Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Mudheadsports on December 27, 2013, 04:37:43 pm
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Hi all,
We are still shopping for our first spa. We started with maax, Great Lakes, hydropool, lazyboy....eliminated that one for sure.....sundance and jacuzzi. We've wet tested the maax and thought it was a nice spa. We just saw the sundance and jacuzzi and have scheduled a wet test on them too. We are specifically looking sting the cameo by sundance and J-465 by jacuzzi....maax 471. Any input on these models.....any others we should be looking at? We are in southern michigan.....any help and comments would be appreciated!!!!!
Thanx again
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IMO Maxx isn't in the same league as Sundance or Jacuzzi but you be the judge. Look inside.
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Tman , What would be the difference in quality from an elite 471 and and jacuzzi 465? what makes maax not be in the same league ?
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One of the differences is in insulation method. I really don't like the way maax does it
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The inside of a Maxx is laid out sloppily. The insulation is done haphazardly. The way the pumps and equipment are fastened pallet style inside the tub shows mediocre quality in my opinion.
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So if i get it right you are saying that because you dont like the layout of the inside equipments maax is not in the same league of jacuzzi?
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VSC, I am not a big fan of Jacuzzi either for other reasons. Like I don't like their proprietary equipment that I consider overpriced. I also think their tubs are overpriced but a name in this day and age garners higher pricing. I do however think that their long standing reputation of building a quality product and backing that product puts them in a different league. This of course is all just my opinion. Same with Sundance.
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ok thats fine but what about that custumer who liked the wet test of the maax , I might be wrong but this guy wish to know the quality difference because at the end if he is ending up paying 1500 $ for a jacuzzi just because its branded jacuzzi he might want to save that money so maybe you could compare both tub to see the difference in quality of component they are using , features that are included , warranties , wich Uv is better , so at the end he can make a clear descision . You guys are proffessionals so I think he is hoping to get this kind of info here .
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In Northern Minnesota there are 4 dealers. There used to be 5 and the one that didn't survive was Maxx. They made a good go of it but had to compete with the likes of Marquis, Hot Springs, Sundance and D1. With that kind of competition if your not on top of your game the consumers will let you know. They cost more to operate and had more problems than any of the other brands and lost business because of it. That my friend is real life up here in red neck ville.
All of the component manufacturers make, including but not limited to Waterway, Sta-rite, Emerson, Aquaflo Gecko, Balboa, products ranging in price and quality from up here to down there. And to say that all Gecko is the same is a misleading statement. Do you have a Waterway catalog? They have jets that cost 8 bucks and jets that cost 30 bucks and they look pretty much the same. Any manufacturer of hot tubs can go to a component manufacturer and purchase bulk product made to their specs. Some spa manufacturers may require high quality specs and some not so much.
So to the OP I think Great Lakes make a good quality value type tub maybe a little higher than value. I think they have some good ideas and design. I would never consider a Lazyboy. Don't know a lot about Hydropool but have heard some OK things. Maxx would be off MY list. And I have Sundance and Jacuzzi in my top ten. But this means nothing to anyone but me. Maybe it will help the OP maybe not.
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So if i get it right , you are speculating that maax is not good because they cost more to run and had more issue but you got nothing to back it up right . Im not saying your right or wrong im just saying that you consider yourself a specialist so basicly this custumer who dont know much about spa might be influenced by what you are saying and all you got to back it up is that they dont sell maax anymore in your area so they are not in the same league ... with all respect ,you should be more careful about what you say because some custumers are influence by what you say.
From where Im from they are selling maax , jacuzzi and sundance under the same roof , and you are right that waterway sell shit component at low price and also sell good and reliable components at a higher price wich allow manufacturer to use their brand name to sell cheaper made spa to the custumer who doesnt know all those informations and I personnally think that it should be illegal but thats another subject .
From what I see , Jacuzzi if offering a 2 years jet warranty while maax is offering 3 , if you check around the internet you will see that not only jacuzzi jets are exclusive but they are also known to break .
Its prooven that a perimeter insulation that actually heat air is a thousand time more effective than a system that heat the water BUT last time I went to see a maax , their insulation did not impress me much BUT yet again if we are talking about 75 $ / year difference , I would pick up the perimeter because it shut the noise and give an easy access to the equipments .
It would be interesting to know what the price for the maax one and the jacuzzi one
Jacuzzi does have a circ pump wich is very good and the maax does not
They both promote the UV sanitation system but let's be honest , the Jacuzzi Uv sanitation system is a joke , they were using this system in 2008 , I think its 5 or 8gpm so it almost impossible to have all your water sanitized.
I dont know about the Maax one , maybe its better maybe its not who knows.( maybe you can help us on this one )
Hot spring does sell around 50 tubs max over here so does that mean they are not good ??
Im sure this custumer will like to keep that spa for at least 10 years so lets talk about parts replacement cost :
Cover per exemple : a jacuzzi cover is custum made meaning that you will pay 499-699 $
Maax cover will cost : 199-399 $
Jets , headrest ,pumps , spa controller
Its like a car , people are considering that it will cost less money for replacement part on a chevy than on a bmw.
Could you help us going through those questions so this custumer can have the informations he was looking for from those hot tub professionals ?
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I hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but as I am also looking for a first tub, I was curious Tman122, if you would post what your top 5 tubs would be?
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Maax costs considerably more to run and around my parts they are not known to be very reliable either. I would take a full foam tub any day over what maax does. I don't think they are a bad tub just not one of the better ones. If you are looking for a tub with perimeter insulation I would suggest sticking with arctic. In my part of Massachusetts the maax dealer is by far the guy selling the least amount of tubs
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how much does it cost per months and what parts are not reliable ?
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Thanx guys for all the advise.......we are wet testing next Thursday the jacuzzi and sundance. We sat in them empty and the jacuzzi actually was not as comfortable as the sundance.....the lounger especially was shorter...we are both 6 ft!!!! The price difference.....right now is nominal....the sundance/jacuzzi dealer wants to move product and his price is actually $200.00 less than the Maas. That's without negotiating....
Will check back tomorrow and again thanx for all the input!!!!!
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Jacuzzi wise he wants to move his product because things are changing in the Jacuzzi line. PM me for details if you wish. Don't let all the crap Vortex is spouting scare you! Wet test, if you like it you do if you don't move on...
As far as v,tex goes
Jacuzzi was not running UV in 2008,2009 or 2010 border line 2011 early 2012. Your lack of knowledge about other spas does not surprise me! Cover replacement wise your numbers are no where close, except on the 400 series they are spendy from the factory. Jets LOL you know how many of the "current" say in the last 4/5 years I replace, maybe 10 a year if that. Some of the original ones with the little plastic tabs that broke quite a few, but Jacuzzi came out with a fix, butjet wise that was over 5 to 10 years ago. Get your facts straight, again you really don't know anything about anything!
