Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: huh? on September 21, 2004, 08:23:19 pm
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This ones for you Vinny. ;D
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THANKS!!!!
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I'm sure the Canadians will argue Beer...but a good merlot......
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.....Is almost as good as a nice stout. ;)
Brewman
Who isn't Canadian, and also like a nice glass of merlot on occasion!
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Just seen this. A keyboard for the Canadians.
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Wife prefers white wine, I prefer red.
As for beer - Anything BUT Bud! Although I tried stout years ago and it was too bitter then, my tastes have changed a little, I've come to appreciate some bitter beer.
Best beer I've tasted so far is Bodington's Pub Ale - has a floating nitrous "tank" inside the can to give it it's head when the can is opened. It's a little bitter but real creamy and smooth, only problem it comes in a 4 pack but the cans are 16 oz instead of 12! I hear for a quick buzz, Molsen's XXX is supposed to have 2x the alcohol content.
And it's almost October and time for Oktoberfest beer - wait I'm Italian what do I know about Oktoberfest! But the Feast of San Genaro is happening - Time for wine, sausage sandwiches and zeppole's- Yeah!!
Enough rambling, I'm getting something with alcohol!
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Wife prefers white wine, I prefer red.
As for beer - Anything BUT Bud! Although I tried stout years ago and it was too bitter then, my tastes have changed a little, I've come to appreciate some bitter beer.
Best beer I've tasted so far is Bodington's Pub Ale - has a floating nitrous "tank" inside the can to give it it's head when the can is opened. It's a little bitter but real creamy and smooth, only problem it comes in a 4 pack but the cans are 16 oz instead of 12! I hear for a quick buzz, Molsen's XXX is supposed to have 2x the alcohol content.
And it's almost October and time for Oktoberfest beer - wait I'm Italian what do I know about Oktoberfest! But the Feast of San Genaro is happening - Time for wine, sausage sandwiches and zeppole's- Yeah!!
Enough rambling, I'm getting something with alcohol!
Vinny,
I'm with you on the Bud! I drink one Bud (or a glass of wine for that matter) and you might as well just smack me in the head with a hammer for the headache I'll get (don't get any ideas WSD)!
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Very cold Miller Light in a bottle on a hot summer day at the lake.
Semi dry red wine while soaking in the spa on a cool fall evening.
Peppermint schnapps in hot chocolate after cross county skiing in the winter.
Some homemade chokecherry or wild plum wine in the spring.
Bombay Gin and grapefruit anytime of the year.
And themolpane is better than fullfoam, oops that just slipped out!
Spahappy
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beer, mgd or most candian lagers are good.
wine, I prefer reisling and guerrtzaminer, more fruity and flavorful than other varieties.
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And it's almost October and time for Oktoberfest beer - wait I'm Italian what do I know about Oktoberfest! But the Feast of San Genaro is happening - Time for wine, sausage sandwiches and zeppole's- Yeah!!
Enough rambling, I'm getting something with alcohol!
Vinny, since you are Italian I thought I would let you know, Octoberfest starts in September. It actually started last Saturday in Munich, and will continue until October 3.
I'm not German, but my boss is there, so I am wishing him many headaches!!! LOL!!!
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1. Wild Turkey 101, on ice.
2. A good chianti - almost anyone that has classico and reserve on the label will be good - trust me.
3. A good Merlot - and many can be found for around $8 a bottle.
4. A good craft beer - not Sam Adams - I don't like their ads. And not Petes - heck these are not craft beers anyway.
5. Good import beers, Bass Ale, Harp, Negra Modelo for example.
6. A good White wine, prefer oak aged.
7. Sunday Brunch a strong and Spicey Bloody Mary
8. On the 8th Tee (if memory serves) at the Grandaddy in Myrtle Beach on a nice hot morning, a Mimosa.
That about covers it.
Oh, yes, after mowing or doing other dirty laboreous work a good old Ice Cold Miller Lite - bottles preferred.
Bud products stink on toast, if its them or starve, I choose to starve.
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Have you seen Coors Light's new TV ads? They claim to be the "Coldest Tasting Beer." Uh... when was the last time you tasted a beer and said, "Man, that beer tastes cold."? Beers are cold. They don't taste cold.
