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Boni,
Whats up with your Eagles signing Mike Vick :P. I know the animal lover in you must be ready to switch teams
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 13, 2009 8:32 PM ET
The speculation is over.
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Thursday night on air that Michael Vick has signed a two-year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles.
To paraphrase the fearless leader of PFT: Wow.
The deal was first reported, as best we can tell, by Dan Sileo of WDAE in Tampa. Buzz had been building about a possible deal with the Eagles for about an hour all over the internet before Mort came on the hour.
The destination is surprising on a number of levels.
First, there were multiple media reports that the Eagles weren't interested, including one by Mort himself. Our own Tom Curran had an Eagles source tell him as recently as Tuesday that the team wasn't interested in Vick.
But as Mr. Florio pointed out numerous times, Philadelphia's statements and whispers before the Vick signing are the least of their concerns now.
They have a fanbase and a certain sensitive starting quarterback to address
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Wow .. thought you were kidding me. :o..To be honest, I am done with the Eagles for many reasons but mostly for how they treated Brian Dawkins..So hope the team goes to the dogs..I won't be watching the Eagles..Maybe Vick can mentor to Andy's kids and they can find more facinating illegal things besides drugs to get into...Wow that was nasty...I just can't get over how these low life jerks always seem to come out on top with pockets full of cash and have kids actually look up to them... >:(..Lookin for a new team...I'm thinkin' Baltimore ;D
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vick should have went to the Bengals, they could have one fan section just for all the parole officers.
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What Vick did was despicable BUT he served his time. I actually don't even see the justice of suspending him for the first few games this year (unless it’s for the reason that he lied to the commissioner) because IMO he already in essence served a 2 yr suspension when he was in jail.
It’s not like a pedophile where you can say they are too big of a risk to reoffend and everyone has a legit reason to not want them in their community. The man served his time (rightfully of course) and should be allowed back into society with a chance to begin his life again and his profession. I just don't understand the logic of the double jeopardy.
BTW, I currently have 4 dogs, 2 cats, a lizard and have owned almost every domesticated animal around at one time or another (I'll have to go home to see what others critters have shown up without me knowing in the last couple days). I grew up on a farm and from that have a long history of not being able to harm anything (mostly due to the fact my forced job as a kid was to help slaughter the farm animals, kind of my own Silence of the Lambs story) and would want to strangle someone for doing what he did. I was glad to see him get caught for what is a grossly inhumane act but think he has done his time.
I applaud the Eagles for not cowering to people who think Vick should be exiled to Mars.
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I largely agree with you S2. I hope he keeps his nose clean, his possey empty, and donates 10% of his salary to the ASPCA.
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I applaud the Eagles for not cowering to people who think Vick should be exiled to Mars.
Spatech,
The man led and funded a organised crime ring.
Professional athletes become role models for children all over the world whether they like it or deserve it. What message did the NFL send to the kids that follow their game.
There is no way he should be allowed to play a single down in the NFL ever again. Playing a professional sport is a privilege and in my opinion Mike Vick should be forever stripped of that privilege
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Spatech,
The man led and funded a organised crime ring.
Professional athletes become role models for children all over the world whether they like it or deserve it. What message did the NFL send to the kids that follow their game.
There is no way he should be allowed to play a single down in the NFL ever again. Playing a professional sport is a privilege and in my opinion Mike Vick should be forever stripped of that privilege
..and he was justly punished for by a US court and served his time.
We will have to totally disagree on this one.
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I didn't like Vick even before his illegal activity was uncovered. He was a cocky jerk..and to see him pander to the media with a well rehearsed sob story about how he is reformed..oh well..it's almost funny!! Yeah people can change, and everyone deserves a second chance, but these guys are supposed to be role models...so have a second chance doing something else (like cleaning kennels)!
So what next..will the Browns be waiting for Donte to do his time???..or maybe the EAgles will take him back..? Guess he will do his 18 months and return to his multi million dollar job..and claim to support MADD??? >:(
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..and he was justly punished for by a US court and served his time.
