Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: gkloib on June 22, 2013, 07:21:32 am
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On May 25th, 2013 my Sunrise Spa – Aquarian Model, serial #12F116 broke down. Having confidence that Sunrise Spas provided service after the sale, I anticipated that the spa would be out of service approximately 2 weeks.
As of this date, my dealer – Pelican Pool’s, Langhorne PA store, has indicated that they have no idea of a delivery date for the parts that were ordered.
Having spent $7,000 on a spa, I would not have anticipated that it would not have broken down with-in the 1st year of ownership (the spa was built June 14, 2012), but accepted the break-down with the anticipation that Sunrise Spa’s would stand behind their product by providing customer service that matched my perceived quality of product.
My dealer is avoiding my calls, and Sunrise is not responding to any e-mail.
Help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Greg
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You might try actually going to the store and talk to them? What's your spa doing or not doing?
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What parts are on order? Unless the parts are back ordered, there is no reason they shouldn't be able to give to an eta and even then they should still have an idea. Why can't they take parts off a floor model then to get you up and running?
If you let me know what parts you are waiting on I can check with Sunrise to see if the holdup is on their end or your dealers.
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Talked with Pelican Pools today and am no closer to a solution.
The part I need is a Spa Pack.
From talking with my service tech, it seems that there are business issues between SunRise Spa's and Pelican.
Though I don't know the details, Pelican is no longer sellling SunRise Spa's and SunRise Spa's is not supporting warranty claims. I'm stuck in the middle of two companies that regardless of the details of their individual business issues are not taking care of the customer.
Frankly, if I'm SunRise Spa's deal directly with me (I've e-mailed them a number of times), the customer - send me my Spa Pack, but SunRise Spa's does not answer any phone-calls or e-mails either. Regardless of the business dealings between a dealer and manufacturer it's poor customer relations to the consumer.
If anyone out there can get me a Spa Pack, let me know - Pelican will still do the install for me and reimburse me for having to purchase a Spa Pack.
Greg
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- Pelican will still do the install for me and reimburse me for having to purchase a Spa Pack.
Greg
You better get that in writing! Good luck with your situation. That's such a poor way to do business. Even if the dealer you bought the spa from isn't working with the mfr., they still spent the commission/profit they made off of the sale.
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Looks like your issue is with sunrise. Sent them an attorneys letter demanding a response. The manufacturer is the warranty center not pelican
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It's possible that pelican never paid the manufacturer for the spa. In some states, the manufacturer would then not be required to honor, or be responsible for, any warranty.
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Regardless of the business relationship between the dealer and the manufacturer, it would be professional for SunRise Spa's to at a minimum respond to my e-mail(s). They've done nothing.
Greg K
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Who at Sunrise have you been trying to deal with? The spa pack is a Gecko in.xe pack. I can email Sunrise service and see what they tell me about the availability of the pack. I can ask about the situation with Pelican though I'm not sure I will get an answer if there are ongoing legal issues between them.
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I just pm'd you.
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Parts are "on order" so says Pelican Pools. But when questioning the parts order, have learned that the parts are coming from a parts wholesaler (Horizon).
Also finally received and e-mail from SunRise Spa's which stated I should contact my dealer. As they assured me the parts are on order (interesting since the parts are not coming from SunRise)
Why would a dealer need to go to a parts wholesaler to purchase parts, when a supposedly responsible manufacturer should be providing this warranty service?
Greg
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You just can't get good customer service anymore (as a whole and I know their are a few good ones left), but in general, people just want your money up front and then forget you after that. I feel your pain.
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As of Saturday, June 29th the Spa pack still not installed but has been delivered, installation by Pelican Pools set for Monday.
However, I've now learned that SunRise Spa's will not be providing any warranty coverage. Reading the SunRise warranty "warranty applies to spa's made after January 1, 2012 sold for residential use only by an authorized dealer." Is the SunRise Warranty worth anything?
I purchased SunRise because I believed they were a quality and reputable company.
Sounds like I may need to contact a lawyer, at a minimum the Better Business Bureau.
