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Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: CanadianSpaTech on January 29, 2020, 09:59:33 am
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Sodium Bromide is now BANNED in Canada and it is recommended that all "Salt" systems be deactivated and removed.
FYI...
Sodium Bromide is now BANNED in Canada (Think by Nov 2020) and it is recommended that all "Salt" systems be deactivated and removed. Retail sales of sodium bromide will continue until Nov 2020 and then stop to allow retailers time to sell any remaining stock. Kinda odd that they say it can kill you...but sell what you have left
Below clipped from the interweb:
The Canadian government released the following risk mitigation measures to protect the general population from residual exposure.
Manufacturers have been informed of the new changes, and parts and supplies are no longer available for the maintenance of sodium bromide systems.
Manufacturers have cancelled all bromine swimming pools, spa electrolysis devices, or sodium bromide products intended for use in swimming pools and spa electrolysis devices.
Sodium bromide spa products used in combination with potassium monopersulfate are also no longer permitted for use.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/consumer-product-safety/reports-publications/pesticides-pest-management/decisions-updates/reevaluation-decision/2018/sodium-bromide.html#a4
Human Health
To protect the general population from residential exposure, the following risk-reduction measures are required for continued registration of sodium bromide in Canada:
Cancellation of all bromine swimming pool or spa electrolysis devices and sodium bromide products intended to be used with swimming pool or spa electrolysis devices.
Sodium bromide spa products used in combination with potassium monopersulfate will be removed from Schedule 2 of the Pest Control Product Regulations as part of future regulatory amendments and will no longer be permitted for use.
All chlorine swimming pool or spa electrolysis devices are to indicate that they are not to be used with bromide products.
All remaining sodium bromide swimming pool and spa products are to indicate that they are not to be used in combination with electrolysis, ozonation or UV.
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Hasn't Canada been trying to ban Bromine for years now? hopefully the US doesn't follow along to this utter nonsense
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Normally when something is banned for health reasons there is some data of people getting sick and dieing from it. I read the first 10 pages that came up when I googled this and nothing supporting the claim that I could find.
I can’t wait for the ads on TV saying, “If you ever owned or soaked in a hot tub in Canada you may have a claim! Call our law firm and we will get money for you.”
This is so much baloney and I hope and pray the United States never goes this far. I sadly think we are moving in that direction.
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Normally when something is banned for health reasons there is some data of people getting sick and dieing from it. I read the first 10 pages that came up when I googled this and nothing supporting the claim that I could find.
I can’t wait for the ads on TV saying, “If you ever owned or soaked in a hot tub in Canada you may have a claim! Call our law firm and we will get money for you.”
This is so much baloney and I hope and pray the United States never goes this far. I sadly think we are moving in that direction.
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Curious as to your reasoning. This comes from a yearning to learn more and is not at all challenge to your thoughts / stance. I have a cognitive dissonance on this topic as there has got to be both logical and scientific reasoning behind it for Canada to enact this but at the same time we don't have any real data provided. There has to be a measured, public safety-concerned reason for this, no?
(I also did some digging and sort of gave up as I couldn't really find the hard info as to the "why," hence the cognitive dissonance.)
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Normally when something is banned for health reasons there is some data of people getting sick and dieing from it. I read the first 10 pages that came up when I googled this and nothing supporting the claim that I could find.
I can’t wait for the ads on TV saying, “If you ever owned or soaked in a hot tub in Canada you may have a claim! Call our law firm and we will get money for you.”
This is so much baloney and I hope and pray the United States never goes this far. I sadly think we are moving in that direction.
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Curious as to your reasoning. This comes from a yearning to learn more and is not at all challenge to your thoughts / stance. I have a cognitive dissonance on this topic as there has got to be both logical and scientific reasoning behind it for Canada to enact this but at the same time we don't have any real data provided. There has to be a measured, public safety-concerned reason for this, no?
(I also did some digging and sort of gave up as I couldn't really find the hard info as to the "why," hence the cognitive dissonance.)
You are assuming as I used to do that logic and science ruled the decision making process of our governments. At one time I think that was true but we live in a far different world today. It seems we start with a conclusion and then look for facts to substantiate it. When none are there we don’t let that stop us after all we have our conclusion already and we can’t change our minds after all we know chemicals are bad for us right?
I’m sure and I found some mention in the report that enough Sodium Bromide is a bad thing to be in or ingest. It is used to treat water treatment facilities that have gone down hill and need serious treatments to resolve so lets extrapolate those levels to hot tubs and of course that would take our hide off and surely kill us if we drank it.
Some of the manufactures offered questions stating our levels are many times lower than seawater no one is banning soaking in the ocean. The answer was more mumbo jumbo as far as I could understand.
Like every other rule like this people will work around it somehow and it will be impossible to enforce.
I live in Pennsylvania and not the government but PITA is demanding we replace the groundhog with a robot. Haha. We need a law to protect the most well kept well fed groundhog in the world.