We will have to totally disagree on this one.
I understand your point, believe me I do. If he was returning to a job building houses or working on the line at GM then I would OK, good for him, he deserves a second chance, but. This is the NFL, the number one spectator sport in North America, its players are role models for kids.
Mike Vick had his chance and he blew it, all he had to do was to fly on the straight and narrow for the 10 years he was in the NFL and then he would never have to work another day in his life. He choose different
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I understand your point, believe me I do. If he was returning to a job building houses or working on the line at GM then I would OK, good for him, he deserves a second chance, but. This is the NFL, the number one spectator sport in North America, its players are role models for kids.
Mike Vick had his chance and he blew it, all he had to do was to fly on the straight and narrow for the 10 years he was in the NFL and then he would never have to work another day in his life. He choose different
and I understand what you're saying but I totally disagree with it. To each his own.
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Yeah Spatech...he isnt' playing on your team...er..(ex team).
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Yeah Spatech...he isnt' playing on your team...er..(ex team).
It wouldn't bother me if he was on my team actually since he did his time. I'll still root for Philly as one of my secondary teams since they have McNabb, a Syracuse alum.
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It wouldn't bother me if he was on my team actually since he did his time.
Spatech
I respect your opinion but I do have to ask if you would be OK if your son came home wearing a Vick jersey?
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I'm with you Spatech, however, I am not going to get involved in this verbal 'tennis match'. Like someone said, 'we'll agree to disagree'.
The terms fan and role model seemed to have morphed into the same. When I was a kid near Chicago, a tremendous White Sox fan, especially Nellie Fox. He was a very hard player, very consistant and from what I recall an excellent team mate....I was a fan. However, you rarely saw him without a huge wad of tobacco in his cheek. That wasn't the role I wanted to follow. He wasn't my role model.
This can go for Vick also: hate the man for what he did to those dogs. Don't hate the very talented player.
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Spatech
I respect your opinion but I do have to ask if you would be OK if your son came home wearing a Vick jersey?
I never said I was part of his fan club, I just am against double jeopardy.
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From the don't really give an arjuna point of view, I'm thinking if he didn't have a career in the NFL he would be more likely to return to a less than honerable activity. At least now he will be in the spotlight like a 19 year old Hollywood starlette with a multiple DUI history.
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Just heard the Eagles are considering hiring OJ Simpson as some sort of team consultant ... :o
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As a long-time Eagles fan and season-ticket holder, I have to add my two cents to the discussion.
I never liked Michael Vick as a player. Sure he was a highlight film on the field, but he wasn't that good of a QB. And from all reports, he was a diva in the locker room - arrived late and left early. Not exactly the type of player you want to lead your football team. Add in his inhumane behavior, and you have the most despised player in the league. Perhaps of all time. Definitely not someone you could root for, nor someone you would want representing your team.
So when I heard the Eagles signed him, I was shocked. They have always tried to strike a balance between talent and character. No PacMan Jones types wearing Eagles green, thank you. So the Vick signing was totally unexpected. As a matter of fact, I would have ranked the Eagles second only beind the Falcons in order of teams who would want nothing to do with him.
If anyone heard the Eagles press conference afterwards, they basically are calling it not only a football decision, but also a social decision. They believe that Michael Vick can redeem himself by helping more animals than he hurt, and by influencing kids actions towards animals. The Humane Society has also formed some type of partnership with Vick for that very reason.
That all remains to be seen. But that doesn't mean I like it. It is going to be very difficult to root for someone I don't particularly care for. Barring a Donovan McNabb injury, I don't expect Vick to even play much this season. However, I am an Eagles fan and will continue to root for my team and attend their games.
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I read in yesterdays USATODAY that 20 of the 22 dogs siezed from the fighting compound are available for or have been adopted. My concerns were for the two not adoptable, it turns out they were 'champion' fighters and even though they have been rehabed the courts won't let them be adopted.
