shower after you get out of the spa because you smell like chlorine.
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shoe,
That sounds like a GREAT system with which you should be very happy.
As a comment on your chlorine statements: It sounds like you have been told some things re: proper chlorine management that just aren't true. A properly chlorinated tub does not smell like chlorine. A tub that is in big need of a shock may smell like chlorine. Weekly shocks prevent this. Normally, if adding chlorine after soaking, one soaks in very little if any free chlorine....the only chlorine being what little bit has already combined with contaminants and are awaiting oxidation (shock).
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salesdvl,
Both you and tuo got me that time......I've gotta quit taking these work breaks when composing posts......
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Ok, so what gives?
One says shock monthly, one says chlorine daily if used every day, and one says weekly shocks?
I guess I'll jusy have to figure out what works best after I have it up and being used. (The TUB guys, the tub !)
LOL ;D ;D ;D
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that we bought the tub in Pearl with the Grey Cabinet. The lights look great in the dark !
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Ok, so what gives?
One says shock monthly, one says chlorine daily if used every day, and one says weekly shocks?
I guess I'll jusy have to figure out what works best after I have it up and being used. (The TUB guys, the tub !)
LOL ;D ;D ;D
Shock frequency will depend on:
# uses/week
How many bathers/use
Length of time per soak
Sanitizer system(s) used
Do not confuse adding dichlor after use with shocking. Adding ichlor after use will be to neutralize organics that we leave in the tub. That dichlor changes to a chloramine. Shocking whether it be dichlor od MPS will be needed to turn the chloramines into a gas that will be allowed to be exhausted into the atmosphere. An ozone system will reduce the frequency of shocking as it is more of an oxidizer than a sanitizer.
HTM
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that we bought the tub in Pearl with the Grey Cabinet. The lights look great in the dark !
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Same here - great color combo
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Shoe,
As Salesdvl states you DO need to use some chlorine. Put it in after use and it'll do its job and dissipate before your soak the next day. Don't be tempted by promises of using Nature 2 without chlorine, you'll end up with bath water isntead of spa water.
You can soak chlorine free with the Freshwater III system. You put in an oxidizer - MPS - after each use, and you shock with chlorine once a month or after a group gets out.
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or after a group gets out.
That last part is the KEY but I'd add chlorine weekly at a minimum and after use at the first sign of cloudiness or if its a group as you allude to.
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Good luck Shoe. You'll figure it out. The one thing that I would add to the good advice you got here is that you should pick a system and stick to it. I have customers that come into my store and are all screwed up and it's because they are following bits & pieces of different programs. Something like " It started getting a little cloudy and my neighbor says he just puts a little bleach in his......" :(
Good choice on the pearl/gray. :)
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Good luck Shoe. You'll figure it out. The one thing that I would add to the good advice you got here is that you should pick a system and stick to it. I have customers that come into my store and are all screwed up and it's because they are following bits & pieces of different programs. Something like " It started getting a little cloudy and my neighbor says he just puts a little bleach in his......" :(
Good choice on the pearl/gray. :)
Thanks. And you're right about figuring it out and then sticking with it.
Our dealer has a chem lab right in the store and they told us to fill the spa and then bring them a water sample. They would then tell us what to add to the water and how much. It can't get much easier than that !
The color was an easy choice when you consider the interior lighting. It just wouldn't be as nice with a blue or green shell.
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Hey, hey, hey ! Just got my call from the HS dealer. Delivery is scheduled for Thursday afternoon !
Electrician is scheduled for Friday morning ! We could be tubbin by Saturday !!
Yippeeeeeee !
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Hey, hey, hey ! Just got my call from the HS dealer. Delivery is scheduled for Thursday afternoon !
Electrician is scheduled for Friday morning ! We could be tubbin by Saturday !!
Yippeeeeeee !
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OK---Everybody to shoemaker's for a big tub party Saturday night! :D :D :D......shoe--please forward directions and stock plenty of Capt. Mo Private Stock for me, please......... 8)
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OK---Everybody to shoemaker's for a big tub party Saturday night! :D :D :D......shoe--please forward directions and stock plenty of Capt. Mo Private Stock for me, please......... 8)
No problem, but you pay your own way to get here !