Greg
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Sunrise is owned by the same people who make Dreammaker's I believe. One of them bought out the other and it looks like they aren't warrantying anything made before the merger. That's a terrible way to do business
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There has to be something else going on here. I have some Sunrise's from 2011 that have warranties being honored. The only products that could be questionable would have been Dreammaker and Freestyle which Sunrise did not own prior to 2012.
Who said the warranty is not being honored, Sunrise or your dealer?
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What I've been told is that Pelican Pools is no longer selling SunRise Spa's. Additionally and perhaps related, SunRise is not providing warranty service for the Spa's that they'd distributed through Pelican to consumers.
If Pelican would have gone out of business, would SunRise still default on warranty coverage?
Regardless of the business issues between SunRise and Pelican it would be good customer service to stand behind the warranty that was provided.
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If I had to guess i would say pelican owes them some serious money. If pelican never paid for your tub then they don't need to warranty it. We had that happen in our area a few years back. I company went out of business and didn't pay for a whole bunch of tubs. When problems came up the manufacturer wouldn't pay for any warranty work done so the customer ended up having to pay out of pocket.
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The work around for this (been in the same position), is to contact the manufacturer of the failed equipment. My experience was that they'd usually cover the component, but not the labor.
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Update - Spa Pack was installed yesterday, SunRise Spa is up and running fine.
Dr Spa, to your point, my main concern is the SunRise warranty. As a point of reference I've contacted SunRise, they've only sent me a short, response "contact your dealer." If there are future issues with the Spa and they will cover parts (if needed) as is stipulated in the warranty, that'd be great. I know a local guy who'd serviced my previous spa.
The problem has been SunRise hasn't responded to communications.
I've been happy with the spa, but have never seen such indifferent customer service.
My latest e-mail to SunRise was Friday, more to come.
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There may be no warranty through SunRise. As has been said by others, if Pelican NEVER paid Sunrise for the spa, depending on the laws of your state, SunRise may have no obligation to cover anything under warranty.
To expand on my previous post, what I meant was if for instance, your pump goes out, contact the actual manufacturer of the pump for a warranty claim.
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I can see where the dealership might have screwed over the mfr in this case (if that's not just speculation) but if the customer bought the mfr's product, it seems like the mfr. would ultimately be responsible for the product warranty after it is purchased. The lack of payment from the dealership to the mfr. should, in no way, affect the end user's experience. The courts should be used to settle the dispute between the mfr and the dealer, not the customer that bought in good faith. Now, the customer would bear the responsibility and expense of making things right.
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I was told by Sunrise this morning that the issue is on Pelican Pools end and that the warranty is valid and being honored.
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The lack of payment from the dealership to the mfr. should, in no way, affect the end user's experience. The courts should be used to settle the dispute
The courts are VERY used to it...and generally if the manufacturer has NOT been paid, there is NO warranty they're obligated to honor. (your mileage may vary depending on the laws in your state)....
It's really simple folks, if an item hasn't been paid for in full, there is no warranty. The fact that the customer paid the dealer is one thing, if the dealer didn't pay the manufacturer, then there is NO warranty from the manufacturer.
One twist on this, since the customer DID pay the dealer, the dealer may be responsible to honor the warranty (again, your mileage may vary depending on your state laws....though it sounds like in this case this is exactly what's happening).
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Received e-mail from SunRise today. In e-mail SunRise states they will support future warranty issues (as needed) but to contact SunRise directly.
The e-mail also stipulated that there are "no issues with Pelican" however, from Pelican I was told that SunRise would not take a warranty service request from them and were forced to purchase my spa pack from a third party (Horizon). If there were no issues, I'm remiss as to why Pelican was forced to purchase a spa pack elsewhere.
Regardless of the issues between SunRise and Pelican, I'm cautiously optimistic about the need for future service and based upon this situation am dissappointed with both companies.
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Ok, spa ran for 2 1/2 month's and is now down again...how long to get it fixed and how many hassles this time around???