I would say Tman is again spot on with what he says, but if you are going to put Sundance in another level above Jacuzzi it doesn't make sense as they use virtually the same equipment less Jets and filtration and a couple of other goodies for the most part as Jacuzzi..
Vortex, you going to ruin this thread as well with your BS and rederick? I value an opinion but all you want to do is start an argument and you really don't have a clue on what your spouting!
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IM saying that the Uv system they are using is the 2008 model , I know you guys did not use Uv before ... and yes your jets broke alot in the past , hopefully they are better now. why you are offering only 2 years of warranty on them while other offer 3 or 5 .
What I meant for your cover is because of the shape of the 400 series you cant get a standard 5-4 cover 1.5 density cover at 259 $ , since its custum made or direct from jacuzzi it cost more , I do sell personnaly 1000 covers a year and we sell any custum cover for 479 $ while other in our area sell custum cover for 549 $.
If not how much would you sell a j-400 cover to a custumer 5-4 ? jacuzzi dealer over here charge 499 $
how many gpm this uv system do ?
dont get mad i said you guys had a circ pump wich is great :)
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I hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but as I am also looking for a first tub, I was curious Tman122, if you would post what your top 5 tubs would be?
My top 5 means nothing to you. But being an INDEPENDENT part time repair guy for not just hot tubs but anything plumbing for about 25-30 years now I have had the chance to be around and repair many tubs from many manufacturers. So far in my experience you have to have Hot Springs in any ones top 5 including mine. They have a great reputation for longevity, reliability, energy efficiency and are backed by the largest hot tub manufacturer in the world. Sundance.......ditto. Marquis has also proven in my area to be bullet proof and are backed by a stellar company. Their plumbing and jets are so well engineered I don't think you can find a better hydrotherapy machine anywhere. Dimension One also has a great reputation and their energy efficiency is as good as Hot Springs. And their Nautilus model is MY personal favorite tub. Laid out well and felt more comfortable to me than any tub I have had my butt in. These 4 brands I have had the pleasure of disposing of 18-20 year old models pretty regularly and even one HS that was 26 years old and still functioning. As for number 5, I am still up in the air between about 5 others to include Arctic that I think does the perimeter insulation right but still not perfect. I do find their seating rather confining but that's a personal thing. And to me they seemed a bit noisy even though some claim the perimeter insulation's method makes them quieter in my experience this isn't true.
I like Artesian, Beachcomber. Jacuzzi and they will make my top ten along with Clearwater, Vita and Saratoga. Ooops that's 11. From there I would have to include Bullfrog for their effort to do something different. I have not wet tested one so can't comment on the feel or longevity/energy efficiency.....yet. And then there's Caldera which is made by the same folks who make HS and has to be jammed in my top ten for their reputation. And Dynasty and Emerald which may not be top tier but good choices for middle of the road and can be had for less money. Almost all the top manufacturers have tubs that fit in here with different names. And in the value less expensive category I like Great Lakes, Viking, Nordic and a couple others but this category has so many I forget a lot of their names until I see one to work on it. These seem to be the ones I see more often as they are out of warranty and I don't work for any dealers except when they run short they have my number and I don't have as much time anymore for hot tub repair.
Hope this helps and answers your question.
I understand that I need to do my own shopping and decide what is comfortable for me. I will most definitely be doing some wet testing in the next few months. What I was looking for was your opinion on reliability, etc., based on your experience. Your answer provided me exactly what I was looking for and I thank you for it. Much appreciated!
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I would say Tman is again spot on with what he says, but if you are going to put Sundance in another level above Jacuzzi it doesn't make sense as they use virtually the same equipment less Jets and filtration and a couple of other goodies for the most part as Jacuzzi..
Sorry Jim I have a bad taste in my mouth for Jacuzzi. They make a great product and do have a good reputation. I wish there was a dealer in my area. I may see them more. They don't make my top 5 but are a fine top tier tub IMO. I used to work on a couple built in hot tubs at a health club that used Jacuzzi pumps and gas heaters and they were fabulous pumps. It took a long time to convince the owner that the Pentair Intelliflo would be a better choice. Those Jacuzzi pumps had a lot of power and moved a lot of water.
Make sure to use VSC when talking about that middle man from Canada for Chinese made tubs. I think his reasoning for flooding the board is to get his tubs name out there for easy search purposes.
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Thanx all!!!! I do want opinions!!!!! We are new to shopping for one and had gotten more confused than anything the more we looked. We are still looking and have found a marquis dealer and will be checking them out too!!!!! I think that bottom line is get opinions and as many facts together as you can....talk, talk, talk......dry test....wet test and make a decision based on personal preferences. Any other I site will definitely be appreciated.
We just got back from a vacation where the house had a tub....built in with two....yes two mediocre jets so anything else would be a definite improvement!!!!!
If you have more in site, feel free to add....if there are other brands we should look at please also let me know.
Thanx again
Linda
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Linda, IMHO - wet tests are imperative. I liked several spas (dry) but when I did a wet test, I discounted most of them.
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Is it true that sundance is now using lx pumps from china?
Is it true your tubs are made in China and aren't UL listed?
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Yeah , we are the biggest retailler in Aus , make many show per year in canada and each time the inspector come by our product he forget to make sure we are listed . We are so lucky !!
Am i right to say that sundance and jacuzzi are made in mexico and sundance is using chiness pumps ? Are they ul listed?
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I believe they are both made in Mexico. The pumps I have no idea as I don't carry either of those brands. I know they are both UL listed which it seems you guys aren't.
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We use intertek
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Sundance and jacuzzi are both UL listed. It has nothing to do with the pump being UL listed or any components. The entire tub when it is put together has to go through a rigorous inspection process to become UL listed. It's expensive for a manufacturer to do. All of your construction processes need to be documented and strictly adhered to.
I would recommend to any potential buyers to avoid any hot tubs that are not UL listed. Or any electrical product for that matter.
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yeah you have to actually send a tub there , they evaluate it then give you the listing , cost us 15 k just to refresh ours.
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Vortex,
Just to clarify, your spas are UL listed?
I didn't understand that from your earlier posts.
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Rose - He's not really saying so I would take that as a NO.
http://www.poolspanews.com/international-projects/made-in-china.aspx (http://www.poolspanews.com/international-projects/made-in-china.aspx)
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Tman and Vortex, I'm going ask that you two bow out of this thread unless it is a message addressing a point by the OP about his shopping. Debates not related to the thread it is posted in can be handled by PM.
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Ok vortex and tman....enough sparing!!!!!! You both have some great input....stop with the jabs...or maybe left hooks!!! Lol
Thanx again.....
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Also adding bullfrog to the short list!!!!!
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Also adding bullfrog to the short list!!!!!
Let me know what you think, we had a dealer here, but it wasn't around here long (about the time the economy tanked)
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Mudhead,
It took me a long time, but I finally decided on an Artic Spa (the Klondiker). There are so many brands, types and sizes to choose from, it makes it quite difficult to come to a decision.
