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Title: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Chas on October 24, 2008, 02:08:13 am
I was not soaking in my tub when this happened, but I glanced out on my lawn as I was shutting off lights and going to bed this evening, and I saw my lawn signs had been trashed. I looked up and down my street and the opposing signs are not touched. I will drive around tomorrow to see if other property was violated in this was as well, and I fully plan on seeing more of the same.

I'm not going to mention what party or subject the signs represented, but I will have them replaced tomorrow and I guess I'll take them in at night.

Is it me, or is this election bringing out the childish, divisive side of just about all of us? I don't know if it is because people are more passionate about the side they have chosen, or if the media is whipping us to a frenzy by hammering on the attack rhetoric in the campaign, but something is very different about this whole election process.

Again I ask - is it me?

 8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: wmccall on October 24, 2008, 06:45:27 am
No its not you.  In our most affluent suburb, both parties signs are dissapearing.  In a less affluent neighborhood here a persons signs were laid up against the house and set fire to.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Bonibelle on October 24, 2008, 07:44:42 am
I got a call from a friend of mine..the committee woman for our district who asked about putting signs on my lawn. I said NO..I know who I am voting for and I doubt that signs on my lawn would influence anyone. It only serves as a target for someone who wants to start something.  This is nuts!!! And the day after the election we are all supposed to forget our differences (most that never existed before this election) and be friends and work together...The media controls this country and everything we do. It is  the biggest influence on our kids..more than parents..and it is ruining our country >:(
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Chas on October 24, 2008, 07:45:52 am
One of my neighbors built a sign out of thick plywood and two-by-fours. He dug the posts into his lawn, and just painted his candidate's name in large letters. Very basic, ugly and I didn't understand why he did it - until now.

I don't know how much of this gets into the news or into the general thinking of voters, but if we start using this low-level terror approach to the process of electing people and passing amendments or measures, we are not doing what I would call 'advancing' as a civilization.



 8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: wmccall on October 24, 2008, 09:37:14 am
One of my neighbors put a 10ft x6ft banner on his garage and put spotlights in his yard pointed at it.  I can honesty say that regardless of which candidate it was, if I could see it from my hot tub, it wouldn't be there now.  Don't mess with my relaxing soak or whats left of my dark sky.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: East_TX_Spa on October 24, 2008, 10:47:22 am
If someone trespasses on your property at night in Texas, you can legally shoot them if you suspect that they are engaged in thievery.

None of the signs around here have been touched thus far.

Term
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Chas on October 24, 2008, 10:51:31 am
I may bring my Jeep home and park it on the lawn. It's raised a bit, has big 'manly' tires on it, and an "NRA" sticker on the back. Might help?


 8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Spatech_tuo on October 24, 2008, 11:17:59 am
They talked about this on the news. One house kept getting their sign removed so they nailed it up in the tree.

Even when someone TOTALLY disagrees with another its amazing that people can't still respect the other persons right to think how they want.

We have become far too polarized as a society.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: hottubdan on October 24, 2008, 11:31:22 am
I can remember this kind of stuff for many election cycles.  There are always debates about negative ads, which tend to generate this type of behavior.

I have had city council candidate signs stolen from my house.

We are polarized.  

Look at the way spas are (or are not) sold; negative selling.  
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Bonibelle on October 24, 2008, 11:50:57 am
This is a cool tradition that they still celebrate in Georgetown Delaware (AKA Slower Lower Delaware).
I can remember going to many REturns Day celebrations and enjoying the parade and ox roast (don't remember oysters but probably because I don't like them!). I actually clearly remember Joe Biden's first election and  if I looked, I might have pictures of his first Return Day ride.  I think we need a National Returns Day...it might mellow the negativity that these looooong campaigns generate :)

From Wikipedia

Return Day
Every two years, Georgetown hosts an unusual event known as "Return day", a half-day-long parade and festival two days after Election Day. Stemming from the colonial days in which the public would congregate in Georgetown two days after the election to hear the results (because it would take that long to deliver the results to the courthouse by horseback), the winners of that year's political races parade around The Circle in carriages with the losers and the chairs of the county's political parties ceremonially "bury the hatchet" in a tub of sand. The afternoon of Return Day is a holiday for county and state workers in Sussex County, and the event is marked by a traditional oyster feast, much revelry, and, of course, the beginning of the next round of campaigns. Many in Delaware feel that the state's traditionally chummy and staid political climate is due in large part to the Return Day tradition
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Chas on October 24, 2008, 04:10:22 pm
I'm for that. Far too many hatchets go unburied these days. It is more like the day after the election, the losing side begins it's plotting and planning to get back into office the next election.