I've been drinking Sam Adams Octoberfest in my tub here lately. Yeah, I read the previous posts. I may be a loner on this one. Oh yeah, Spaten makes a good Octoberfest.
And Bud Light is far superior to Miller Lite. Miller Lite is no different than Coors Light. That crap had better be "the coldest tasting beer" in order to drink it.
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I'm an avid wine fan and, oddly, just got into an actual "debate" on the subject with an avid beer fan friend of mine.
Bottom line?
Wine has more variety and more complex flavors. While there are over 50,000 types of beers in the world the process of making beer attempts to attain consistency from batch to batch. Most wine is different from year to year, some from aging, but most because the main ingrediant (grapes) vary from year to year. Some wineries blend to achieve consistency, but fine paletes (not mine!) can discern years. Wine, not predmoninantly a food product, ages and that aging, especially in oak, imparts flavor complexity. But who wants to have to pay $100-$5000 for a complex flavor?!
Beer goes much better with traditional "American" food (grilled meats) and with spicy food (Thai, mexican). Much of this is because most beers are carbonated and the little bubbles help "lift" spicy food up off the palette and to keep the palette clean. To get the same pairing from wine you'd have to go fizzy wine for spicy food (some Dom Perignon with your taco, sir?) or for the kind of meats I char on my grill, a tannic red for "game" meats which is usually described as having a boquet of "dung", "moss", and/or "leather". Now, those are awfully hard sells over "wanna corona?"
As for Merlot being $8, a decent Merlot used to be *less* before the "French paradox" was introduced in 1998. And it seems that beer can have just as many positive effects as wine. The only problem being beer (again being a food product) can have many more calories than wine. I guess you don't often hear of people sporting a "wine belly".
Anyway, just thought it was interesting to see this as a topic. The beer/wine debate is actually taken quite seriously by some wine and beer makers and the arguments on both sides are fascinating. I respect wine more, but a drink more beer, mostly because beer is cheaper. Meaning you can get a good beer for less than you can get a good wine.
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-ed
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2. A good chianti - almost anyone that has classico and reserve on the label will be good - trust me.
WINE SNOB ALERT. Stop reading now if you don't care about wine. ;D
Alot of people think that Chianti Classico is a special, "classic" kind of Chianti. It isn't!
Here's a nice description from google: http://www.kilkelly.com/Chianti.html
"The Chianti Classico wine region is the best known of seven Chianti zones in Tuscany. The other six zones are Montalbano, Colli Fiorentini, Rufina, Colli Aretini, Colli Senesi and Colline Pisane. Chianti Classico refers to the zone between Florence and Siena, marked by the symbol of the Chianti Classico wine consortium, the 'gallo nero,' or black rooster."
Chianti Classico is not a "special" kind of Chianti, though some may prefer the wines from that region to wines from a different Chianti region (and when we say Chianti we usually mean the red wine made in Chianti from the sangiovese grape).
And people wonder why "Chianti Classico" is such a steal being comparitively priced to other Chiantis!
The thing to look for is "riserva" which indicates that, by law, it has been aged a certain amount of time, with some portion of that aging occuring in oak. Here is an excellent, short description of riserva (among other things) from http://www.westcoastwine.net/brunello1.html
"To become Brunello, the wine must age for four years, three of which must be in large oak casks. To become Riserva, it must age for an additional year. These are the old laws, but many producers still adhere to them. Under the new laws, the aging may be reduced so that Brunello can be released after 3 years, 4 years for Riserva. Producers have embraced this new law very enthusiastically, since it allows them to release wines from weaker vintages sooner, thereby "saving" the wine from excessive oaking. Many of the 1991 and 1992 Brunello were dried out and tired upon release after 3 years in oak. Producers could have made much better wine had the laws been relaxed then. 1993 is the first vintage in which producers were allowed to avail themselves of the new laws. Most producers that I have either had first or second hand knowledge from intend on following the old law when the vintage permits. When the vintage is weaker, these producers will more than likely release early. "
and, from the same place,
"I'm asked a lot what a Riserva is, or what it means or if it's worth it. These are valid questions and they are difficult to answer because it depends a lot on the producer and his fruit sources. What Riserva "must" mean is simple : It must be aged one year longer than the "normale". That's it. So, in theory, any producer could set aside a certain amount of fruit from the same source that he makes his normale from, age it for an additional year and call it Riserva. It may be good, it may be terrible. But one thing is certain, except for the age of the wine, it's not any different!
