Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: dazedandconfused on June 02, 2004, 04:46:07 pm
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Any SD dealers out there?
I see that this manufacturer's rebate is valid through end of June with rebates up to $2000.
Anybody know the rebate amount on an Optima and Cameo?
Thanks
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Jeeeze Louise.. Haven't you bought yet? ;D ;D ;D
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You would think I was getting closer! lol
The Sundance website now has an operator that gives live help! Kinda neat; unfortunately, it will probably raise prices to cover this cost! Oh well.
The web assistant could not tell me the break down of the rebate - only to call your local dealer for the details.
I thought some dealers on this forum could help me!
Thanks
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::) ??? >:( ::)
The advertisement on the Sundance web site looks very much like a scam. They hold out $2,000 and take it back within the same ad. In fact, it is clear from the ad that the dealer must be "participating", meaning they kick in at least some of the discount. If this kind of ad were made by an auto manufacturer, woundn't they be in violation of all kinds of laws.
In part, the ad says, "... you may be eligible for $2,000 off selected spa packages. At participating dealers only. Dealer set actual pricing. Model offers and discount may vary per location. See dealer for details."
What about this, you other hot tub dealers? This is not right. At this very least, Sundance is not being straight with folks.
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Dealer sets prices. That's the bottom line.
Want to know how to save $2000 off the price of a Sundance spa? Buy a Tiger River.
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Dealer sets prices. That's the bottom line.
Want to know how to save $2000 off the price of a Sundance spa? Buy a Tiger River.
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Now thats funny considering the tiger rivers are not even in the same class as a Sundance.
The ad is exactly what it says at participating dealers. Sundance has over 750 dealers around the world and not all participate in these Sundance promotions. At the savings of the promotion from Sundance right now a Sweetwater Bahia and an Optima would be the same price in our stores. No haggle pricing in on ours.
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Thanks!
But is this a rebate from the manufacturer or just a sale at the dealer?
I assume it is a rebate since it is advertised on the corporate sundance website.
Are there any SD dealers ou there that can answer this yes?
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I was at my Sundance dealer this week and he is extending the sale to July 31. The prices he quoted me on a few models are as follows, and these prices are with the $2000 taken off. Its not a rebate, its instant. These prices include cover, startup chems, delivery/setup.
Metro: $5167
Capri: $6100
Caprio: $5580
Marin: $6780
SunZone ozonator: $250
I dont really have any way to verify/compare pricing other than prices I find on these forums. I live in Raleigh, NC and so far, these prices seem ballpark with others I've read in postings. We havent gotten into negotiations yet, still at the beginning stages of looking. But the dealers do know us, we are establishing a relationship and they seem knowledge, helpful, honest at this point. We've done extensive research and know answers to questions we ask to see how they reply. Btw, any feedback on those prices listed above would be appreciated! I think we've narrowed it down to the Caprio or the J345. Going to look at Marquis this weekend.
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Calicoskies,
How much did they quote you for a cameo or optima? If you do not mind, can you tell me the name of the dealer you went to? Was it in Raleigh?
Do you think the 'instant' cash was out of the dealer's pocket or given to the dealer via the manufacturer?
Thanks
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The factory is not giving any money to the dealer for this sale. The dealer sets the price. If they were doing this on the Jacuzzi side, which (depending on the success of the program) I'm sure they will, the J-385 w/ stereo and synthetic siding has an MSRP set by the manufacturer of $13,100. With the $2000 off, thats 11,100. A HOME RUN for any dealer regardless of overhead. IT"S MARKETING PEOPLE. If the dealer wants to go lower than that it is entirely his/her perogative. It's only advertizing. Just like the $500 coupon Jacuzzi put out last year.
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Now thats funny considering the tiger rivers are not even in the same class as a Sundance.
Yes, you're right - the Tiger Rivers are a step above.... ;)
But seriously, I have sold HotSpring products for 18 years, and I have a great deal of respect for Sundance. Having 'grown up' in the same San Diego market, the two companies have much in common, and the two products show great care in offering features that the consumers want.
