Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: TiredAndConfused on March 09, 2011, 03:50:48 pm
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Do these two compare pretty well? and would $8400 be a good price for a St. Andrews?
I appreciate all advice,
TAC
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Also questions on the lounger seats..........
Anyone know which might be better? the St. Andrews legs are straight out and the TS legs bent.......
Silly question but thought someone might have a view on this as well. the MS is cheaper but I don't know.
Thanks again,
TAC
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hi,
we just purchased a st. andrew and love it. It is a 2010 model with the saltwater system. I don't know anything about the Master Spa(never heard of it or seen it) other than on the forums. so it must be something available in the US?
The jets are awesome and for my husband and I we don't usually turn on the air because it will push us out of our seats.
Hope this helps a bit. :)
We got our St. Andrew for $9200 + taxes that included everything, delivery, steps, cover and lifter.
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ON the price for the St. Andrew that is a great price i am higher on that model, Really on the shape of the lounger bent or straight. just different concepts. the idea with the St. Andrew, its like a recliner chair, legs straight out, actually very comfortable, I think the fact the Clearwater spa has the 24/7 circ pump standard.. i don't think you can go wrong. as long as you like the dealer you are working with , should be a great fit...
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You really cant compare the Master Spa t.s. 6.2 to a Clearwater St. Andrews.
something more comparable would be the Master spa legend LSX700 if you are looking at Masters.
St. Andrews:
http://www.clearwaterspas.com/index.cfm/product/28_3/st-andrew---signature.cfm
84"x84"x36"
2 - 6hp pumps, 1 circ
66 jets
Master Spa LSX700:
http://www.masterspas.com/lsx700.php
84"x84"x36"
3 6hp pumps, 1 circ standard
53 jets, but 2 master blaster foot jets (15 in each)
these 2 are very close in specs and in price as well.
I think the seating in the master spa is much better, but try them out
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also.... the jet count is kinda not important.
if you have 2 pumps pushing out to 63 jets
this just means the preasure is going to be less then 3 pumps pushing out of 53.
but all spas you can usally divert and fine tune jet disburstment.
so the more i researched, it seems to me masters has better features when it comes down to it
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51Dz_mdXhlY
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spaguy911
you say that you like the seating better in the Master, look close enough they almost identical,, i have sat in both,,,, on your captains chairs Clearwater has 6 calf jets in each seat and the legs conform more to the shape,, jets are a wash ,, 53 jets versus 66, 3 jet pumps versus 2, yes clearwater uses diverter valves, also on the exterior the St. Andrew has LEDs on each exterior panel, ABS pan as the base, insulation is similiar in both use the thermal chamber system with 24/ 7 circ pumps keeping water moving and heat in the chamber. but as for comparables i still think they are comparable. a big differance is the AIRS cover lifter, so comparisons are very similiar,
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im confused do you agree with me, or are you just trying to start a fight?
I ment, I personally like the seating in the LSX700 better. thats my personal opinion. i to have sat in both, and i think the seats alone are much diffrent in the spas. the extream seat in the master is the best seat i ever sat in period. then the reverse mold is better then anyones out there. the lounger im not a fan of in any spa.
but be clear, you pretty much agree with me.
they are close in specs. more so the LSX then the Twilight 6.2
you gotta compare apples to apples
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The master has ABS pan as the base to, insulation is similiar in both use the thermal chamber system with 24/ 7 circ pumps keeping water moving and heat in the chamber with ozone.
who really cares about LEDs on each exterior panel? are you seeing them most of the time?
the master has 6 calf jets on the lounger.
your grasping.
and what does a cover lifter have to do with anything? do you do sales? you must
from what i researched the master is cheaper by 500 or more.
better pump set up
lsx700 is a automotive steel frame....
filter system is better
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no not starting a fight here,,,, but i have been doing this a long time,,,,, Ok so you are telling me that Master is better because also on the calf jets i was merely stating the differances again but did you miss the calf jets in each captains chairs...