 8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: soak-king on October 24, 2008, 04:22:01 pm
Well, since we are off topic anyway, What do you guys think about that crazy woman who claimed she was attacked by a big black guy who carved a "B" into her face..........Only to admit she made it all up when she couldn't  keep her story straight  ;D ;D :o >:(
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Swell-Tub on October 24, 2008, 05:02:26 pm
I solved the problem and put a Palin/Obama bumper sticker on my truck.  ;D
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: cedar tub on October 24, 2008, 05:33:20 pm
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I solved the problem and put a Palin/Obama bumper sticker on my truck.  ;D


You don't know close you are with your Palin Obama sticker.  No matter what side you are on, this Howard Stearn piece sums it all up.  Maybe you should be required to take a test before you are allowed to vote  :-?  I at least know who the VP candidates are for each man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAiarOhC2U
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: stuart on October 24, 2008, 05:53:46 pm
Well,

I haven't torn up any signs yet but I'm considering taking a baseball bat to the political telemarketers......
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Chas on October 24, 2008, 07:45:32 pm
I have just closed out our land line at home. Well, we are keeping the one with the fax machine and DSL on it, but we are dropping it to 'measured service' for about $6 per month. We haven't gotten anything except sales calls/political telemarketers on our home line for the past year or so, and about six months ago we just stopped answering it if it rings, and I took the answering machine off at that time as well.

Amazing how nice it is not to have to deal with those time-wasters now!

 8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: spaman-- on October 24, 2008, 08:45:57 pm
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I have just closed out our land line at home. Well, we are keeping the one with the fax machine and DSL on it, but we are dropping it to 'measured service' for about $6 per month. We haven't gotten anything except sales calls/political telemarketers on our home line for the past year or so, and about six months ago we just stopped answering it if it rings, and I took the answering machine off at that time as well.

Amazing how nice it is not to have to deal with those time-wasters now!

 8-)


It is about to get worse, it is now legal to for solicitors to call you cell phone.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Vanguard on October 24, 2008, 09:36:33 pm
We had an issue in a Houston suburb where someone had one of those Calvin & Hobbes bumper stickers where Calvin is, well, relieving himself, on one of the presidential candidates name.

A woman followed the couple home while yelling at them on the road, then blocked them in their driveway.  She yelled at them that they were racist and told them she'd send someone later to take care of them.  All this while still blocking them in their driveway.

The police were called and she was arrested on charges of making terroristic threats.

Really, really nice.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Chas on October 25, 2008, 02:11:44 am
If they had tried to leave, and she prevented them, they could have added kidnapping to the list of charges.


 8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Bonibelle on October 25, 2008, 07:53:10 am
Can't you guys register on the No call list? I occasionally get a call to participate in a poll, but other than that I only get sales calls from things I have requested information for. The no call list also applies to cell numbers. So far I have only received cell text messages asking me to buy a game...or something like that from Verizon.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Chas on October 25, 2008, 09:33:03 am
I'm with Bonnibelle on that - one of my employees sat and listed all or our phone numbers on the DNC list. It was a slow day, so he did all of his, ours, the numbers for the store, and three customers who saw what he was doing as they came in for chemicals!

It has cut way down on the sales and marketing calls, but at the store we still get tons of calls where there is nobody there.

Ironically, considering the topic of this thread, we don't get any political calls.

 8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Bonibelle on October 25, 2008, 09:42:50 am
OK, I do get political calls, but they are either from "my party" or from representatives whom I have given permission to call me. I particularly like the telephone townhall meetings that are available from two of our local representatives. I put the phone on speaker and listen to comments and questons and I don't have to leave my house to know what's going on in the state level government. So I appreciate those calls. ;)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: wmccall on October 25, 2008, 10:34:32 am
I've spend the last two evenings at my sister in laws house, lots of calls coming and going trying to get funeral and other arrangements done, the non-stop political calls have really been obnoxious.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Hillbilly Hot Tub on October 25, 2008, 12:00:35 pm
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Well, since we are off topic anyway, What do you guys think about that crazy woman who claimed she was attacked by a big black guy who carved a "B" into her face..........Only to admit she made it all up when she couldn't  keep her story straight  ;D ;D :o >:(

Where did you hear she made it up? It was on the news this morning with her picture of what happened to her. i dont think she gave herself the black eyes, swollen face and the B scratched into her face and there was no mention this morning that she made it up.