When you have a little free time, take a look at their site.
Good luck finding the spa that fits your needs!
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Vortex,
Just to clarify, your spas are UL listed?
I didn't understand that from your earlier posts.
I was being sarcastic on that post :P , we sell our product in 17 different countries so of course we are ul certified . You cant make shows if you dont have the certification because theres always an inspector asking for them at every show
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Vortex....knew that just giving you some crap!!!!! It's a hot tub forum....should be fun right?????
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Rosewood....we have been looking for about 2 months off and on now.....know this will be a long term purchase and want to be sure it's right....will look up artic in the area but it will have to be the 5 man model!!!!!!
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yeah artic and bullfrog are well build spas using good quality materials .
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Ty.....will keep checking them out and will post when we make a decision!!!!!
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Also adding bullfrog to the short list!!!!!
Most definitely! We just traded in our Marquis Epic for a Bullfrog R6L. We really like the different therapy that Bullfrog offered and we were impressed with the quality and the build. Plus they are backed by a good warranty and made in the USA which was important to us as well. We purchased a floor model and looking a January for delivery and setup. Will post pics when that time comes.
Now have to figure out a way to change my profile pic and signature!
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Ok all.....stopped by hot spring dealer and they are total turds......the woman had no information on any spa. Asked very simple questions that she couldn't answer....the only info we did get from her was that most people are only in their tubs for about ten minutes because the jets are so strong it will "beat you up"......yeah not what we are looking for.....after our experience with the jacuzzi and maax dealer, we are expecting to have questions answered and be given a lot of information. She could have just said here's our brochure and look around....oh she basically did do that.....soooooo it's bullfrog tomorrow and then wet test sundance and jacuzzi Thursday!!!!!! We will look to see if there are other hot spring dealers in the area but sw michigan doesn't cut it!!!!! Also happened to notice that the one that we did look at had some extreme acrylic stretching so that the pattern was very obviously distorted in the lounger area. Haven't seen anything like that in anything else we have noticed. You could actually see that there was a yellow substraight beneath the cap sheet.
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what a crappy dealer , you should report it to the hot spring sales rep from this forum . Let us know wich one you prefered between the bullfrog and sundance .
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Wow that's bad! :( Usually sales people are in the business to well....sell! She is not a good representation of Hot Spring! As Vortex noted, there are several Hot Spring dealers on this forum. I'm sure they would be happy to answer any of your questions related to Hot Spring. Keep us posted on finding your perfect spa.
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After reading the brochure, she even gave us wrong information.....only one pump....WRONG.....just dumb....sitting here right now, I think I know more about hotspring than she does. If we decide on a hotspring, it won't be from the Kalamazoo dealer!!!!!!!
I found another dealer in northern Indians that is around the corner from our jacuzzi dealer so we'll head there before we go to the wet test!!!!!
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I agree, you should let Hot Springs know about the abysmal service you received. HS is lucky that you have another dealer close by that you can visit, or else I'm sure they'd be totally out of your mix. They have a Facebook page and seem to respond very quickly and positively whenever anyone voices dissent (if you even care to go that route). I just purchased a HS, so I'm biased :)
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Honestly I would call the owner of the store and let him/her know which they probably already do.. Or you could just give her a break everybody has to start somewhere.. While I am sure HS corporate "might" want to know, it would be more up to the store owner to deal with it and get her on track...
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I think their sales will speak for themselves......not going to worry about it....and not going back. While driving back home from the store, we both said that it didn't apmatter if HS was the absolute best spa, we would not be purchasing from them. We did start reading the brochure and thought we should look for someone else that might sell them. Bingo......
Oh yeah....we were the ONLY customers in the building........
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A crappy dealer can make even a great spa a poor owning experience. A great dealer can make even a mediocre spa a great owning experience. I've always said, confidence in the dealer, and 2 places on your butt your wallet and the feel.
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Thanx tman......we've found another hotspring dealer close to us that we will check with, bullfrog is another one we will be looking st. We'll see where we end up!!!!! Any other advise you have is greatly appreciated!!!!! As I said before this is our first endeavor into the spa world. This has been a good source of information as there is no consumer reports to go by. Happy new year all!!!!!!!
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Ok....watching an informercial on thermo spa.....any input on these?
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Ok....watching an informercial on thermo spa.....any input on these?
Yeah, stay away. Just by googling them you should see enough to scare you
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Just did....thanx HTG
Happy Nee year all!!!!!!!!
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I told everyone here that I got a Theromspa, just to pull their legs. :)
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Thermospa sells a 5 thousand dollar spa for 8 grand.
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Thanx!!!!! Not into that kind of deal!!!!!!!
And that was happy new year!!!!!!
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Just remember you need to research the company you buy from as well as the brand. Check the BBB. Check Yelp. Ask to speak to the owner and ask lots of questions about service after the sale.
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Thanx spalifer!!!!! That's a great point!!!!! Wet testing tomorrow evening.....may be able to sneak a second test in earlier with a smaller store. Will be asking more questions about the store too!!!!! Thanx again
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Woooohoooo!!!!!! Today is wet test day....have both bullfrog and sundance/jacuzzi lined up!!!!! Going to stop in sting hotspring too.......very excited!!!!!! Hopefully we'll have a decision today or tomorrow. Still considering the maax....the only one we have wet tested so far.......
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Happy wet testing! :) Excited to see how they all went and what your final decision will be.
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Bullfrog first stop.....wth is with these small stores not knowing anything about their product????? This one had been there a year and had zero knowledge again!!!! Oh and no wet test.....tub at 85 degrees!!!!! They knew we were coming.....maybe these are signs that we are not supposed to get one.../.onto hot spring #2 dealer and then sundance!!!!!
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Bring a paper and pencil to jot down notes. Listen to how quiet each is while idling and on high. See how easy each is to operate and sit in front of some jets for a long time to see if you get itchy. Open up the side panels and look inside.
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Bullfrog first stop.....wth is with these small stores not knowing anything about their product????? This one had been there a year and had zero knowledge again!!!! Oh and no wet test.....tub at 85 degrees!!!!! They knew we were coming.....maybe these are signs that we are not supposed to get one.../.onto hot spring #2 dealer and then sundance!!!!!
So where do you live? Me thinks I need to open a spa store there.
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Good grief! >:( Hopefully the 2nd HS store and Sundance will have it together! Also since there have been recent comments with HS diverters hissing make sure to listen for that.
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J Jim....This store is in elkhart, in....unbelievable....I work in a predominantly men's industry and busy my butt to learn everything I can about each product I sell. This bimbo has been there for a year and had no idea about any of the spas in the store. She looked up things in the brochure, why wouldn't you know what the frame is made of....or how many pumps each sap has....forget about horse power or impellers.......enough about that.....