Put the two side by side, and you see striking similarities.
Both are 7'7" square, both hold the same number of people, both are fully insulated, digital controls, TR has more jets and more jet variety, LED lighting, large filter area, circ pumps, two jet pumps, fully adjustable jets, we have interchangeable spinners for small and medium, you have fluidix and adjustable spinners, foot jets on a raised dome, some extra-large jets, one seat with tons of jets and another with larger jets in a cluster, non-wood siding, sealed bottom, recycled heat from jet pump motor, large companies, ISO 9001, good warranties, well backed, quality dealers, no-fault warranty on the heater - though you have to step up to our top-of-the-line to get Titanium - direct-contact heater, you have a blower, we don't want a blower, diverter valves, quality dealers - mentioned it twice because it's important. . .
They are truly in the same league.
(http://sundancespas.com/Images/Spas/Optima.jpg)
(http://tigerriver.hotspring.com/Models/jpgs/siberian_jade.jpg)
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If this is not a rebate, why is SD corp advertising it on their website?
Is there a SD dealer on this forum that can tell me that this is dealer sponsored and not corporate? Also, can you tell me that you are receiving $0 from corp?
Thanks
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The point is, if they raise the price $2000 or $2500 and then give you a $200 "rebate" what have you gained? As Wisoki said, its a marketing gimmick.
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I understand your point. But here is where I am coming from ---
I have a pretty decent quote of 7k for the optima or cameo with cover, lifter, led, ozone, etc. If this is a corp rebate, then that rebate should be passed on to me as any other rebate (staples, home depot, lowes, etc), ie, it is mailed to my home. This rebate is great for me cause I would save 2k on the spa. It would not effect the dealer because it is not his cash - its corp cash.
Understand?
The dealer still makes his profit (7000 - all his costs) whatever that is. By the way, he is making a profit since he like any other business would not sell at a break even or loss price.
I just need to know if this is a corp rebate or a dealer sponsored event??
I have a feeling that this cash comes from corp and some dealers pocket this for themselves?
If I can get some straight answers (from emails I have sent to SD corp, emails to dealers, forums, etc), I would feel better about this.
Thanks
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Good point but all I know is, you're not going to get $2k off some super low sale price. You're not even going to get $2k off the decent deal price. I'm not sure where the rebate comes from but while you'll end up with a good sales price in the end they'll get what they need as well.
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Here is my plan if I can confirm that it is a corp rebate:
The deal on the table (BEFORE the launch of the luxury living event) is 7000, so ---
If the rebate comes to my house, I would pay the 7000 to the dealer. The 2000 check comes to my house and I have a nice spa for 5000 (7000 - 2000). The dealer makes his needed profit since he offered 7000 in the first place.
If the rebate goes to the dealer, I would pay 5000. The 2000 check goes to the dealer. Net, the dealer has 7000 (my 5000 and the 2000 rebate). The dealer makes his needed profit since he offered 7000 in the first place.
Does this make sense if the rebate is from corp?
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Take it from me or not, it makes no never mind to me. You are not going to recieve any check in the mail from Sundance. It would be along the lines of "dealer retains all rebates" (used in car sales) which equates to, the dealer will tell you you are getting x ammount off the selling price. As a former authorized Jacuzzi dealer (now unauthorized and dumping inventory) the parent company for Jacuzzi Premium and Sundance, I can assure you, nobody is getting a check in the mail from this "rebate."
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This is their add verbatim. Nowhere in it does it say "rebate." What it does say... You MIGHT (may) be eligible... I would guess that the deal you are getting for the Optima or Cameo for 7K is NOT eligibe.
Treat yourself to
the Sundance Experience.
Make a purchase at a participating dealer between
June 1 - June 30, 2004, and you may be eligible
for $2,000 off selected spa packages.