Good for the dogs. :)
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Dax, I deleted my assessment of this, but you touch on exactly what I said. The Eagles are going to help redeem Vick. I still believe it is Andy Reed's failings with his own kids that have driven this whole thing. I don't care if Vick never sets foot on the field, anything Eagles...tickets, shirts etc. is supporting their decision to pay him to wear that jersey. So I won't support that.
My husband, like you, is a lifetime fan and will stick by them no matter. For me, they are only an entertainment and I will be equally entertained if they lose every game :) :-\ As fans we get so excited, but we need to remember, they are getting paid whether they win or lose and we probably get more upset than any of the players.
Like you said (and I said too) Vick is a cocky jerk that has simply learned the right lines to say. I can remember trash talk banter back and forth between him and McNabb, his new best friend, a couple of years ago. I am glad that the humane society has found a way to use him..Maybe if he donates half of his salary to homeless pets, I might think he is sincere. But we all know this is just for show and who wouldn't recite the lines for millions.
And besides all of that...I am still angry over Dawk. Character and fan appeal in a quality player who truly emulates what a sports hero should be about was ditched by the Eagles... >:( >:( And don't say it was because he was old. The experience and positive attitude that he brought to the team (especially now with Jim Johnson gone) was invaluable. ;)
AS far as the dogs...the neighbor that I don't get along with had a visit from his daughter..who happens to have a Pit Bull. The dog got loose and came after my 12 year old lab mix. My dog is pretty crippled up, but wouldnt' back down to his growls. I literally threw myself over her to protect her from him. I pulled her into the house and went back out to see my goofy neighbor chasing the Pit Bull all over my yard with a piece of baccon!! It ran on to my deck and I called it to me. It was friendly and lovable. So probably my panic reaction was the reason that it growled and went after my dog. Pit Bulls are misunderstood but definately can be dangerous in the wrong hands. I don't think I could ever put the trust in a pit bull that I have in my dog.... :-\
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Hi, Boni,
I won't pretend to know whether Vick is saying all the right things because he believes it or because he just wants some more NFL fame, glory, and cash. That will be determined as the his life plays out. I don't have a problem with him being reinstated to play in the NFL again. I just wish it wasn't on the Eagles. Maybe his actions on/off the field will convince me otherwise.
As for Dawk, he was one of the greatest Eagles players ever. Unfortunately, the NFL is a business and the team determined that he wasn't worth the money that he was asking for. I'm kinda surprised another team paid him so much. He has lost a couple steps, but could still be effective in certain situations. I wish there was a happy medium and the two sides could have worked somethhing out, but again, it's business. He will definitely be missed. I do know that when Denver visits the Linc in December, Dawk will get one hell of a standing ovation.
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Wow .. thought you were kidding me. :o..To be honest, I am done with the Eagles for many reasons but mostly for how they treated Brian Dawkins..So hope the team goes to the dogs..I won't be watching the Eagles..Maybe Vick can mentor to Andy's kids and they can find more facinating illegal things besides drugs to get into...Wow that was nasty...I just can't get over how these low life jerks always seem to come out on top with pockets full of cash and have kids actually look up to them... >:(..Lookin for a new team...I'm thinkin' Baltimore ;D
Boni, Bonil,
Sorry this is late and I know I haven't been around the forum much but the Steeler Nation would welcome you with open arms! ;D
Please don't become a Baltimoron fan :'(
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Wow...where have you been? You haven't visited us forever!! Are you still enjoying your tub?... Time for a forum reunion... ;D ;D ;D
I have to confess to sneeking a peak at the Eagles game the other day..And I texted my son because ironically, I packed his Garcia Eagle shirt and he took it to college. I don't even know where it came from..it's been so long since he wore it last. Maybe it was an omen!!!..so I guess if Garcia plays, I may watch...No worries, I won't be a Baltimore fan...I love it..Baltimorons..I will have to share that with my cousins who are season ticket holders.