Next stop was supposed to be HS. We saw another spa place and stopped in. It was a marquis dealer....he answered every question completely. Looked at a resort 9400.00 and the wish 2012 model 7950.00....also they had the extra environment furniture by marquis....very nice extra!!!!! Did not wet test these but think we may ask to fill one up.....any thoughts?
By the time the quick stop was done the HS dealer was closed......
Then went to our wet test at jacuzzi/ sundance.....tried the sundance optima...8900.00....but would probably go with a cameo with the lounger for the same price...great tub, lots of jets and a lot of flexibility on strength of jets. Both have a stereo....probably wouldn't use it a lot but nice extra...
Next was jacuzzi 470...$9900.00 with stereo. Water was too deep so a couple seats were hard to really get into....didn't want wet hair....-1 outside.....it was nice too. They also had the j-465 with lounger again. Probably liked the sundance a little better than the jacuzzi.
Going to call marquis dealer and have him fill the resort we think.....any comments......
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thanks for sharing , whats your thought about jacuzzi / sundance vs maax wet test ? did you feel a huge difference?
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Vortex, you know, I think they were about the same....it's been a few weeks since the maax wet test and we did enjoy it but didn't seem to find a lot of info on them. Don't know that there is a perfect spa out there, but I think we will be able to find a few we could be happy with!!!!!!
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how much was the maax , im not sure you stated it in your last post ??
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10,400.00
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And no additional discounting to speak of.....
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oh , though the maax was less expensive than the sundance .. Does maax or jacuzzi would deduct some money if you remove the Uv sanitation ?
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The marquis tub is a great product. I can tell you both of those prices are excellent. Both under what I sell them for. If you have any specific questions about them don't hesitate to ask
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Yes, I recommend that you wet test Marquis. I've owned two Marquis tubs. First was a Euphoria that was a lemon (nothing but troubles). Marquis took it back and we got our current Epic. We have had minimal issues with the Epic. Marquis does back up their product and makes sure their customers are happy. For this time around, however, we did decide to go with Bullfrog. IMO the jets provide more variety of different therapy plus if my needs change I can always replace a jetpak for another. Marquis calls their jets HK jets and for me they all feel the same. It's a personal preference thus the importance of wet testing. Another thing that I wished I would have paid more attention to when we first tested is the fact you can't have all jets going in a seat, you can only have 1 set of jets on. For instance, on our Epic for what Marquis calls the adirondack chair, there's a diverter with 3 different positions. 1 back, 2 calves, 3 feet. You can't have all jets going at the same time. You can put the diverter between 1 & 2 or 2 & 3 but it weakens the flow and on ours the diverter is noisy and be annoying. Marquis calls this their "zone therapy" for my year and model "tri-zone".
Marquis does make an excellent spa, good filtering as I never had water issues. I also have found that Marquis has the most organized, neatest equipment compartments.
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Marquis does make an excellent spa, good filtering as I never had water issues. I also have found that Marquis has the most organized, neatest equipment compartments.
Meriflower, I think now you kinda get why me as an independent service tech likes Marquis.
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HTG
The wish is a floor model 2012 that has never had water in it. The resort is a second. We found the blemish and it's a slight wave in the sheet down in the footwell in the adorondack position. That being said, it was also supposed to be a European unit.....it has a different shell color that is not available in the us. The electronics have been converted to us and it does have a stereo. Do like the shapes and the extra furniture that they have.....now if you can't use all the jets in the lounger or the adorondack position that may be a deal breaker.....going to check with sundance guy and see if the lounger can run everything. The maax did when we tried that. Again feedback on any of these tube will be appreciated!!!!! We are going to try and finalize one this weekend!!! Of course it's -11 out right now....there is steam rolling out of the house when we let the dogs out this morning.....never have seen that before......
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Rosewood....we have been looking for about 2 months off and on now.....know this will be a long term purchase and want to be sure it's right....will look up artic in the area but it will have to be the 5 man model!!!!!!
Mudhead,
If you are interested, you may want to check out the 5 man, Artic Cub.
Artic has a number of YouTube videos and may have one on the Cub, or their other 5 person units.
Enjoy your search!
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also I would check for a Beachcomber and or Emerald Dealers. Two more to go along with HS,Sundance, BF,Marquis, Jacuzzi and Artic in my opinion.
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Thanx thearm......I can say that if they are small dealers in our area, we will probably eliminate them. We've had two separate dealers that were worthless and total waste of times.....we will take a look online and see who is representing them......thanx again for the input!!!!!
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Another thing that I wished I would have paid more attention to when we first tested is the fact you can't have all jets going in a seat, you can only have 1 set of jets on. For instance, on our Epic for what Marquis calls the adirondack chair, there's a diverter with 3 different positions. 1 back, 2 calves, 3 feet. You can't have all jets going at the same time. You can put the diverter between 1 & 2 or 2 & 3 but it weakens the flow and on ours the diverter is noisy and be annoying. Marquis calls this their "zone therapy" for my year and model "tri-zone".
This is an often underrated benefit of Bullfrog's JetPak design. I personally think that this is kind of a big deal and one of the things that makes Bullfrog stand out. That being said, all of the mentioned brands make a good tub and have good reputations. It all comes down to the wet test at this point, imo.
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are you saying that per exemple , in the lounger seat you could not have all the jets working at the same time ?
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I have a very good friend with a Beachcomber that he received in a raffle. It is now 11 years old and he has not had an issue yet. He made his Sunstar cover last for 9 years.
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Beachcomber is a reliable product
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are you saying that per exemple , in the lounger seat you could not have all the jets working at the same time ?
Vortex - that is correct. :(
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wow , what a cheap features lol , normally when the diverter is set to middle its equal pressure on the feets and on the back ... any other brand doing that ?
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Wow guys that was my next question to the dealer....can you run the lounger and or adorondack with all the jets on.....
We may have made a decision......sundance.....but that is with beers.....will lyk tomorrow.....
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Just put our down payment on a sundance cameo!!!!!!!!! Very excited to get it.....dealer was very knowledgable and easy to deal with!!!!! Larger company and have been in business for quite some time. So now the winter storm is closing in on us!!!!!! Will update when we get delivery scheduled...need the electrician first.....
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thanks for all the info provided
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Woot! Congrats on your new Cameo! ;D Now the hard part (besides cold & snow)….waiting!
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Mudhead,
Great choice!
It came down between a Sundance and Artic for me.
If I didn't get a good price on the Artic, it would have been a Sundance.
I hope your delivery and set up beat the storm!
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We're in michigan and the snow is starting. We have to get the electrician in next and then hopefully a break in the weather so we can get the concrete pad cleaned off. Tried today and beneath the snow is a pretty heafty layer of ice!!!!!! The temps for the next week are going to be single digits so just going to wait so we can make sure it's right. Thanx for all the advise!!!!!
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Congrats on your new hot tub!! Sundance makes a great hot tub. Please keep us posted on your experience. It's nice to hear from customers themselves rather than industry professionals.