If you find any positive reason to drop salt gen systems please let us know. I will be looking more also.
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I too have been searching for more plane language on the ban of sodium bromide without much luck (or being able to understand the technical science mumbo jumbo stuff when I do find information..lol). As a Canadian Tech it is something my spa owner/customers are likely going to have to deal with in the near future. I am already noticing "Discontinued" on a lot of the Canadian spa product web sites that offer Sodium Bromide. I also found a tech offering a decommission package so there may be an upside for my service business. I have never liked or promoted "Salt" systems and as a tech I see the long term costs and aftermath all the time. During my recent searching I found this page and the video attached on it explains "Salt" systems and the "why not" to a T. See below.
If anyone finds more plain language on the "Why" sodium bromide has been banned please share. Also have not found any information on if spa owners will be able to order from the US and bring it into Canada.
https://hottubuniversity.com/salt-systems-on-hot-tubs/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=393&v=q8KRKGZrMfE&feature=emb_logo
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I too have been searching for more plane language on the ban of sodium bromide without much luck (or being able to understand the technical science mumbo jumbo stuff when I do find information..lol). As a Canadian Tech it is something my spa owner/customers are likely going to have to deal with in the near future. I am already noticing "Discontinued" on a lot of the Canadian spa product web sites that offer Sodium Bromide. I also found a tech offering a decommission package so there may be an upside for my service business. I have never liked or promoted "Salt" systems and as a tech I see the long term costs and aftermath all the time. During my recent searching I found this page and the video attached on it explains "Salt" systems and the "why not" to a T. See below.
If anyone finds more plain language on the "Why" sodium bromide has been banned please share. Also have not found any information on if spa owners will be able to order from the US and bring it into Canada.
https://hottubuniversity.com/salt-systems-on-hot-tubs/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=393&v=q8KRKGZrMfE&feature=emb_logo
lol so much bad information here it's quite comical....then again a lot of what Mr Hot Tub Univ. says is good for a few laughs so not surprising
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As I live on the bank of Lake Erie it is just a 30 mile short boat ride to Canada. During prohibition the Canadian bootleggers brought across booze and had a lucrative business. Maybe I need to buy a boat and bootleg Spa supplies to return the favor.
Then again Canada will then have to build a 30 foot high wall along the whole boarder.
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As I live on the bank of Lake Erie it is just a 30 mile short boat ride to Canada. During prohibition the Canadian bootleggers brought across booze and had a lucrative business. Maybe I need to buy a boat and bootleg Spa supplies to return the favor.
Then again Canada will then have to build a 30 foot high wall along the whole boarder.
bud's gonna be making runs across the border with a boat full of 50lb bags of sodium bromide ;D ;D ;D
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As I live on the bank of Lake Erie it is just a 30 mile short boat ride to Canada. During prohibition the Canadian bootleggers brought across booze and had a lucrative business. Maybe I need to buy a boat and bootleg Spa supplies to return the favor.
Then again Canada will then have to build a 30 foot high wall along the whole boarder.
bud's gonna be making runs across the border with a boat full of 50lb bags of sodium bromide ;D ;D ;D
I’m just going to bring bags of Morton Salt. They can make their own deadly chlorine if they want to.
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lol so much bad information here it's quite comical....then again a lot of what Mr Hot Tub Univ. says is good for a few laughs so not surprising
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What is it you find comical? please enlighten me
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lol so much bad information here it's quite comical....then again a lot of what Mr Hot Tub Univ. says is good for a few laughs so not surprising
What is it you find comical? please enlighten me
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What I find comical about his site is the guy acts like he’s the god of hot tubs. He’s a salesman, nothing more nothing less. Works for him so good for him
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lol so much bad information here it's quite comical....then again a lot of what Mr Hot Tub Univ. says is good for a few laughs so not surprising
What is it you find comical? please enlighten me
What I find comical about his site is the guy acts like he’s the god of hot tubs. He’s a salesman, nothing more nothing less. Works for him so good for him
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Everything he says is geared to sell more of what he sells. Master doesn't offer salt do they?
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lol so much bad information here it's quite comical....then again a lot of what Mr Hot Tub Univ. says is good for a few laughs so not surprising
What is it you find comical? please enlighten me
What I find comical about his site is the guy acts like he’s the god of hot tubs. He’s a salesman, nothing more nothing less. Works for him so good for him
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Yeah that's what he does. He thinks he's the GOD of hot tubs. Just Alec Baldwin in Malice (1993). Take your head out of your ass.
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I too have been searching for more plane language on the ban of sodium bromide without much luck (or being able to understand the technical science mumbo jumbo stuff when I do find information..lol). As a Canadian Tech it is something my spa owner/customers are likely going to have to deal with in the near future.
If anyone finds more plain language on the "Why" sodium bromide has been banned please share.