I am so happy that you posted...stick around!!!Mmm..Steelers actually sound like a pretty good choice..and they are still in PA!!
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Well the Eagles were major disappointment, if you were in fact still an Eagles fan (and of course, that is NOT me anymore :-\)...I think it is the Quarterback Jinx...this season will be full of woeful performances by the cursed Eagles Quarterbacks ..just my gut feeling (actually my dog's prediction, but I believe every word she woofs) ;D ;D
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Hi, Boni! Yes, I wasted a gorgeous day yesterday going to the Linc and watcing that game. >:( But in all fairness to the Eagles QBs, it wasn't really on Kevin Kolb, who made his first start. The special teams killed them with turnovers and penalties that kept them starting drives around the 10 while the Saints started drives on the 40 or in Eagles territory. And the defense didn't help much either.
The game was 17-13 at the half. Figured it was looking good being that the Eagles were getting the ball to start the 3rd quarter. But they fumbled the kickoff and the Saints scored. Then an interception on the next possession, and the Saints scored again. Four minutes into the second half, and it's 31-13 and the game is basically over. It snowballed from there.
BTW, if/when you do pick another team, just don't pick the Cowboys! ;D
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No worries,....NEVER WILL I PICK THE COWBOYS :o..Sorry you wasted a beautiful day...I thought about you too because that was probably one of the most perfect days for a football game and I know you have season tickets. I really only looked at the score a couple of times. My husband and son sat down to watch, but soon abandoned the TV for some outdoor activies. Somehow I can't get into football this year at all since I really don't have a team anymore... :-\
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No worries,....NEVER WILL I PICK THE COWBOYS :o..Sorry you wasted a beautiful day...I thought about you too because that was probably one of the most perfect days for a football game and I know you have season tickets. I really only looked at the score a couple of times. My husband and son sat down to watch, but soon abandoned the TV for some outdoor activies. Somehow I can't get into football this year at all since I really don't have a team anymore... :-\
Growing up a Redskin fan in central NY I was the rare guy who was not a fan of the Giants, Jets or the default bandwagon choice Dallas (my brother's fav team who I hated with a passion which made it great when they played).
With the Redskins in their mediocre period (also known as the Snyder era) you'd think Jerry would have been smart enough to play that heated rivalry and have a good shot for a win in the inaugural game at Jerry Jones Mausoleum. Instead Dallas faced a good Giant team and through their own ineptitude I was thoroughly entertained as the Cowboys tanked (and I even had a wager on the G-men to boot lol).
Jerry's heart must have sank on that game winning field goal but you couldn't tell when the camera focused on him just after that moment because his plastic surgery makes frowning impossible.
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Didn't see the end of that game, but glad ANYONE but the Cowboys won...
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Hi, Boni,
I won't pretend to know whether Vick is saying all the right things because he believes it or because he just wants some more NFL fame, glory, and cash. That will be determined as the his life plays out. I don't have a problem with him being reinstated to play in the NFL again. I just wish it wasn't on the Eagles. Maybe his actions on/off the field will convince me otherwise.
As for Dawk, he was one of the greatest Eagles players ever. Unfortunately, the NFL is a business and the team determined that he wasn't worth the money that he was asking for. I'm kinda surprised another team paid him so much. He has lost a couple steps, but could still be effective in certain situations. I wish there was a happy medium and the two sides could have worked somethhing out, but again, it's business. He will definitely be missed. I do know that when Denver visits the Linc in December, Dawk will get one hell of a standing ovation.
While not a Vick fan I believe he has paid his dues for his crimes. Also would not have a huge problem if he was playing for my team (NYG) as he has a lot of talent if properlycoached. I do find it a little bit ironic that you and Boni love Dawkins so much since he was very well known as one of the biggest cheap shot artists in the game today. Remember the NFL is a business and Mr Dawkins has lost a step or two and in the NFC East you better be getting better or you will be left behind.
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Sorry Arm, I got a bit fired up this morning...I really do like Brian Dawkins and seriously this excerpt from a Giant's blog says it all...