It's a great feeling, isn't it? From purchase through first soak, you feel like a kid on Christmas eve. This really is a fun industry to work in :D
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Well, I think things are going to slow down now. We are under an emergency snow something or other. No one is allowed out on the roads unless it is an emergency.....we've had over a foot of snow so far.....crazy!!!!!! Would have been a fantastic day to have had it going. 30 degrees with lots of sons, no wind....it was really pretty out...instead we had our first winter fest of 2014.... Snowshoeing and a bonfire....could be next week or longer before we can get an electrician anywhere near here.......then snow melt......but super excited to get it here and wired up!!!!!!!, will for sure let you know how things go!!!!!!!
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You will like that tub. Powerful and quiet.
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Got the electrician scheduled!!!!m. He's due here Wednesday!!!!
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Oh yeah and it's -36 with wind chill now.......
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Omg....just got the quote from the electrician.....$1800.00 for wiring......does that seem right????? I had nooooooooo idea it would be anything like that.....lmk guys
Thanx
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Did the electrician have to do anything else besides wire the tub? Did he have to up your service in the house? In mass a typical wiring job goes between $800-$1300 depending on how far the run is
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Yeah 1800 seems high but like mentioned what needs to be done? You might get another bid and see where they come in at..
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1300 $ lmao . 4 $ per feet max for the wiring , 100 $ for the gfci , 40 $ for the main breaker , your spa must be far away from your main box :P
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1300 $ lmao . 4 $ per feet max for the wiring , 100 $ for the gfci , 40 $ for the main breaker , your spa must be far away from your main box :P
I've never even an electrician anywhere near that cheap. They might as well get a job at mcdonalds they'd make more money
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I paid $1000 but that was back in 2003 and the run wasn't too far from the main box.
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Well , buy the gfci breaker on amazon for 90 $ , go to a local store for the main breaker ... if you let the electrician sell you the gfci for 220 $ and the #6 gauge wire for 6 $ a feet then yeah it will cost you more money . It all depend if you are willing to do something to save some money. electrician work at 75 $ / hour over here , what your rate ?
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Extra box added, 80 ft to outside, and then the outside box thing.....60 amp.....tub about 5-6 feet from house....what do you think guys????? Thanx again guys!!!!!
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If they added a sub panel and ran 80 feet to an outside box then that's not a bad price.
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Extra box added, 80 ft to outside, and then the outside box thing.....60 amp.....tub about 5-6 feet from house....what do you think guys????? Thanx again guys!!!!!
That actually sounds very fair to me. That would be a really good price in my area. Like others said thigh, maybe get another bid just to compare.
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Thank guys.....since we have never done this before, just want to check with others that have.....I just had no idea about that. Will get a second just to be sure. Dealer is already calling about scheduling delivery!!!!!! We just have the down payment paid......hmmmmm. Maybe we got the super dooper you're the first sap sale of the year deal!!!!!!!!
Yeah, couldn't do that!!!!!
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I agree sounds like a good price to me but it never hurts to get 2nd prices
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1300 $ lmao . 4 $ per feet max for the wiring , 100 $ for the gfci , 40 $ for the main breaker , your spa must be far away from your main box :P
Vortex, I agree with your estimate. If I was given an estimate for $1800 I would get at least two more estimates. Is trenching involved? If so, perhaps this has boosted up the price.
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Did the electrician have to do anything else besides wire the tub? Did he have to up your service in the house? In mass a typical wiring job goes between $800-$1300 depending on how far the run is
I'm in MA and I came out just under $750 with 50ft of wiring...
For $1800 I could have had my spa wired and upgraded the house to 200A service, all inclusive.
http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/forum/index.php/topic,16022.msg171093.html#msg171093
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Did the electrician have to do anything else besides wire the tub? Did he have to up your service in the house? In mass a typical wiring job goes between $800-$1300 depending on how far the run is
I'm in MA and I came out just under $750 with 50ft of wiring...
For $1800 I could have had my spa wired and upgraded the house to 200A service, all inclusive.
http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/forum/index.php/topic,16022.msg171093.html#msg171093
That's what he's getting done I think. $750 is a real good price. You have to figure 300-500 in materials 50-100 for permits plus at least a few hours in labor.
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1300 $ lmao . 4 $ per feet max for the wiring , 100 $ for the gfci , 40 $ for the main breaker , your spa must be far away from your main box :P
Vortex, I agree with your estimate. If I was given an estimate for $1800 I would get at least two more estimates. Is trenching involved? If so, perhaps this has boosted up the price.
To just wire the spa, then yes those numbers are close. But, if you have to upgrade your service panel, and add another box, then $1300 is right in line. Another poster said $1800 was their bid to do that, so I think its pretty fair.
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yep 1300 $ sound fair
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We are also wiring for a possible sauna.....we've used this company before.....going to try and get one more quote just to be sure......delivery scheduled for 1/14/14!!!!!!!!!! So will probably be starting a new thread when we get it going!!!!! Will probably need some more of your expert advise!!!!!!!! Thanx all!!!!!!
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Ok.....pif!!!!! Delivery scheduled for 1/14.....electrician.....1/15........tubbin ASAP!!!!!!!!! Had another quote....very close......just waiting now!!!!!!!,
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So Mudhead, what was the final price for just wiring up your new tub?
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$1800.00........that also includes the sauna wiring.....not getting one right one but have also been looking into the benefits there too so may in the future!!!!! Tuesday delivery....Wednesday wiring.....fill, then water balancing.....have no experience there.....there may be new threads from me asking for more help!!!!!! Thanx again
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You'll be soaking by next weekend!!
Enjoy!
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Just got back from measuring the layout on the pad.....decided on location...now we have to finish clearing the snow and ice from the delivery area.....no using the tractor.....it would get stuck...going to need it when we are done clearing for it.....
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What kind of pad are you installing?
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Wew have a concrete pad already......we were trying to figure out placement of the tub on the pad and keep access to the basement open.......trying to decide wheth to power wash the concrete before it arrives. Are there tub pads for underneath the tub?
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You should be good to go with the concrete pad.
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May power wash concrete tomorrow.....just barely above freezing.....we should know tomorrow when the delivery is....
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There are pads out there like EZ Pad and there's others. But you shouldn't need one if the concrete is good.
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Concrete is fine....dirty but fine!!!!! 8). Driveway getting de-iced.....pathway shoveled....Tuesday still delivery day!!!!!
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You know we expect pictures! ;D
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Ok...so delivery is on for tomorrow between 8-12.....pathway is shoveled.....we are the first stop!!!!!! Now I'll have to figure out how to post pics here......
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I use photo bucket to host pictures then you can link em to here.
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We'll give it a try!!!!!
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Well?
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Mudhead,
Did you get your spa?