1. has a steel automotive frame. why such a short warranty if this is the best?
2. Better pump setup!!!!! better in what way, how it is bolted down? access?
3. filter setup is better. what is better about it?
I am asking these questions as your answers were vague, any manufacutrer out here with salesman can say these things not just Master or Clearwater, also D1, Sundance, Jacuzzi, Marquis, Hot Springs etc.. we see it on this site all the time.. I am just curiuos how why you think this....
I am not grasping i was was just noting some differences...
The AIRS cover does not use a typical covermate or easylifter, the cover does not need the linear heat shield it actually seals very well...I do sell Clearwater and D1 which i like better than both of these brands, Again this IMO.....
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1. has a steel automotive frame. why such a short warranty if this is the best?
10 year stucture? not prorated how is that short?
2. Better pump setup!!!!! better in what way,
You get a whole extra pump with the master spa mcfly
3. filter setup is better. what is better about it?
the eco pure tech. alone is better, easier access then the comp. but honestly who cares they are all made by the same manufact.
the cover has nothing to do with anything, really i leave my spa uncovered all the time, who cares about the bill.
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it makes sense to me now though you are a dealer....
but me i am just a guy that is pumped up by spas.
i eat them for breakfast
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm_kiqNhlTo&feature=related
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The spa challenge isn't valid not conclusive,as a CaVeN spa wasn't included,in the challenge.
Till then,I'll still be brainwashed in my thinking,that a Caldera spa is 1 of the elite!
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NikiR,
Thanks. I think that is what we might purchase, yes are in the US. I appreciate everyones insight it is surely confusing with all the choice and difficult to compare, then you have dealers that don't want to give prices and manufactures that do the same.
Are there any accessories we should ensure we get? Also we are trying to keep this as chemical free as possible to current health issues. What is expected for monthly increase in Electric.
Thanks again very much,
TAC
hi,
we just purchased a st. andrew and love it. It is a 2010 model with the saltwater system. I don't know anything about the Master Spa(never heard of it or seen it) other than on the forums. so it must be something available in the US?
The jets are awesome and for my husband and I we don't usually turn on the air because it will push us out of our seats.
Hope this helps a bit. :)
We got our St. Andrew for $9200 + taxes that included everything, delivery, steps, cover and lifter.
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hi tired and confused,
We are from Canada so ours was purchased up here. We went with the saltwater system because it doesn't use the chlorine as we have young children and we don't like the smell of chlorine. the dealer we bought it from up here had the salt system and in another room had a chlorine system running wow what a difference. we walked to the side of the store with the chlorine and you could smell it right away vs. the salt system(bromine) had very little to no smell. We also liked the salt system because you don't have to change your water as often, they told us up to a year, vs. chlorine every 3 mths just because of the build-up(I know thats the wrong term but hopefully you get the idea) so right there you save on some water cost and of course the heating of the tub. Now keep in mind we just got our tub less than a week ago, not sure what the electrical cost will be.
I hope that helps.
like i said we didn't really see any master spas up here so I don't know what they offer. We were trying to decide between the st andrew and the beachcomber(but they seemed to have a lot of extra costs on top of the cost of the tub)
Good Luck
and keep us posted.
:)
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NikiR,
Hi again,
Yes we know all about that smell, my wife is very sensitive. It will have to be saltwater system for us, I don't know how much more this system costs or it is just what we add in in place of chemicals? Did the delivery people do your electrical or did you have that in place.
thanks,
TAC
hi tired and confused,
We are from Canada so ours was purchased up here. We went with the saltwater system because it doesn't use the chlorine as we have young children and we don't like the smell of chlorine. the dealer we bought it from up here had the salt system and in another room had a chlorine system running wow what a difference. we walked to the side of the store with the chlorine and you could smell it right away vs. the salt system(bromine) had very little to no smell. We also liked the salt system because you don't have to change your water as often, they told us up to a year, vs. chlorine every 3 mths just because of the build-up(I know thats the wrong term but hopefully you get the idea) so right there you save on some water cost and of course the heating of the tub. Now keep in mind we just got our tub less than a week ago, not sure what the electrical cost will be.