"If you’re not allegedly dirty, you simply aren’t a good safety. It’s that easy. Everyone from Ronnie Lott, to Ed Reed to Troy Polamalu (Rich, you’ll be happy to know that Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu may be the only other human beings with worse facial hair then you) at one time or another, have been accused of being dirty. Bottom line a safeties job is to ensure that even if you catch the ball, you may never want to do it again, and if that means taking your head off in order to ensure this, then so be it."
"Secondly lets get into stats, which even ZZ top can’t argue with. Dawkins is nowhere near the most penalized safety in the league. In fact he has less violations then 9 other safeties in the NFL this year. It’s science rich, cry all you want, hate all you want, fact is Dawkins is nasty and at times on the edge of dirty, but that only makes him great. Quit whining, shave your molester beard, and just hope that Jacobs buries him into the turf like he did Leron Landry…your up Cat Stevens or is it Gandolf or is it Papa Smurf or is it Chuck Norris or is it Fidel Castro or is it…no, no you get it ."
;D ;D And Phillip Garrido did his time too... ;)
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While a Brown's fan, possibly soon to be ex-Brown's fan, I might actually get some yard work or more golf done this year.
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Jerry's heart must have sank on that game winning field goal but you couldn't tell when the camera focused on him just after that moment because his plastic surgery makes frowning impossible.
I don't recall them showing Jerry after the game-winning FG. But I do recall them showing him while he was digging for gold up his nose. ;D
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I don't recall them showing Jerry after the game-winning FG. But I do recall them showing him while he was digging for gold up his nose. ;D
They showed that on Leno. They made it look like he was on the overhead screens digging for gold. Funny.
They did indeed show Jerry watching teh final filed goal including him contorting his body hoping to sway the field goal attempt off target and tehn a look of "great, another loss".
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I cannot believe anyone would stick up for Vick! Are you kidding me, he is a thug and a mennace to society. Not only what he did to animals but also his business partners. Some of you are business people and realize what this person did. Took out business loans and NEVER made a payment. Look at his family, criminals up and down the line, especially his low life brother. If it were not for football they would be life time criminals, but because of football are only part time criminals. If you think this person has any morals just ask Arthur Blank, owner of the Falcons who gave this moron everything and got a criminal instead. Like Vick told Blank face to face that he had nothing to do with dog fighting. Are you kidding? Blank stood by Vick until all the evidence came out, until he finally realized who this person really is and will always be. A CRIMINAL. I give him 5 years before he is back in trouble, hell he was caught smoking pot while in home lock down.
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I cannot believe anyone would stick up for Vick! Are you kidding me, he is a thug and a mennace to society. Not only what he did to animals but also his business partners. Some of you are business people and realize what this person did. Took out business loans and NEVER made a payment. Look at his family, criminals up and down the line, especially his low life brother. If it were not for football they would be life time criminals, but because of football are only part time criminals. If you think this person has any morals just ask Arthur Blank, owner of the Falcons who gave this moron everything and got a criminal instead. Like Vick told Blank face to face that he had nothing to do with dog fighting. Are you kidding? Blank stood by Vick until all the evidence came out, until he finally realized who this person really is and will always be. A CRIMINAL. I give him 5 years before he is back in trouble, hell he was caught smoking pot while in home lock down.
I hate to even respond but who was sticking up for Vick?
His actions were deplorable; the discussion was whether there should be action beyond what the criminal justice system did. Some of us (myself included) think the NFL suspension and people thinking he shouldn't be allowed to work in the NFL is akin to double jeopary. At the same time, being a dog owner (of 3 plus 2 cats) I certainly think he got what he deserved (time and $$ hardship) and maybe even should have gotten more BUT as soon as a criminal is set free I think they have the right to put that behind them (with the exception of pediphiles, rapists, etc who should be monitiored if not castrated).
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If Vick were in any other legitimate line of business...do you seriously think he would ever be hired back? No way....I am convinced he will get his just reward ;D