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It's here it's here it's here ITS HERE!!!!!!!!!! Arrived this morning.....the guys had it off the truck and down the hill to the pad before I could get outside, I asked if they had done this before...lol......had to turn it 90 degrees from where we thought becaudpse of the lifter. Our view of the woods would have been completely blocked. So now the only heighbor in view is blocked!!!!!! So, tomorrow is the $1800.00 electrician.....then fill. Read the booklet and add the chemicals....get the mineral do dad installed...turn the heater on.....and wait!!!!!!!!!
Sorry to keep you in suspense...had a project that I needed to finish tonight.....no playing on the internet....until now of course!!!!!!
Thanx again guys for all your help!!!!! Will give you the update again tomorrow......it's going to be another long day!!!!!
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Fill it when the electrician is wiring it.
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So you can check to see that everything is running while he is here? Give me an idea of how long they take to fill.....of course it's snowing right now!!!!!!!!
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I agree with Tman. It will most likely take a hour or so to fill depending on your water pressure. But yes, if you do fill it, then you can turn it on while the electrician is still there to make sure it powers on fine.
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Yes, that is what we did when we got ours last week. Make sure to put the hose in the filter area to prevent air lock. Also if you have a water softener you want to turn that off before filling. I also add metal and scale control when the tub is half full.
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Fill it when the electrician is wiring it.
+1 Good advice
I like to fill from the hot water tap (I split the one to my washing machine). My start up temp is 90 degrees and I can be in the tub in a very short period of time.
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Fill it when the electrician is wiring it.
+1 Good advice
I like to fill from the hot water tap (I split the one to my washing machine). My start up temp is 90 degrees and I can be in the tub in a very short period of time.
You must have a big-ass water heater. :)
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Glad you said heater rosewood!!!!!! Lol
Ok....Houston we have ignition!!!!!! Tub working......husband made the first mistake.....read the bottle on start up chems...ph fine....decided to work on chlorine.....yep....GREEN water now.....didn't want to wait for the dealer to call him back.....drained half and now refilling!!!!! Using the outdoor water.....it's about 53 degrees....he sting tonight...hoping to be tubbin temp tomorrow!!!!! Oh yeah, tested after just adding a "little" chlorine....he said it's supposed to be st 1.....we're at 9........soooooooooooooo we are going to have to work on this a bit!!!!!!!
Hope you all are finally off the floor from laughing so hare!!!!!!!!
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Ok...went down and tooked sting the tub....she's running.....53 degrees....and green......but it's a light pretty green......geeeeezeeeeeee
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Ok...so auto incorrect in he sting here.....he sting is actually heating......and hare....hard......last check for the evening.......temp....60 now......
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I trust it's higher than 60 degrees now.
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101 and it was snowing out!!!! 28 degrees!!!! First soak was fantastic!!!!!! Thanx all for your help and suggestions!!!!!! Water just a tinge of green!!!!!
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Put on some Irish music and enjoy it!
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Well we put on the music and one speaker is not working.....we also have to call our electrician back because the heater is not working with the two pumps running. We are supposed to have 60 ano service so we do have a slight problem.....I'm sure they will get this solved quickly for us.....still working on water balance......
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Hi Mudheadsports,
Glad to hear you are enjoying your new tub. After doing a lot of research online, my wife and I will finally start going out looking tomorrow. We will be going to different dealerships this coming week and then hope to do some wet tests the week after. One of the tubs we are very interested in is the Sundance Cameo. I was wondering what in particular attracted you to this tub? Also, the one concern I have is that my wife will "float" out of the lounger. Have you found that to be an issue (my wife is small - about 5' 2" and 107 pounds)? I know we will find out when we wet test, but I was just curious about your experience. I hope you don't mind me asking.
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Quickbeam....we are loving the cameo. I found the first time we got in, I was floating a little...I did find out that you just need to form to the lounger and no issues since....now that being said, I'm 6 ft. We did not wet test the cameo but did try the optima and really enjoyed it. That may be one for you to try. We had tried maax that had a lounger and I really liked it, so made our decision on getting sting lounger model based on that. We also tried a jacuzzi 4-- series and liked that one too.
We we're going to try the marquis resort but decided that we did like the sundance and the price was fantastic!!!!! She may find that some of the seats are too deep for her. The "captains chair" is close to being too deep for me....that's in the cameo and jacuzzi...I think I have come across a seat riser that would help......
Lmk if I can help with any other questions.....we were out again last night......in 15 degrees.....enjoy your search!!!!!!!
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Thanks Mudheadsports,
For your response. I really like the looks of the Cameo as it has what at least appears to be the perfect layout for our situation. I would like to get a lounger and with the Cameo we get that, plus the way the seats are laid out we get to take advantage of the view we have. Great tip on the depth of the seats though. Will definitely have to keep that in mind. Also would not have thought of booster seats. I think I'll start another post to see if anyone has them and if they are comfortable or just a pain. Thanks again. We're off now to look at tubs!!!
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Ok....here's a couple of other things
If you have a fantastic view, if you get the cover assist lifter, it will block one side of your view. We actually rotated our tub 90 degrees to take advantage of our views. Just look at if it is attached to the tub or goes underneith the base.
Also if you are going to wire for 60 amp service....so both pumps and the heater can run all at once, there is a PIN number that has to be punched in to program the tub to be able to work. And look into wiring as that is expensive too.
We purchased ours from a dealer in Indiana and got a fantastic deal.....be sure to ask about 2013 vs 2014 models if they are still available!!!!!!
Have fun and enjoy your search!!!!!!
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My current well water temp is 41 degrees I don't think my current little 22 gallon hot water tank would make much of a dent in 300 or so gallons ???
Keep it covered and buttoned up tight, resist the temptation. Another cold snap coming east.
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Heater is working without the pumps.....just when you are in and both pumps running no heater....still have not heard from the tech.....heading out now....9 out!!!!!!
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is it a gecko pack ?
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Sundance is proprietary. Not sure who makes the pack for them.
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we had this problem with gecko , you actually had to go in config and reduce the amp available on the audio or ozone in order to have the pack allow the heater to work when 2 pumps are running . let say the ozone default amp allowed is 5 amp , even if it aint using 5 amps , the pack still think its using 5 amp so he will not allow to exceed a certain amount of amp to run at the same time .
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Ok so part of that is womp womp womp womp........but I think that may be what the booklet was talking about. It comes with factory settings for lower amperage and has to be reset to allow everything to run if it is wired for 60 amps.....
Thanx again!!!!!!
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After reading the brochure, she even gave us wrong information.....only one pump....WRONG.....just dumb....sitting here right now, I think I know more about hotspring than she does. If we decide on a hotspring, it won't be from the Kalamazoo dealer!!!!!!!
I found another dealer in northern Indians that is around the corner from our jacuzzi dealer so we'll head there before we go to the wet test!!!!!
It's really not that unusual for a potential customer to know more than a mediocre or worse sales staff. With the resources available these days. Even in redneckville we have that intraweb thingy.