I hope that helps.
like i said we didn't really see any master spas up here so I don't know what they offer. We were trying to decide between the st andrew and the beachcomber(but they seemed to have a lot of extra costs on top of the cost of the tub)
Good Luck
and keep us posted.
:)
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We had an electrician come in that we knew, but I believe our dealer had some names if we needed someone. I know the spa we bought had the saltwater system in it, I'm not sure what the cost difference is. That was one of the big reasons we went with the clearwater. I don't believe you can just do bromine,etc on a tub that does not have the system in it. But maybe someone who knows more about spas could answer that question for you(ie a dealer or salesperson on here). I know that some of the tubs we looked at had the salt system that could be added or ordered so I'm sure there is a cost just not sure how much.
That like I said was one big selling feature for us that clearwater already had it in, we didn't have to order or have it added after the fact(ie the manufacter put it in while it was being built) I think that would mean less chance of failure. but I'm no expert.
But beware some of the clearwaters in the showroom we were looking at did not have that salt system in it.
The lounger is great, I'm on the short side so the seat with the neck massager doesn't work for me. but the ladies seat is awesome. :)
our model is a little different than this years, we have 2 cool down seats which works wonderful for the kids and our filters and water fall are on the corner not the middle like this years model. and i believe ours has 3 pumps and a circ pump.
they just changed a few things this year I guess. we love last years design better, personally
hope this helps : )
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Nikir,
I just found out the Saltwater System is a "System" (of course, lol) and got the price to add that...We do very much appreciate your insight.
Thanks.
TAC
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lsx700 is a automotive steel frame....
Automotive steel frame...LOLOL spinning so fast I am getting dizzy. Ever see what happens to steel when it is in a wet environment? Can you say rust and deterioration. Loose rivets and screws rattling thin tin, busted spot welds. Wood frames last longer than the tub ever will. Why tout steel as a good thing?
Never could figure this one out. I would think steel would work fine for a frame but have not one single advantage over treated wood. Now if we were talking an full ABS frame!
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Nikir,
I just found out the Saltwater System is a "System" (of course, lol) and got the price to add that...We do very much appreciate your insight.
Thanks.
TAC
Not a problem :)
We will try and post a pic maybe
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TiredandConfused
There are lots off accessories you get get for a spa, umbrellas, spacaddy table towel bars, surrounds, different steps, you name it ....as for the salt system there is an upfront cost, yes you can go longer between drain and fills, also remember you will have to check for more parameters than just ph,alk calcium, you will check for salt content, chlorine or bromine, tds, and phosphates,,,some people love em that we sold some hate em.. i am with the latar part ,,,,But which way you go enjoy the spa that is why you are buying for...
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lsx700 is a automotive steel frame....
Automotive steel frame...LOLOL spinning so fast I am getting dizzy. Ever see what happens to steel when it is in a wet environment? Can you say rust and deterioration. Loose rivets and screws rattling thin tin, busted spot welds. Wood frames last longer than the tub ever will. Why tout steel as a good thing?
Never could figure this one out. I would think steel would work fine for a frame but have not one single advantage over treated wood. Now if we were talking an full ABS frame!
New To The Forum but I've been around all brands of spas a long time. The steel frame is really not that bad of a thing. i know at least with master spas they powder coat it, but what makes it work well is the polymer skirting that they use with it.
wood has its pros and cons, but what i've seen the most of with wood frames, is termite problems. but this may be a 1 out of 40 thing depending on the area you live in.
I own a master myself and i am happy with it. the company a bought from is a well established dealer in pittsburgh and have carried them a long time.