Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: aaahhh on August 26, 2004, 09:15:33 am
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I was just wondering. I wash out the filters in my huge slop sink in my laudry room every weekend with just plain water. Plus I use this sink to soak my filters in with the filter cleaning solution. Or sometimes I just put them in the dishwasher with out anything but plain water.
Obviously all of these chemicals are going down the drain. Are these chemicals having a negative effect on my septic system or are the volumes so small that it has no effect what so ever.
Just curious.
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The short answer is no.
Im not speaking as an expert on septic systems, but you have to keep in mind we put shampoos, soaps, shaving cream/gels, toothpaste, bleach from toilet bowl cleansers/santizers, dish washing detergent, laundry detergent, lime remover, grease cutting agents, drain clog remover, et al;
Your filter cleaning isnt going to contribute significantly to this...
But I would recommend not using your dishwasher to clean your filters though...
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I would like to politely dissagree with those who have said not to run the filters through the dishwasher. Not all filters are built for this treatment, though some are.
I can't imagine that a machine which can wash/rinse away heavy grease and spoiled food which is stuck onto pots, pans and dishes would have any trouble taking care of a set of spa filters.
The machine washes with hot water, and then runs a thorough rinse cycle. You could always run it empty after the filters if you are really concerned. I guess that I'm saying: I just don't see a lot of grease or old food staying on my dishes, so I can't imagine hair or other things doing the same.
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Particulate matter should be pumped out of the dishwasher along with the dirty water.
If it's not, you have a defective dishwasher.
Brewman
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The point I was tryng to make is do the spa chemicals kill the live bacteria that makes my septic system work properly?
Are the chemicals strong enough when I rinse out the filter's or the filter cleaning solution strong enough to kill the septic system.
When you have a septic system even those little clorox toilet tables that are placed in the toilet tank. Will kill all of the bacteria in the septic tank.
But thanks for your reply's
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There were several other responses which have been 'moderated' out, so this thread seems a bit disjointed now.
I don't know the answer to the original question, but I would assume that chlorine going into a septic system is going to kill things: good and bad. At the very least, it will change the balance a bit. The chlorine will not stick around long, so I wonder if the normal balance would return soon?
I would check with a septic operator or two - I live on a city sewer system, and they have a fit when a pool owner or service guy pumps chlorinated water into the sanitary drains around here.
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The chemicals can't be good for the septic "good bugs". Since chlorine kills in the tub it will kill in the septic and will most likely linger around longer in a cool, dark enclosed environment.
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;DIf you wash your filters in the wash tub and send the water to the septic tank it may be a good idea to put a box of RidX or other bacteria growing product made for septic tanks down your toilet after you have finished cleaning them. 8)
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Is there such a thing as a 'septic system forum' anywhere? I'm very intersetd in this question since we are building a home on a septic tank and you can be sure we plan to put a spa in it! ( Uh, in the HOUSE, not in the septic tank...)
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I have no experience with life on a septic system...other than holding tanks which just get pumped out when full.
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don't know about a septic forum - but my home is on a septic (uh the home uses a septic it's not really on it) and am very careful about what goes down the drain. You basically have 2 choices in managing your system - keep it as free from chemicals and non-organic particulars as possible to keep it a living "healthy" system OR have it pumped out frequently.
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don't know about a septic forum - but my home is on a septic (uh the home uses a septic it's not really on it) and am very careful about what goes down the drain. You basically have 2 choices in managing your system - keep it as free from chemicals and non-organic particulars as possible to keep it a living "healthy" system OR have it pumped out frequently.
Thanks for the tip!
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My home is also on septic. My system is also a pump system to a common field about 2000 ft up the street. I get the tank cleaned annually. The $200 cost is cheap insurance, IMO.
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Gotta agree w/Oskar on putting the bacteria stuff down the commode. It's been years but we lived in a house w/septic. I talked to a septic guy when we moved in & he told be to flush a packet down every couple months. He told me that just soap/shampoo/etc. from everyday living would kill the bacteria. Don't know if that's true but we did that every 3 months - lived there 5 years without issue and never had to pump out.
It might have been rid-x. . .been too long to remember. came in paper packets about the size of instant oatmeal - 20 or so packets in "a case."
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Beware of septic additives - most are scam that can do anything from nothing to serious damage to your system.
Kind of like the ozone of the septic industy... there is no proof that any additive is beneficial to your septic. A "clean" well managed system doesn't need any additives as we people give it all the goodies it needs to stay healthy with each flush.
Also, like a spa you need to "drain" it periodically - how frequently will be determined by how well you manage it.
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Is there such a thing as a 'septic system forum' anywhere? I'm very intersetd in this question since we are building a home on a septic tank and you can be sure we plan to put a spa in it! ( Uh, in the HOUSE, not in the septic tank...)
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/sewer2.gif)
I have no experience with life on a septic system...other than holding tanks which just get pumped out when full.
I can answer this one, the bioligical activity and volume of water in the septic system should be able to handle the occasional cleaning of the filter.
draining the spa into the septic would not be a good idea, too much volume at one time. Sending massive amounts of bleach into the septic system would not be a good idea either. Oxidizing chemicals (chlorine bromine and shock) are not desirable, as they will kill the bugs.