The key here is know which producers have special lots of fruit that they use to produce a Riserva bottling. Often times it is fruit from a single vineyard, but it does not necessarily have to be the case. However, these wines are usually more distinct, in both ripeness, concentration, complexity and terroir. Some examples of Single Vineyard Riservas that merit attention are : Castello Banfi's Poggio All'Oro, Lisini's Ugolaia, Caparzo's La Casa, and Altesino's Montosoli. Argiano and Barbi usually make excellent Riserva as well, and although they are not always vineyard designated, they do share the characteristics I mentioned above. "
And here is a long article that goes into exactly what classico is and is not, problems in the region, its history, and modern efforts to subzone classico to better define wine qualities:
http://italianfood.about.com/library/weekly/aa030597.htm
Ok, enough from me. :-X
-Ed
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So I guess Jack doesn't fit in here anywhere? :D
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So I guess Jack doesn't fit in here anywhere? :D
It depends on what your trying to achieve. I was going to add something to that affect. Don't eat all day, get in the spa (with a friend of course, don't try this alone) instant cheap drunk.
Did this in Providence, RI one time on a business trip, worked all day at the plant, got back to the hotel, was too tired to eat, took a 7-7 into the hot tub and whoa!
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So I guess Jack doesn't fit in here anywhere? :D
only if you can't afford crown!
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Although I appreciate the complexities/varieties of wine, I drink a heck of a lot more beer.
For wine, it is hard to go wrong with a merlot, although I enjoy valpolicella as well. I tried my hand at "making" wine and ended up with a great imitation amarone. Rarely does white wine pass my lips.
If I am at a pub, and know ahead of time that I am only having a single beer, Guiness would be my choice. At all other times, I drink Alexander Keiths :)
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JD is a fine sipping whiskey.
Now if you want to get snobby, lets get some single malt scotch into the mix. MMMMMMMMMMM....... :)
Brewman
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It depends on what your trying to achieve. I was going to add something to that affect. Don't eat all day, get in the spa (with a friend of course, don't try this alone) instant cheap drunk.
Who you callin' a cheap drunk..!! Oh sorry general term, got it. Damn it man pass the bottle here. ;D
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Funny, I've never been crazy about either one. (Unless it is a good bottle of Asti Spumante...brings back those college days...and sailing days...and...anyway...)
My Mother-In-Law makes a killer Sangria, though. Of course, being spanish, she ought to. I was privleged to be Sangria maker for last Christmas! Of course, gone within the first hour of everyone arriving!! (That is about the only way I can drink red wine!)
If I have my choice, I choose Asti, but there are many other choices, none of which fit in the two mentioned in the subject!!! Not that crazy about beer.
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Me either. Never really liked the taste of beer. So I guess if I only had beer and wine to chose from I guess it would have to be wine - any cheap bottle I guess since I seem to have no taste.. :-X
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Me either. Never really liked the taste of beer. So I guess if I only had beer and wine to chose from I guess it would have to be wine - any cheap bottle I guess since I seem to have no taste.. :-X
I sort of feel the same way, but I might go on the side of the beer. Glad you weren't offended by cheap drunk. Maybe I'll change my answer to, Whatever gets the suits off faster.
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Sue me, I spelled it Reserve instead of Riserva!
And French Paradox or no, there are many good drinkable Merlots available for fair prices.
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My tastes are simple. My staple, October through May, Johnny Walker Red on the rocks sometimes with a twist. You can keep the JW Blacks and Blues, as there are a few single malts that kick Johnny's rear end for the same buck. For tub time, a nice iced Drambuie can't be beat. The summer means vodka on the rocks, prefer Absolut but Smirnoff will suffice, with a bottle of Beefeaters and tonic dissappearing somewhere between June and September. Not sure where it goes, but it just happens. Bass Ale on draught is fine, some micro brews are ok but many are weasle p_ _. Yuengling Lager, "America's Oldest Brewery" is nice on draught, and their YL Light is the best light beer going. IMO. Then again, why not drink a real beer, then a glass of water, then a real beer...........instead of watered down beer?