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Tman
I'm a salesperson and have been so for most of my life. Whatever product I am selling whether it be diamonds, shoes, clothing, rv items, I've always learned as much as I can about the product. Even being new, if I didn't know an answer, I'd find out. No bs, no fake information....and if I was new, I would explain that to a potential customer. I'm just always suprised at the mediocre job that some people think is acceptable.....I guess when I have my customers expect the best out of me, I hope to get the same type of treatment as a customer.....just me I guess........
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Tubbin in 9 degrees.......
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Tman
I'm a salesperson and have been so for most of my life. Whatever product I am selling whether it be diamonds, shoes, clothing, rv items, I've always learned as much as I can about the product. Even being new, if I didn't know an answer, I'd find out. No bs, no fake information....and if I was new, I would explain that to a potential customer. I'm just always suprised at the mediocre job that some people think is acceptable.....I guess when I have my customers expect the best out of me, I hope to get the same type of treatment as a customer.....just me I guess........
I have a buddy who can sell fire to the devil and ice to Eskimo's. He just has a way with people and always gets everything he needs to know his product inside and out.
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Speaking of salesmen, I was out doing some running around yesterday and saw a Beachcomber dealership. Beachcomber is not on my shortlist, but my brother-in-law has a Beachcomber and he is happy with it, so I decided to stop in. I walked in the door and the salesman came up to me, shook my hand and said "Beachcomber has the best hot tubs in the business, bar none". I made some non-committal remark and he asked if I had been looking at other brands. I told him I had and when he asked what brands I said Hotsprings, Jacuzzi, Sundance and Marquis. He started to trash all these brands. I got mad and told him I knew these were good manufacturers with good reputations and I didn't come in to hear him trash talk other brands. He could see I was mad, he apologized and said he had just been on a sales course where they had instructed them on how to approach customers. I told him it wasn't working!
So if I look at the salespeople I've dealt with in my search for a hot tub, I had a Hotsprings salesman who didn't know his product and wouldn't let me wet test, I had a Beachcomber salesman who was way too aggressive, and then I had a Marquis salesman who was very good and a Sundance / Jacuzzi salesman who was fantastic. Guess which brands I'm more likely to buy?
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There ya go. Is there a D1 guy around? Arctic? Vita? Clearwater?
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I looked for both D1 and Arctic Spa. Unfortunately there are no dealers close by. I'll take a look at the websites for Vita and Clearwater and see what they have. Thanks for the tip!
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The salesman we had really sold us on sundance. No trash talking....the closest thing he came to that was we told him we were going to wet test a marquis and he said he wasn't worried about that.....I saw that as confidence. Now I will tell you that we've had our spa for two weeks now I think and we had a bad speaker and now the led lights on the waterfall are out.......that is now a long term concern....we have used it every day.....yes even in single digits with wind chills in the negatives. We've found that you get a microclimate in the sap and it's not nearly as cold as the air around. We are about two steps to the house so not a lot of exposure before or after!!!
Happy tubbin all!!!!!!!!
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Ok all -36 out........I don't think there's tubbin today.......
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We had a high of -7 today. Woke up to -29. Hell it's down right balmy here compared to -36
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It's going to be 27 this weekend.....sounds like shorts weather!!!!!
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I get 10-15 for highs for the weekend. Ice fishing weather.
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I get 10-15 for highs for the weekend. Ice fishing weather.
above or below Zero?
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Its prooven that a perimeter insulation that actually heat air is a thousand time more effective than...
What?? can you show me the numbers on this?
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Its prooven that a perimeter insulation that actually heat air is a thousand time more effective than...
What?? can you show me the numbers on this?
?? what happen If you put a glass of cold water in a room set at 25 degrees ? Pm me and I will send you the whole document if you really need it .
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I suppose your going to tell us a glass of hot water will freeze faster than a glass of cold water. And that's why they use hot water in ice machines? I've heard so many people say this.
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no.. I wasnt talking to you btw but thanks for your contribution .
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Perimeter vs full foam is a lot of marketing BS... I prefer full foam, always have always will! Realistically most heat loss can be from a cover, heat wants to rise not go sideways.. perimeter insulation is usually backed up by motors heating the inside cabinet, where as full foam holds the heat in against/within the shell. Any heat that does go sideways will only go so far through a full foam spa..
Results vary across the board, in the big scheme of things, one way might cost you 5 or ten dollars a month. The other will also cost you 5 or ten dollars a month, it's a cost you cannot ever find in an electric bill. To many household variables in the mix.
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Perimeter vs full foam is a lot of marketing BS... I prefer full foam, always have always will! Realistically most heat loss can be from a cover, heat wants to rise not go sideways.. perimeter insulation is usually backed up by motors heating the inside cabinet, where as full foam holds the heat in against/within the shell. Any heat that does go sideways will only go so far through a full foam spa..
Results vary across the board, in the big scheme of things, one way might cost you 5 or ten dollars a month. The other will also cost you 5 or ten dollars a month, it's a cost you cannot ever find in an electric bill. To many household variables in the mix.
I guess its a matter of preference , most of the custumers like the noise reduction from the perimeter insulation and our technician prefeer to work in a hot tub that has perimeter insulation . It is true that for most of the custumer the price difference can be only 5 $ but the perimeter insulation become way more effective when the temperature goes below -7 degrees celsius and can provide a 200 $ difference annually .
The problem with the perimeter insulation is that you cant be sure its done properly from manufacturer to another . Full foam insulation is simple to do ... some use open cell foam and some use closed cell foam wich is better .
Like I said its a matter of choice and I have tried both and will never go back to full foam .
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I guess its a matter of preference , most of the custumers like the noise reduction from the perimeter insulation and our technician prefeer to work in a hot tub that has perimeter insulation . It is true that for most of the custumer the price difference can be only 5 $ but the perimeter insulation become way more effective when the temperature goes below -7 degrees celsius and can provide a 200 $ difference annually .
I agree with you VSC about the one sentence. That there is a preference for techs to work on non foamed tub leaks in the lines and at the jets. Equipment area is the same on both and 95 or more percent of my repairs are there.
The rest is bunk.
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I have yet to meet a tech including myself be it awhile now, that likes to dig through foam to repair a spa.... ;)
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I guess its a matter of preference , most of the custumers like the noise reduction from the perimeter insulation and our technician prefeer to work in a hot tub that has perimeter insulation . It is true that for most of the custumer the price difference can be only 5 $ but the perimeter insulation become way more effective when the temperature goes below -7 degrees celsius and can provide a 200 $ difference annually .
I agree with you VSC about the one sentence. That there is a preference for techs to work on non foamed tub leaks in the lines and at the jets. Equipment area is the same on both and 95 or more percent of my repairs are there.
The rest is bunk.