Back to the intent of my original post. MrU God not a God questions aside.
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lol so much bad information here it's quite comical....then again a lot of what Mr Hot Tub Univ. says is good for a few laughs so not surprising
What is it you find comical? please enlighten me
What I find comical about his site is the guy acts like he’s the god of hot tubs. He’s a salesman, nothing more nothing less. Works for him so good for him
Everything he says is geared to sell more of what he sells. Master doesn't offer salt do they?
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It's all shilling and fear mongering against competition for a middle of the road manufacture like Master, if they're writing him a check every month good for him but his information at times is completely laughable and completely skewed to follow his own agenda.
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To the OP
There is 10 times more experience on this board than there is at hot tub university.
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Yeah F that HTU guy what was I thinking... I'm new here and this was my very first post. Can someone please pm me the Offical Sht list so I can become part of the group.
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Yeah F that HTU guy what was I thinking... I'm new here and this was my very first post. Can someone please pm me the Offical Sht list so I can become part of the group.
You seem like a smart guy, you will figure it out.
Master Spa has been deceiving people for years and they still are. That site is nothing more than a Master Spa sales tool.
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"You seem like a smart guy, you will figure it out."
Same thing the wife said to me recently when I asked if it was ok to buy a Procharger for my Harley and put it on our credit card.
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"You seem like a smart guy, you will figure it out."
Same thing the wife said to me recently when I asked if it was ok to buy a Procharger for my Harley and put it on our credit card.
LOL you put a turbocharger on your scooter?
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Master Spa has been deceiving people for years and they still are.
Can you cite some recent examples?
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Go to a spa expo swilly. It’s all deception. Your case is different. You bought from a dealer and from everything you have said it seems like you bought from a very good dealer. Most of the country it’s not like that
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Master Spa has been deceiving people for years and they still are.
Can you cite some recent examples?
I'm just making it up swilly, along with the other professionals on this site. Please stick around for years. We promise not to diss you. Can't make the same promise about MS.
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Master Spa has been deceiving people for years and they still are.
Can you cite some recent examples?
I'm just making it up swilly, along with the other professionals on this site. Please stick around for years. We promise not to diss you. Can't make the same promise about MS.
I'll pencil you in for a "no" then. :)
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I'll pencil you in for a "no" then. :)
It would not make a difference if I went out and found bad reviews for MS (theres tons out there) You have had to much koolaid already.
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In an attempt to get this conversation back to the topic - I reached out to my chemical supplier (Haviland) and he hadn't heard about this yet. He noted that bromine and bromides are exclusive imports so he was wondering aloud if that had something to do with it. I am continuing to do research and reach out. Has anyone else contacted their chem. reps and gotten any feedback?
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Reached out to Gecko and this was their reply:
Good afternoon,
As per new this regulation in Canada, the in.clear and Bromicharge products will unfortunately no longer be sold in Canada after November 2020.
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" all "Salt" systems be deactivated and removed. "
I have bought an Arctic Spa with SpaBoy - Salt System - it is still Ok to have it and it is chlorine-based one.
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Spa boy is the wireless control system.
What is the electrolysis or "salt" system in your spa...Onzen? and what product are you adding to the water?
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" all "Salt" systems be deactivated and removed. "
I have bought an Arctic Spa with SpaBoy - Salt System - it is still Ok to have it and it is chlorine-based one.
If you are in Canada that one I believe was on the list of the ones being banned. It’s stupid
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"It’s stupid".... I Agree. I say as I light up a smoke in my asbestos covered basement...lol
I have reached out to Arctic Spa and waiting for a reply.
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My Arctic Spa System (Onzen) is using chlorine.
It is not banned in Canada but works the same way as bromine-based systems.
Also, I believe that "pioneer pools" has a similar one for hot tubs.
Another thought: You probably can use bromine salt with this system too - but unofficially :)
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My Arctic Spa System (Onzen) is using chlorine.
It is not banned in Canada but works the same way as bromine-based systems.
Also, I believe that "pioneer pools" has a similar one for hot tubs.
Another thought: You probably can use bromine salt with this system too - but unofficially :)
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/consumer-product-safety/reports-publications/pesticides-pest-management/decisions-updates/reevaluation-decision/2018/sodium-bromide.html#a2
It’s on the bottom of list of banned devices.
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Nop ...
the list has "Arctic Pure Peak Boost Brominating Granules"
Arctic Spa sill sells salt system because it is Chlorine based. :)
Also, Pioneer Pools has one : https://www.pioneerfamilypools.ca/advice/benefits-salt-system/
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Keep reading
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See it now :)
But I 've bought the device AFTER this list was issued. No problems.
Also, I've found this info in the same doc: "All chlorine swimming pool or spa electrolysis devices are to indicate that they are not to be used with bromide products."
I assume that they still can be used but not for bromine ...
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I just think you won’t be able to buy the stuff. Stupid if you ask me