And I already have the Private Stock on the shelf !!
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email me the mapquest instructions and i'll bring my own Weisers Deluxe and ginger ale.
HTM
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email me the mapquest instructions and i'll bring my own Weisers Deluxe and ginger ale.
HTM
Ok, email has been sent. See ya Saturday night around 7 !
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Congratulations, Shoe!!!
These next couple of days are going to feel like years, but once you are there, it is bliss!!!
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Congratulations, Shoe!!!
These next couple of days are going to feel like years, but once you are there, it is bliss!!!
Yeah, I know what you mean. And the worst part is that I am away on Business the 9th through the 12th and again the 15th through the 19th ! :-[ :-[ :-[
So I'll only get to use it on the weekends !
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And I already have the Private Stock on the shelf !!;)
You are DA MAN!!!!! ;D
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Yeah, I know what you mean. And the worst part is that I am away on Business the 9th through the 12th and again the 15th through the 19th ! :-[ :-[ :-[
So I'll only get to use it on the weekends !
Just think how wonderful those precious times in the tub on those weekends will be!
It will just whet your appetite for more!!! Believe me, it is hard to be away! My husband wanted to get in the hot tub at the hotel we were in at Taos, until the bartenders told us some of the locals who don't have water like to try and use it for their bath! EEWWWWW!
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That is so gross. They're probably not up on the latest in water management either.
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That is so gross. They're probably not up on the latest in water management either.
That is why I told my hubby that I had a monogamous relationship with my Vanguard. There are a few people I would trust, but none of them were taking care of that tub!
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Here Here. The thought of soaking in a tub with someone else's "Cheese Popcorn" is not at all appealing. :(
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There's not enough chlorine in the world........
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Here Here. The thought of soaking in a tub with someone else's "Cheese Popcorn" is not at all appealing. :(
How about "Cheesie Poofs" ?
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OK.......no "head cheese" jokes......... :D
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OK.......no "head cheese" jokes......... :D
You're no fun. No running with scissors. No singing at the table. No Head Cheese jokes. Jeeze. :-X
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You're no fun. No running with scissors. No singing at the table. No Head Cheese jokes. Jeeze. :-X
Really .... I'll bet he never played "look at the bubbles I can make in the bathtub" when he was a kid !
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Hey this thread hasn't gone "off topic" has it?
LOL ;D
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I used to love that game. I was champion 3 years in a row. ;D ;D :-/
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I used to love that game. I was champion 3 years in a row. ;D ;D :-/
From ages 23 to 25 maybe?
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35-38.... ( I got "held back" a "couple" of times. )
:( :)
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35-38.... ( I got "held back" a "couple" of times. )
:( :)
ROTFLMFAO !
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I feel sorry for all the potential Hot Springs customers reading this thread in search of credible information....... ::) ;)
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Hey it doesnt have to be Hot Spring. We are an equal opportunity group.
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I feel sorry for all the potential Hot Springs customers reading this thread in search of credible information....... ::) ;)
Well you know, sometimes, people can take things just a bit TOO seriously.
And since I had my answer (and anyone reading this thread should have as well) by the end of the 2nd page. So lighten up a little and have some fun.........
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Well you know, sometimes, people can take things just a bit TOO seriously.
So lighten up a little and have some fun.........
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That's what I've been thinking.
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ROFLMAO......just got to this one......YOU GUYS ARE A HOOT!
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ROFLMAO......just got to this one......YOU GUYS ARE A HOOT!
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Awh gee, thanks !
If we are going to be friends, then we might as well enjoy each others company. Right?
Did you say you were coming to my Envoy Grand Opening this Saturday night?
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I'll be there with my shaker, some martini stems, some Van Gogh gin, a spritz of dry vermouth and some bleu cheese stuffed olives......can't wait!
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I'll be there with my shaker, some martini stems, some Van Gogh gin, a spritz of dry vermouth and some bleu cheese stuffed olives......can't wait!
8)
The PARTY will have to be changed to Monday Night ! See my post on the other thread.
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