So you are not agreeing that thermal insulation reduce the noise from the pump ? Where I live , we have 4 months of temperature below -7 degrees during the year and both insulation has been tested by a wellknown spa pack manufacturer and it did show the huge difference when the temperature drop . The saving would not be significant if you live in a hot climate thats for sure .
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Noise vs heat retention are two different things. Thermal vs full foam, what's the difference in the "equipment area" a psc of foam on the actual door/panel itself? Both have their place it really is a no win situation. Much like the Seahawks against the Donkeys!
If you want to believe your equipment maker fine, but they really could care less about noise or insulation. They want to sell you a pack, not a spa....
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So you are not agreeing that thermal insulation reduce the noise from the pump ? Where I live , we have 4 months of temperature below -7 degrees during the year and both insulation has been tested by a wellknown spa pack manufacturer and it did show the huge difference when the temperature drop . The saving would not be significant if you live in a hot climate thats for sure .
I would rather believe my real world experience. There is no spa quieter than a Hot Spring and it is fully foamed. There is no spa more efficient that a Hot Spring again fully foamed. And I don't even put HS in my top 3. There is only one or two company's that do TP right and they still aren't as efficient. So your data is skewed. And I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the relatively mild temps you live in. Never got above 14 F in Northern Minnesota in January. Our average is -7C for a high and -17C for a low. Your well known spa pack manufacturer is also full of bunk.
We don't have to argue VSC, everyone here knows your trying to sell your tubs and I'm making sure the bullsh** level stays low.
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So you are not agreeing that thermal insulation reduce the noise from the pump ? Where I live , we have 4 months of temperature below -7 degrees during the year and both insulation has been tested by a wellknown spa pack manufacturer and it did show the huge difference when the temperature drop . The saving would not be significant if you live in a hot climate thats for sure .
I would rather believe my real world experience. There is no spa quieter than a Hot Spring and it is fully foamed. There is no spa more efficient that a Hot Spring again fully foamed. And I don't even put HS in my top 3. There is only one or two company's that do TP right and they still aren't as efficient. So your data is skewed. And I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the relatively mild temps you live in. Never got above 14 F in Northern Minnesota in January. Our average is -7C for a high and -17C for a low. Your well known spa pack manufacturer is also full of bunk.
We don't have to argue VSC, everyone here knows your trying to sell your tubs and I'm making sure the bullsh** level stays low.
Considering that your own experience is based on spa repairs limited to your area , I would stick to the report of that Spa controller manufacturer who sell their pack to manufacturers who does full foam and Tp . Thanks for sharing your knowledge .
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One of the reasons I decided on a Artic Spa, was for ease of maintenance.
I believe it is a well build piece of equipment and TP appealed to me much more than full foam- I have had my share of troubles with a full foam tub in the past and I didn't want to go down that street again.
That said, only time will tell if I made the right decision. If I didn't, I didn't. I will share my experiences here, both good and bad, for everyone to see.
There are many great spa choices out there. It's a shame that the one common denominator I've seen since I've been looking is how so many folks in this business bash the crap out of their competitors in order to land a sale.
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One of the reasons I decided on a Artic Spa, was for ease of maintenance.
I believe it is a well build piece of equipment and TP appealed to me much more than full foam- I have had my share of troubles with a full foam tub in the past and I didn't want to go down that street again.
That said, only time will tell if I made the right decision. If I didn't, I didn't. I will share my experiences here, both good and bad, for everyone to see.
There are many great spa choices out there. It's a shame that the one common denominator I've seen since I've been looking is how so many folks in this business bash the crap out of their competitors in order to land a sale.
Im sure you will like it , the only thing that can be negative is that your water will get very hot during summer but all the positive aspect of the tp will make you forget that .
If I wanted Full foam on Vortex , I would just call the headoffice and have them change it but since I tried both I will never go back to full foam again .
Am I correct or you should receive your Artic this week ?
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I was just called today to let me know the tub has been completed. It will be sent to Spokane. I was told they have a shipper that they entrust their hot rubs to, that will than ship it to the East Coast, where l live.
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Hopefully it will arrive in one piece. :). I don't use the hot tub much during the summer,anyway, Vortex, so I don't see that as an issue. If I decide to fill it up in the summer months, I'll install the louvered door that I had them throw in.
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Vortex, we'll wave as it goes by on 80.......hopefully it will get there soon!!!!!!
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hehe yeah this winter been especially cold
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One of the reasons I decided on a Artic Spa, was for ease of maintenance.
I believe it is a well build piece of equipment and TP appealed to me much more than full foam- I have had my share of troubles with a full foam tub in the past and I didn't want to go down that street again.
That said, only time will tell if I made the right decision. If I didn't, I didn't. I will share my experiences here, both good and bad, for everyone to see.
There are many great spa choices out there. It's a shame that the one common denominator I've seen since I've been looking is how so many folks in this business bash the crap out of their competitors in order to land a sale.
I would take an Arctic over a Hot Springs. Sorry HS guys.
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Oops....rosewood!!!!!!!
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What's up, Mudhead? :)
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Vortex, can you please post a link to that report you keep mentioning from the spa pack manufacturer? I would like to see that.
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Water Boy,
So what's the story on Artic's new jets?
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Water Boy,
So what's the story on Artic's new jets?
I think Vortex is wrong on that. To my knowledge, there aren't any new jets for 2014. We did get new RD jets for 2013, but not for 2014.
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Water Boy,
So what's the story on Artic's new jets?
I think Vortex is wrong on that. To my knowledge, there aren't any new jets for 2014. We did get new RD jets for 2013, but not for 2014.
Vortex wrong? :o ;)
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He was talking about the RD jets
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Yes, the RD jets for 2014 are the same as they were in 2013.
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ohh welll , I though you guys had them aswell , we received the info on mid January but havent tried them yet . Will keep you posted when we get them
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Do you guys still use Rd LEDs ?
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Rosewood
Said we would wave sting your tub going down I 80 to its new home!!!!!!! Lol
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Water boy...is that Richard Simmons working out there?????
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Water boy...is that Richard Simmons working out there?????
I think that may be Will Ferrell
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Yep, Will Ferrell in wedding crashers. Nothing hot tub related, just a funny part from a funny movie!
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Sorry guys...I'm thinking Richard.....
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Well, it's been a couple of months with our sundance cameo!!!!! We are still enjoying it and working thru the water chemistry!!!!! Also discovered that the fragrances may be an issue for my skin. We're still using it quite regularly.....I don't use it unless I've done my workout for the day so it's been a motivational tool too......had a couple minor issues. A speaker wasn't working when we got it, and then the waterfall lights decided to go out......other than that it's been good!!!!!
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Glad to hear the tub is working out. You will have many years of enjoyment!
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Thanx Rose......
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So....4 months in and am having better luck with keeping the chemicals in balance.....still using it regularly....and still loving it!!!!!!!! We do have an issue with tree frogs getting in......never thought about that being an issue......any ideas there????
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Dinner?