Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: bulmer4nc on June 21, 2004, 11:29:48 pm
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Any Sundance Optima or Artesian Piper Glen owners out there?
We're in the hunt for a spa and may have narrowed the search to either a Sundance Optima or an Artesian Piper Glen. Anyone out there own either and can give some pros and cons?
So far, our big 'pro' for the Piper Glen is the 5 pumps (1 per corner seat and one for foot/whirlpool) and they are all variable speed. There are 4 VERY good corner seats and we love how you can really control each seat and to get the fullest flow you don't need to take away from another seat with a diverter.
Big 'pro' for us with the Optima is the Air Jets. There's something about that cold air that we both like. They also seem to be more popular with many good things written about them. It's much harder to find info on the Artesian.
Bottom line is that we like them both and didn't know if there was any other things we should consider if we were trying to pick between the two.
Ken
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I am not sure if this will help you...I have heard owners say nothing but good things about the piper glen...however they are all newer owners....unsure if they hold up long term..as..I have also heard it said that those 4 or 5 pumps they use are almost like large fish tanks motors...again....I have only heard it said and do not know if it is accurate...but if they had any kind of amerage draw they would have to be very small.....if you like the piper glen...I would see for sure what type of motors they are using.....
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Artesian Piper Glen owner here!!!! Love it!!!! Can't speak on the longevity of this spa, however, as we just got it installed last Fri. So far so good (can't stay out of it -- and as a matter of fact, just got in from a good soak). A true hydrotherapy spa. Love the fact that we do not have to deal with many diverter valves (I say many, as there are two). Also, this is probably the most quiet spa we wet-tested (IMHO). One last thing -- the Piper Glen has below-water neck jets (which aids in keeping this lovely little spa quiet).
Like you, we were torn between the Sundance Cameo and this spa. The deciding factor was actually the air jets on the Cameo lounger. Got a stinging/burning sensation when legs rested on them. I have read other posts where people state they love the air jets, and some people choose to not use them at all.
I think you can't go wrong with either spa -- so make a decision already and get soaking! :)
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Optima owner here. Have the tub just past a year, and so far are happy. Never heard of your other model, so I cant be of help there. I'd be happy to answer any specific Optima questions you may have.
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Optima owner here too. Also never heard of the other brand. Love the Optima and can't seem to get enough of it. I strongly recommend that you wet test both a number of times and decide which is more comfortable for you.
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For those of you not familiar with the Artesian here's a link to the Piper Glen on their website:
http://www.artesianspas.com/showroom/platinum/piper.asp
(http://artesianspas.com/images/plat_Piper_new_large.jpg)
Ken
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What a beautiful tub. Looks very similar to the Optima. You are going to have a tough time choosing.
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WOW! Great looking spa. How many jets in that thing?
Have you compared the two warranties? The more parts, jets, pumps, bells ext. on a spa the better the warranty should be.
With all things being equal, go with the spa that has the features that mean the most to you. Test soak(wet test) both again if need be.
Good Luck and let us know
Spahappy !
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I've seen the Piper Glen in person and it looks every bit as nice as the picture. Artesian takes a very different approach to therapy than any other manufacturer and that will be part of the decision process. Dealer reputation will be important too.
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Nice looking spa (other than the color). Not certain if I would enjoy that seat by the controls but others my like it. I have also heard many good things about Artisian...
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ohhh... that's a GOOD seat...!! :P
I don't think I like the silver either - we were thinking the black onyx with the grey surround. Our house is grey, so that could look nice...
Jodi
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Seriously though...
I think we like the Artesian tub better. It just felt right when we wet tested. There is something to be said though for going with a better known manufacturer too. Should the lack of knowledge by many on this board mean anything and affect our decision?
The Artesian dealer seems pretty good and claim they've been in the area for 11 years and they do the servicing themselves. The Sundance service is one guy doing 3 cities that span a couple hundred miles.
I just want to make sure that after spending a big chunk of change that we're both happy with the tub and that the manufactuer / dealer will be around and stand by their product.
Thoughts?
Ken
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Sounds like you have your mind made up.
Looks like a win-win either way, so get the one which felt best.
Brewman
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If any owners / prospective owners don't mind sharing, what kind of price points are these two tubs?