I don't understand people and their fighting. Having a choice is what this country is all about. If we start physically forcing our views on people, then its not America.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Swell-Tub on October 25, 2008, 02:15:08 pm
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Where did you hear she made it up? It was on the news this morning with her picture of what happened to her. i dont think she gave herself the black eyes, swollen face and the B scratched into her face and there was no mention this morning that she made it up.

I don't understand people and their fighting. Having a choice is what this country is all about. If we start physically forcing our views on people, then its not America.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: drewstar on October 27, 2008, 10:10:17 am
If you had a "McCain" lawn sign and it was trashed, then  I have to say "Yes, this election is getting violent and nasty. Without a doubt those obama supporters would resort to property damage in a heartbeat."

However, if it was an "Obama" sign that was trashed, then that's a pitty, but I can assure you no McCain supporter would ever damage another's property. It was probaly some ill behaved offspring of local liberals out causing mischief.  ;)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: wmccall on October 27, 2008, 12:18:14 pm
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.  ;)


Because of the Wink smiley, I'll let this one stand  8-)

No partisan messages please.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Zep on October 27, 2008, 04:53:47 pm
I have heard of McCain/Palin yard signs being "stolen" here in Dallas.

My McCain/Palin bumper sticker on the back window of my
SUV has thus far been left alone. A girl I work with had her
McCain/Palin sticker peeled off while she was in Walmart in
a Dallas suburb.

I have a good friend in Portland, Oregon and she says if she put a
McCain/Palin yard sign in her front yard it would probably be gone in
hours and for sure it would never make it more than a day or two.

No matter who wins this election I predict the halfwits will
riot. If Obama loses they'll riot and if Obama wins they'll
riot just like when sports teams win and the home town of
the winner usually has a riot....turning over cars, ect...

My Christmas Nativity scene has been vandalized twice,
but was untouched last year. I have added some additional
security features and hope my good luck continues or I may
have to move the Nativity Scene up on my roof where the
jackasses can't get to it....but that would mean lots more work.  
:'(

Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Chas on October 27, 2008, 05:19:05 pm
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31NC1X108QL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

I may get one of these if the problem continues. So far, I take the sign in at night, put it out in the morning and no more problems. In my case, the sign that got trashed was for an amendment, not the presidential campaign. They did kick my presidential sign over, but didn't slice it to ribbons like the other.

 8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: hottubdan on October 27, 2008, 05:36:09 pm
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I have heard of McCain/Palin yard signs being "stolen" here in Dallas.



No matter who wins this election I predict the halfwits will
riot. If Obama loses they'll riot and if Obama wins they'll
riot just like when sports teams win and the home town of
the winner usually has a riot....turning over cars, ect...





I seriously doubt that.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Bonibelle on October 27, 2008, 06:42:12 pm
That's what I am talking about Chas....I have two of them (thanks to Drew) and believe me they really work....on animals AND people.
I invited neighbors up to see my newly renovated pond this summer. They came when no one was home. I keep the scarecrow on to keep Herons from feasting on my fish. Well they walked up totally unsuspecting and got hosed off!!
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Chad on October 28, 2008, 12:51:08 am
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McCain/Palin bumper sticker
I saw one the other day that read Keep Obama Alive, Vote for McCain
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Bonibelle on October 28, 2008, 08:03:12 am
that's pretty sad   :( but probably true.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Zep on October 28, 2008, 08:33:50 am
i think i heard yesterday they uncovered a plot to assassinate obama

oh my.....if that ever happened the poop would really hit the fan



Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: wmccall on October 28, 2008, 06:20:33 pm
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i think i heard yesterday they uncovered a plot to assassinate obama

oh my.....if that ever happened the poop would really hit the fan





I wouldn't be safe in my neighborhood if it did happen.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Zep on October 28, 2008, 08:55:37 pm
"I wouldn't be safe in my neighborhood if it did happen"

wmccall.....well lets hope it never happens.....

but if it does you can come to Texas and stay awhile till the civil unrest subsided,

but all i can offer is an ole cal spa, some fine wine, and a TV that only has one channel.....FOX News!  ;)

we'd be safe.....i gots one of these and a 1000 rounds

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/ItsZep/Politics/mak90_med-1.jpg)

(http://www.charleyellis.com/tex-flag1.gif)


Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Swell-Tub on October 28, 2008, 11:45:19 pm
I'm thinking that viewing the POD's on the other forum would be more beneficial than talking politics. It appears this election is over and nothing anyone says is going to change it. We too watch Fox news but the landside is coming. I would like to invite Sarah Palin to come over and sit in my hot tub however. She can ever play with my guns.....