At participating dealers only. Dealer set actual pricing.
Model offers and discount may vary per location. See Dealer for details. Click here to find your nearest Sundance Spas Dealer.
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Does it say anywhere that I may win the loto? Will they deliver that check too? ;D
D&C... tubs don't get discounted $2000.00 for no reason. Maybe they have a couple of 1996 models they're clearing out?
It's a perceived value thing and they hope it peaks interest. Business margins don't change and the dealer won't sell any spa at cost. Not for long anyway. ;D
I'll let the cat out of the bag and say that there may be about $2000.00 profit in that spa total.
Steve
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Yes, you're right - the Tiger Rivers are a step above.... ;)
But seriously, I have sold HotSpring products for 18 years, and I have a great deal of respect for Sundance. Having 'grown up' in the same San Diego market, the two companies have much in common, and the two products show great care in offering features that the consumers want.
Put the two side by side, and you see striking similarities.
Good point if you were comparing the TR to the Sweetwater Bahia. I'd have to say they are a more compatible match up, of course the Bahia is Superior because it's made made by Sundance. ;)
Sweetwater Filtration cycles No Clean button as Watkins uses. The wording on TR is very tricky not exactly telling you that.
Multiple filters in TR one filter interchangeable with Sundance filter down to ONE Micron.
Sweetwater rigid bond shell toughest in the industry.
Sweetwater actual water temp not desired as is in Watkins products.
Sweetwater Microprocessors automatically check all spa functions 24 hours a day.
Sweetwater not as many jets because you don't need all those small pinpoint feeling jets in a hot tub.
I'm sure I could go on but theres yard work to do.
On to the post at hand I'll sell you an Optima or Cameo for $8295 all day long no rebate or cash back deals,with a complete package to serve all you hot tubbing need. Delivered cover and some extras quite a few too.
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There is no rebate involved. Whatever price the dealer quotes you includes this promotion. The trick is then knowing what the same package sold for a few weeks ago. That would show what the true value, if any, of this promotion is.
I'm wondering if Sundance has reduced their wholesale price, and is leaving it up to the individual dealers to decide how much, if any, of that reduction to pass on to the consumer.
Brewman
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Thanks guys!
My 7000 quote was given to me before the luxury living sale. Should I qualify for any additional savings?
'I'll let the cat out of the bag and say that there may be about $2000.00 profit in that spa total. '
Steve - Are you a SD dealer? Is your statement above true?
Sorry guys for all the questions!
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Should I qualify for any additional savings?
A phone call to the dealer will answer that question.
Steve - Are you a SD dealer? Is your statement above true?
:o :o :o Have I ever lied to you? I speak nothing but the truth. :) I'm not a Sundance dealer but I'm also not selling Jewlery where the 100% + margins are. Profit on a hot tub varies but to make 2 or 3 G's on a spa isn't unreasonable. By the time commisions and overhead is paid for out of that, it equates to about $1000.00 profit to the dealer. Now, this number changes from dealer to dealer and the tub purchased but my point is that there isn't huge margins in tubs. Not like most think anyway.
Steve
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Should I qualify for any additional savings?
Profit on a hot tub varies but to make 2 or 3 G's on a spa isn't unreasonable. By the time commisions and overhead is paid for out of that, it equates to about $1000.00 profit to the dealer. Now, this number changes from dealer to dealer and the tub purchased but my point is that there isn't huge margins in tubs. Not like most think anyway. [/i]
Steve
Your absolutely right Steve Most businesses cannot keep the doors open with less than a 30% margin unless they are selling a very high volume product.
Factory rebates should not effect the dealers margin.
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Dazed: I didnt take a quote for those 2 Sundances as I'm already positive they are out of my $6000 budget. Also, I can email you the dealer info, I wont post it here. I dont know why you are calling it a rebate, I was at the dealer and it didnt say on the signage that its a rebate. Just go visit your dealer and ask him, sounds like he is not participating to me if he hasnt mentioned it to you or doesnt have banners up in the shop.