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Right we're working off quotes of 8200 for the Optima and 8700 on the Piper Glen. Both include cover, lifter, ozone, delivery, and chemicals. We had a better price on the Optima over the weekend but passed it up... The Artesian dealer said he'd also throw in 1 year worth of chemicals and extra filters.
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Wow. Read up on these, just wet tested the Piper Glen and it is awesome.
Told the guy I was ready to buy RIGHT NOW. He told me great, I can give you the "show" price of $9895. Yeah right Mac.
I told him that's way above what I'm hearing here, he would not budge. Not a single dollar. Let me walk out!
Of course, I'm East Coast (MA). Are you out West Ken? Seems to me even with shipping from the manufacturer in CA this price is high. Opinions please.
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From what I have seen posted that seems high but closer to others I have seen ...the price that is posted here for the Piper Glen by bulmer4nc is the lowest I have seen... are you going by his price or the average of others as well...I had gotten a price of 9200.00 out of a San Diego dealer....in February of this year.
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We are in Cary, NC. So - not that terribly far from you... is your price with tax in? Our 8700 does not include tax... so that will take it to ~$9300. As mentioned above - that is the cover, lifter, filters and extra chemicals included. It does have ozone.
The dealer we are working with has a floor model Piper Glen (the exact one in the picture, that colour...) that has a tiny scratch on the top of the shell, from it being moved to this location. The owner is willing to let it go for $8000 even - all the same options. We are just not into that pearl-y colour, so weren't interested.
You could do a road trip with a trailer from MA!! 8)
Jodi
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I only saw 2 prices online, bulmer4nc and Northman on rhtubs forum. Both were high $8000's.
If the guy would have moved to 9 even I'd have bought. Tomorrow I call the next nearest dealer
$9895 did not include tax, that'd be another $500. Included delivery, chemicals, 5" cover & lifter, and steps.
If it weren't for the very important need for setup and ongoing service, I'd roadtrip in a heartbeat!
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We paid $8,279 for our Piper Glen (purchased a few weeks ago and installed last Friday) out here in San Diego (for what it's worth). We also purchased other things (like spa enclosure (12'x16') and an umbrella), so that may be the reason for the deal.
I can't believe the dealer let you walk. Amazing! Try another dealer in your area -- it is a great tub!
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Big_Ed you are in mass? I'm in mass as well and have starting looking into the Artesian line since you posted this thread..
Have you been talking to the dealer the Richard Brothers in Cranston, RI 02921?? Did they quote you that price you mentioned??
That is the only dealer I could find from the Artesian web site. If there are others let me know.
Thanks,Fedman
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Fedman,
It was not Richard Brothers that gave me the price. I plan to call them today.
Other "local" dealers: Croker Sales with locations in Woburn, MA and Merrimack NH. Pools and Spas Unlimited in Adams, MA.
If you get a price quote, I'd appreciate a heads up. Also sent you a PM.
Mike
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If you both like Artesian... maybe you can work together...
Jodi
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Guess who just called me. Yup, salesman #1. Seems they found another $1200 in margin on the product after speaking with the dealer.
I have a deal at $8700 delivered plus tax.
:P
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Sweet!!!
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Sometimes it seems the longer you shop the better the deals get. My perception is that after you have visited multiple times and the dealer knows you are serious, they get serious.
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bulmer4nc- i have an optima and love it... i live in durham so im pretty sure we went to the same dealership... ive seen the tech from raleigh (my electrician messed up a few things) and he just works the raleigh area, you might want to ask the dealer where their service men come out of because when we were shopping, a couple of places were really talking trash about all the other dealers in the area. we asked all the questions and talked with other customers. the artesian spas are a 5 year old sundance for the same price! no titanium heater, no micro filter, no air blower, no extra control panel... just a few of the reasons we decided on the sundance. and i know that they moved from capital blvd in raleigh last yr. they had been there for about 13 yrs. we looked at them when we first moved down here and they had just opened then. all the salespeople there are really nice as well! good luck
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Done!!! Did the deal today and went with the Optima. There are things we like about both tubs and things we dislike. Basically we were more convinced that the Sundance tub was better quality and ended up with a pretty good deal. All we have to do now is figure out how to get our backyard ready...
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Congrats fellow (soon to be) Optima owner :D
Now for the wait. Not long but boy does it seem like it when you have so much anticipation.