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Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Dr. Spa™ Ret. on April 09, 2009, 02:17:28 pm
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Dynasty Spas expansion to add 75 more to payroll
http://dpa.xtn.net/dynamic/News/Story/154950
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4th largest manufacturer of spas in the world?? Interesting. Watkins your number 3 position might be in jeopardy! ;D
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4th largest manufacturer of spas in the world?? Interesting. Watkins your number 3 position might be in jeopardy! ;D
"The new positions will raise the company's employment number to 250, "
Something does not compute.
However, it is good news for Athens, TN.
Who did they buy out?
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4th largest manufacturer of spas in the world?? Interesting. Watkins your number 3 position might be in jeopardy! ;D
I did a quick check with the U>S chamber of manufactureing, and you may be right....
#1 HotSpring
#2 Limelight
#3 Tiger River
#4 Dynasty
#5 Caldera
After that, it really doesn't matter much..... ;)
I'm still alive, just working really, really hard. Beeeen drinking alot, working ourt, fixin' up website, and ergetting ready to expand shorwooom. Ya'll be ogood and happy Easters.
Termiioanotr
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You know, they lost South Central Pool Supply and Superior Pool Products to Tatum a year or two ago. I wonder how many they laid off when that happened. Now, South Central and Superior have gone back to Dynasty. I wonder if that is why they are having to add some work force.
I spoke with the person who was instrumental in both the change to Tatum and the change back. He told me they had contacted the two top manufacturers out there, but were turned down. That's when they went back to Dynasty.
I doubt they are the number 4 manufacturer out there, but who knows. As we all know, the numbers are so closely held that we can't know for sure.
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#4 doesn't surprise me. They build quite a few spas and do a number of private labels.
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#4 doesn't surprise me. They build quite a few spas and do a number of private labels.
#4 while ramping up to 250 employees? How small an industry are we anyway???
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#4 while ramping up to 250 employees? How small an industry are we anyway???
I'm assuming you're kidding. This may be a "wide" industry with a bunch of little players, but the spa industry isn't huge. I think the best year we had was about four years ago when money was easy to come by and we only did 400,000 units.
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Let me take a stab at the top 3...
Watkins (Hotspring, Caldera, and their aux lines)
Jacuzzi (Sundance and Jacuzzi)
Cal?
Tell me if I'm right. I'm sure someone knows.
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I'm assuming you're kidding. This may be a "wide" industry with a bunch of little players, but the spa industry isn't huge. I think the best year we had was about four years ago when money was easy to come by and we only did 400,000 units.
Granted the industry isn't huge. But 250 employees for the alleged 4th largest manufacturer sounds pretty darn small to me. That is management, manufacturing, marketing, sales, the janitor, the entire company.
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So basically this artical is saying that Dynasty bought Diamante? Cause Diamante is the only manufacturer left in Ontario, Calif.
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I thought it was basically saying they had 75 job openings. ;D
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Yeah and in the forth paragraph it says they purchased a manufacturer in ontario,calif. and are starting a new line, which was Diamante right? ;)
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Let me take a stab at the top 3...
Watkins (Hotspring, Caldera, and their aux lines)
Jacuzzi (Sundance and Jacuzzi)
Cal?
Tell me if I'm right. I'm sure someone knows.
A report from 2007 gave the top 10 (in alphabetical order) as
Arctic Spas
CalSpas
Coleman/Maax Spas
Dimension 1 Spas
Gulf Coast
Infinity/Keys
Jacuzzi/Sundance
Leisure Bay/Dreammaker
Master Spas
Watkins/Caldera
Lots of changes since then.
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A report from 2007 gave the top 10 (in alphabetical order) as
Arctic Spas
CalSpas
Coleman/Maax Spas
Dimension 1 Spas
Gulf Coast
Infinity/Keys
Jacuzzi/Sundance
Leisure Bay/Dreammaker
Master Spas
Watkins/Caldera
Lots of changes since then.
I'm surprised Marquis and Artesian didn't sneak in there over Leisure Bay and even D1. I'd have guessed Marquis was at the Arctic production level. Who knows where these guesstimates come from?
I've decided that I'm going to buy one of the defunct spa makers and rename it Aardvark Spas so I can be first alphabetically. ;)
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Who knows where these guesstimates come from?
That one was from Lucite.
I've decided that I'm going to buy one of the defunct spa makers and rename it Aardvark Spas so I can be first alphabetically. ;)
LOL.
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Those lucite numbers prove that Arctic IS one of the big boys and needs to be recognized as such on this board. Arctic is a growing manufacturer in a industry that is lacking any growth whatsoever.
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Those lucite numbers prove that Arctic IS one of the big boys and needs to be recognized as such on this board. Arctic is a growing manufacturer in a industry that is lacking any growth whatsoever.
I'm not sure why you think Arctic is being dissed but in reality the list means little IMO. I mean who wants to say "look at me" when the same list has Master, Living Waters and Infinity. It just means you make top 10 volume. There is nothing wrong with that and it’s certainly something to be proud of but I'm not sure it should mean that there is a "need to be recognized" because of it. Having said that, it changes little because I think everyone suspected Arctic was in the top 10 quantity wise anyway.