The microorganisms that reside in the tank are a pretty tough lot, and they will consume most of the organic matter (tp, detergent and soaps) that comes their way.
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Is there such a thing as a 'septic system forum' anywhere? I'm very intersetd in this question since we are building a home on a septic tank and you can be sure we plan to put a spa in it! ( Uh, in the HOUSE, not in the septic tank...)
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/sewer2.gif)
I have no experience with life on a septic system...other than holding tanks which just get pumped out when full.
Chas. You can obtain a lot of information on the building and management of a septic system from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation. There is also a lot of information from the Canada Research Council in residential. Here are a couple of links.
http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/index.cfm
http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/irccontents.html
If you search septic systems in both you will get a ton of information.
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Thank you for the information. I use soft soak with Peroxide. I know the Peroxide is also a grem killer. But does it break down faster than clorine. I use Ridex every month or two. Our county demands we pump every 3 years need it or not. Our system is 10 years old and never once had a problem. I want to keep it that way.
The only chemicals that make it down the drain are only from the filters. As when I just rinse them off with high pressure or let them soak in the sink with filter cleaner. Then again rinse them with clean high pressure water.
Thank you all.
aaahhh
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Thanks also!
I have decided that I will bring the filters home to soak, so I won't have to put the used cleaning solution into the septic tank system. I'll just grab an extra set of filters when we are ready. That seems to be the highest dose of 'stuff' that would come from the tub.
I'll also be sure to drain out onto the gound, not into the system when changing the water. In fact I'm thinking of putting in a sort of drip irrigation system that would distribute the water to the base of the many pine trees on the property. I may have to put in a holding tank so I can dump the spa into the tank and get it filled up quickly while the water slowly trickles out to the trees: I don't want to spend the whole weekend without hot water, and once our friends find out we have this place, I'm suspecting it may get a lot of use...
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Is there such a thing as a 'septic system forum' anywhere? I'm very intersetd in this question since we are building a home on a septic tank and you can be sure we plan to put a spa in it! ( Uh, in the HOUSE, not in the septic tank...)
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/sewer2.gif)
I have no experience with life on a septic system...other than holding tanks which just get pumped out when full.
Interestingly enough, there are a couple septic system message forums. I recommend:
Dr. Leachfield's forum
Stoolandblah.com
Whatsthebest-wastetreatment.com
Avoid the forum run by that kook in Colorado who buys generic thermopane septic tanks and rebrands them as high end units.
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That post makes my morning! Closest I've been to having coffee shoot thru my nose in a long time.
One thing I have to disagree on, though. I think that I'd probably buy a septic tank from our Colorado friend.
Think about it- he slings more crap than anyone I can think of, so he would probably be well suited to build a suitable containment system for it. Probably wouldn't be too much of a stretch for him..............
Brewman
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I would never clean my filters in the dishwasher. I believe the water is too hot and could break down the fibers in the filters. I use Eco One and merely have to cold rinse my filters every 6 weeks with the garden hose. Every 6 months I soak them for a coupla hours in a mild bleach solution to make them totally white again.
I am now going on 3 years with the original filters. Could it be the Eco One?
P.S. I also do a drain/water change only every 6 months, and a 2 pound container of dichlor lasts a year.
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Maverick
I switched from Baqua Spa to the Eco One system and i've noticed how easy it is to clean my filters now. With Baqua i had to use the special filter cleaner they sell just to get all the gunk off. With Eco One i just rinse them with the hose and they spray clean.
I did a lot of reading on the Eco One system from online sources and the message boards and i have seen posts where users have mentioned that their filters last much longer and it makes sense. The Eco One "coats" your filter with a coconut solution, which might actually protect the filters from normal wear and tear. It's obvious that the coating works because of the way they spray clean.
I have also read that Eco One prolongs the life of the bonding agents used on the hand rails and jets, although i have never had any problems in this area.
Another note on Eco One is that my twirly jets dont stick anymore. I had a lot of problems with this while on the Baqua system.
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Interestingly enough, there are a couple septic system message forums. I recommend:
Dr. Leachfield's forum
Stoolandblah.com
Whatsthebest-wastetreatment.com
Avoid the forum run by that kook in Colorado who buys generic thermopane septic tanks and rebrands them as high end units.
you forgot poosearch.com
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Interestingly enough, there are a couple septic system message forums. I recommend:
Dr. Leachfield's forum
Stoolandblah.com
Whatsthebest-wastetreatment.com
you forgot poosearch.com
Funny! Very Funny! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D
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Funny! Very Funny! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D
I found my septic info at www.fecalfacts.com......
but seriously, the amount of other stuff that gets in the septic tank from dishwashing soap to washmachine ( front loader, the only way to go with septic..) would be more than what rinses off your filters.
With everything else to worry about with a hot tub, put this one at the "bottom of the pile".
Jan
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Thanks one and all.
I guess I can wash my hands of this now.
(Job's not finished till the paperwork is done?)