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Take it from me or not, it makes no never mind to me. You are not going to recieve any check in the mail from Sundance. It would be along the lines of "dealer retains all rebates" (used in car sales) which equates to, the dealer will tell you you are getting x ammount off the selling price. As a former authorized Jacuzzi dealer (now unauthorized and dumping inventory) the parent company for Jacuzzi Premium and Sundance, I can assure you, nobody is getting a check in the mail from this "rebate."
I agree, Coleman has had factory rebates in the past and only once did the customer get a check back. Every other rebate was taken off the top. What the dealer charges or discounts is up to that dealer, but the factory rebate was the same. and was determined by the series of tub purchased.
Spahappy
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Well jacuzzi had a $500 rebate last month and the dealer i got it from took $500 right off the price just by me asking.even if I payed the $500 he was still $700 cheaper then most of the other jacuzzi stores.Johnny Thunders ;)
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Yes, you're right - the Tiger Rivers are a step above.... ;)
But seriously, I have sold HotSpring products for 18 years, and I have a great deal of respect for Sundance. Having 'grown up' in the same San Diego market, the two companies have much in common, and the two products show great care in offering features that the consumers want.
Put the two side by side, and you see striking similarities.
Both are 7'7" square, both hold the same number of people, both are fully insulated, digital controls, TR has more jets and more jet variety, LED lighting, large filter area, circ pumps, two jet pumps, fully adjustable jets, we have interchangeable spinners for small and medium, you have fluidix and adjustable spinners, foot jets on a raised dome, some extra-large jets, one seat with tons of jets and another with larger jets in a cluster, non-wood siding, sealed bottom, recycled heat from jet pump motor, large companies, ISO 9001, good warranties, well backed, quality dealers, no-fault warranty on the heater - though you have to step up to our top-of-the-line to get Titanium - direct-contact heater, you have a blower, we don't want a blower, diverter valves, quality dealers - mentioned it twice because it's important. . .
They are truly in the same league.
and maybe one day the Tiger River will come with the pearl finish....
The Tiger River is sold as a cheaper alternative in Hot Springs stores. You may not like the Moto Massage that is only offered in the Hot Springs line, that is fine, but If you are going to be given a choice, why settle for a tub with a dated finish.
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Dazedandconfused,
There was a similar promotion going on last summer while I was looking. My husband specifically asked the Sundance dealer about the discount and he said he wished the manufacturer wouldn't post these. He gives a price, with little wiggle room. He said he wanted to give a fair price to customers all the time, not base it on some silly promotion.
I think that is what the dealers on the board are trying to tell you. It is a marketing gimmick! Nothing more, nothing less. Just a way to get people in the door.
You have been quoted a great price (from what I know) so I would run with it!
Good luck!
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It is a national marketing campaign benifitting dealers. Jacuzzi had a $500.00 off of msrp sale, we were at $1000.00 off of msrp. Coleman did a rebate a few years ago that was an actual check mailed to consumers, $150 off Cal coops, $200 off spectrum and $400 off horizon and the dealer paid 1/2 of the rebate out of thier account back to Coleman in exchange for the advertising dollars Coleman spent. The Sundance sale appears to be the same as Jacuzzi a national advertising campaign driving more consumers into their showroom. This can save money for the dealer, but is not a rebate. The local dealer here has actually raised thier price and is then taking the $2000 off and has told customers that this offer is not valid with any other or previous sale/price quotes. This was told to me by someone looking at sundance and JP, Coleman.
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Well the Jacuzzi dealer wanted $6495 for their spa but told him about the $500 Jacuzzi rebate for my J-355 and he took $500 off and cost me $5995 plus tax and free delivery.When the guy came over to bring my spa it seems that the dealer paid him $200 to setup the spas at homes.So really the dealer charged me $5795 lol plus steps cover chems were free.Johnny Thunders ;)