Your second sentence has far more merit. No one has grown quantity wise over the last 2 years but some have maintained much better than others and therefore gained market share. If Arctic is one of the ones that have gained market share then I'm sure that gives them reason to feel good in this economy.
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I'm not sure why you think Arctic is being dissed but in reality the list means little IMO. I mean who wants to say "look at me" when the same list has Master, Living Waters and Infinity. It just means you make top 10 volume. There is nothing wrong with that and it’s certainly something to be proud of but I'm not sure it should mean that there is a "need to be recognized" because of it. Having said that, it changes little because I think everyone suspected Arctic was in the top 10 quantity wise anyway.
Your second sentence has far more merit. No one has grown quantity wise over the last 2 years but some have maintained much better than others and therefore gained market share. If Arctic is one of the ones that have gained market share then I'm sure that gives them reason to feel good in this economy.
It is my understanding that Arctic has grown production over the past few years. I just pointed out that Arctic was in there when some other top names werent like Artesian and Marquis.
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Just because you sell more does not make a better product. Master and Living Waters on the top 10 list will attest to that.
Build quality and the quantity will come build good looking crap and have unethical marketing practices and early quantity may come but it will catch up to you and the folks building the good stuff will pass you by.
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Gary, I guess that all explains why Arctic continues to grow every year!!!
;)
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Build quality and the quantity will come build good looking crap and have unethical marketing practices and early quantity may come but it will catch up to you and the folks building the good stuff will pass you by.
Good point, Gary.
BTW: Even used-car salesmen are getting tired of their tarnished image. My wife and I went car shopping last night. The guy on the lot insisted that he was NOT a used car salesman but a dealer in pre-owned vehicles. :D
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I guess Lucite is the authority in knowing how many spas everyone manufactures. Even the companies that buy their acrylic from Aristech. Lucite may have a very good idea, but they still only know what they sell - not what them and Aristech sell.
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I guess Lucite is the authority in knowing how many spas everyone manufactures. Even the companies that buy their acrylic from Aristech. Lucite may have a very good idea, but they still only know what they sell - not what them and Aristech sell.
Oh Vanguard, I know its not the end all be all for spa numbers. I just think it gives us a decent idea.
PS, any manufacturers of that size DEFINETELY know what kind of production their shells out.
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I agree with Vanguard. How can a list from one acrylic sheet mfr be the authority on numbers of tubs sold? Are they saying people that dont buy a majority of their sheets from Lucite dont count? Maybe I'm biased since Aristech is my backyard. ;D
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I agree with Vanguard. How can a list from one acrylic sheet mfr be the authority on numbers of tubs sold? Are they saying people that dont buy a majority of their sheets from Lucite dont count? Maybe I'm biased since Aristech is my backyard. ;D
Specially when most mfg place an early buy before the new year on speculation of what they will/might sell.
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I agree with Vanguard. How can a list from one acrylic sheet mfr be the authority on numbers of tubs sold? Are they saying people that dont buy a majority of their sheets from Lucite dont count? Maybe I'm biased since Aristech is my backyard. ;D
Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that Lucite was "the authority". The report is an estimate of spas produced derived from acrylic sold. Consider it an indicator rather than conclusive evidence.
Another indicator is this consumer survey: http://www.poolandspa.com/page5022.htm#CONSUMERS_PICK_BEST_SPAS_OF_THE_YEAR Members on the board have raised some eyebrows at that one, too. Again, no one claims that this is conclusive evidence.
When you have enough indicators pointing in the same direction, though this still does not constitute evidence, it is nonetheless strongly suggestive.
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I guess Lucite is the authority in knowing how many spas everyone manufactures. Even the companies that buy their acrylic from Aristech. Lucite may have a very good idea, but they still only know what they sell - not what them and Aristech sell.
Kind of like a certain manufacturer that CLAIMS they are the worlds leading manufacturer of portable spas. Maybe its true, maybe not!
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Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that Lucite was "the authority". The report is an estimate of spas produced derived from acrylic sold. Consider it an indicator rather than conclusive evidence.
Another indicator is this consumer survey: http://www.poolandspa.com/page5022.htm#CONSUMERS_PICK_BEST_SPAS_OF_THE_YEAR Members on the board have raised some eyebrows at that one, too. Again, no one claims that this is conclusive evidence.
When you have enough indicators pointing in the same direction, though this still does not constitute evidence, it is nonetheless strongly suggestive.
Let's test it ;)
http://surveys.verticalresponse.com/a/show/355775/71329828fa/1
everybody go and select "Other brand", and write in Roberts Hot Tubs
;D
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Let's test it ;)
http://surveys.verticalresponse.com/a/show/355775/71329828fa/1
everybody go and select "Other brand", and write in Roberts Hot Tubs
;D
LOL ;D ;D
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he he, look at me I can laugh too!