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Wow, somebody else who likes Yuengling. I'm about 40 miles from the brewery, so it's local for me! I agree with you about light beer - if I'm going to drink water, then I'll just drink water!
Funny thing about beer and water. Did you know that after prohibition, the larger breweries ( c'mon, you know who they are) decided to water down their beer to better appeal to women (women drinkers = increased sales). So what everybody has been drinking since then IS light beer. The newer piss level beers are actually light squared. ;D
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Wow, somebody else who likes Yuengling. I'm about 40 miles from the brewery, so it's local for me! I agree with you about light beer - if I'm going to drink water, then I'll just drink water!
Funny thing about beer and water. Did you know that after prohibition, the larger breweries ( c'mon, you know who they are) decided to water down their beer to better appeal to women (women drinkers = increased sales). So what everybody has been drinking since then IS light beer. The newer piss level beers are actually light squared. ;D
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I sort of feel the same way, but I might go on the side of the beer. Glad you weren't offended by cheap drunk. Maybe I'll change my answer to, Whatever gets the suits off faster.
Hey I've been called worse. :o
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Vinny,
I'm with you on the Bud! I drink one Bud (or a glass of wine for that matter) and you might as well just smack me in the head with a hammer for the headache I'll get (don't get any ideas WSD)!
LOL........I promise to be gentle........
BTW, I love a great beer but there's nothing like a martini made with a very expensive exotic gin with 2 bleu cheese hand stuffed olives......
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As far as beer is concerned, my two staples are Yuengling and Sam Adams, sometimes I'll pick up Sam Adams Summer Brew. If I want something special I'll view what's in the store, now thats it's around Oktoberfest - I'm going to look for Hokashoor (sp?) Oktoberfest beer.
For wine it's either Chardanny for my wife or Merlot or a blended wine for me. There's a new (?) wine out - Luna di Luna - that blends different types of wines together - pretty good for everyday drinking (IMO).
for ebiranne - I was privliged to be able to have a glass of 1962 Chateu Lafite Rothschild back 15 or so years ago. It was a wonderful wine tasting experience - too bad I can't afford things like that every day.
Now for Jack Daniels, I haven't had it in about 8 years. Funny thing happen when I had it the last time with beer, I had a HUGE hangover - I couldn't stop at one, I knew I was in trouble when I saw that empty bottle - thank goodness I wasn't alone. Misery loves company. I have actually never sipped Jack, it always was shots. I'll have to try it.
I grew up with my dad drinking Johnny Walker Black and Red along with Dewers. I do drink it on rare occassions ( I went to a wedding serving nib cans of Bud - this was my first time drinking scotch) but not too often. I have a half gallon of Dewers in my closet that been around for quite a while.
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I know I started it but. I will have to take both sides here
Beers
1. Guiness
2. Murphys
3. Fat Tire
4. Easy Street
Wines
1. Anything dry enough to peel paint
The Ultimate
1 The Glenlivet
-Cheers!
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I have enough brain cells left to enjoy beer, scotch and other whiskey, wine (other than bubbly stuff- instant headache there), vodka, gin, even rum and my favorite liquer- Drambuie.
Brewman
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I have enough brain cells left to enjoy beer, scotch and other whiskey, wine (other than bubbly stuff- instant headache there), vodka, gin, even rum and my favorite liquer- Drambuie.
Brewman
oooOOOooo......Drambuie! A Rusty Nail made with Pinch is a major wintertime treat......
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So I guess Jack doesn't fit in here anywhere? :D
Rut gut to me! :o
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.....Is almost as good as a nice stout. ;)
Brewman
Who isn't Canadian, and also like a nice glass of merlot on occasion!
Well, I'm English, and enjoy merlot...is that a good thing or a bad thing?!?!?lol
saz
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Beer: Alexander Keiths India Pale Ale
Wine: A dry Cabernet/Merlot hybrid
Even Better: Wiser's Deluxe (insert any fine Canadian Rye) with ginger ale and a splash of lime.
But never more than one in the tub ;) ;) ;)
HTMan
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One word.....Booker's.