Scott  8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: drewstar on October 29, 2008, 08:31:01 am
Maybe  I am in denial, but  I just can't belive the polls and accept that this is going to be a landslide. I honestly do belive that there is a huge bias in the media, and that news, polls, and stories are significantly shifted towards one canidate. I dont' belive the american voters are that naive to be so swayed by the media.... :-[


 
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: NE-Phil on October 29, 2008, 09:23:18 am
Speaking of violence, here's a bit of over reaction somewhere in Ohio.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1028081mccain1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1028081mccain1.html)

Bill, I hope its not too close to your area!

Phil
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Bonibelle on October 29, 2008, 09:29:48 am
Don't believe anything...just get out and vote...it is so important to discount all of the poll numbers and vote. I think some people may say one thing, but when faced with that choice behind a voting machine, they may do another.

It's amazing all the negative energy that goes into elections that are supposed to ultimately help our country. why isn't that same amount of energy funneled into the congress and senate when things need to be done? Maybe if we were as pepped up a few years ago, they would have realized what was going on with our financial situation and prevented the mess we are in now.

 Way too much money is spent on political campaigns. All of the money that was spent in this election could have bailed out several banks (or paid bonuses to the guys who handed us this mess) ;D ;D Just goes to show as Americans we really DON'T know how to spend our money wisely! And our media ...the doom and gloom show that it is, should be put on mute...they cause more problems than they solve.

I gave my political donation to the Bird Rescue...much better use of my hard earned money ;)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: drewstar on October 29, 2008, 09:36:35 am
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 Way too much money is spent on political campaigns.

Both canidates  agreed to abide by campaigne fiance reform and only accept public money, but right out of the box, one canidate broke his word  (and no one seems to care  :-? )   and now can outspend the other 4:1

Enjoy your World Series pre show infomercial.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Bonibelle on October 29, 2008, 10:21:52 am
MUTE...I have a MUTE button...it's the same one I have been using for months now... :) ;)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Swell-Tub on October 29, 2008, 10:22:46 am
As I have stated earlier I served 3 terms (12 years) as a City Councilman. I ran for Mayor twice and lost by 172 votes the second time. So every vote counts. With that said the President does very little to effect the financial scene. Congress and the Senate control the checkbook. In city government the council approves all new laws and expenditures. The Mayor carries out the wishes of the council. Heck the Mayor doesn't even have a vote on the matters.

I'm no Bush fan but the President didn't cause this financial meltdown. I would like both candidates to speak what they are going to do to turn things around and quit using the failed Bush economic plan of 8 years as an excuse why we should elect them. Talk about kicking a guy while he is down. I wish they would leave the past president out of this. He is not the one to blame.....

Hope I did not offend anyone.
Scott  8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Bonibelle on October 29, 2008, 10:32:18 am
If the people really knew what was going on..as you say Swell, they would realize how much of the political advertising is an insult to their intelligence!!.. :o

How any times do people vote for a candidate and believe passionately  in what they are saying..but that is the end. Do they purpose to follow up and see if that candidate walks the walk..or is just talking to get elected? So a lot of this is OUR faults for not paying enough attention. Have we just grown to depend on the stinkin' media too much?
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Swell-Tub on October 29, 2008, 09:52:05 pm
Citizens get the government they deserve.....

Scott  8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: wmccall on October 29, 2008, 10:05:07 pm
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Speaking of violence, here's a bit of over reaction somewhere in Ohio.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1028081mccain1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1028081mccain1.html)

Bill, I hope its not too close to your area!

Phil
150 miles NE of me. Had a similar incident here in Columbus, not election related. Kids harrasing a home owner who was one card short of a full deck.
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Swell-Tub on October 29, 2008, 10:54:04 pm
I'm glad they moved this thread over to the general area. Now I can view POD's in between posts. So tonight we get a 4 million dollar 30 minute infomercial. Think of the hot tubs you could buy with that kind of money....

Scott  8-)
Title: Re: OT - violence in this political race?
Post by: Zep on October 30, 2008, 05:57:16 am
i really think Hot Spring should "spread the wealth around" and give lots
of their hard earned money to spa makers that are not as successful.

after-all doesn't MasterSpas "have a right to" some of Hot Spring's money
and success?

 ;)