Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: p951 on December 14, 2008, 05:42:58 pm
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I just got my first full month billing for my 2008 Envoy - Ouch!!! I use the spa maybe 2-3 times per week with my wife for about a 30 minute soak at 100 degrees. I then cover the spa and leave the temp at 100. I also have the Spaudio Cast, so maybe that is drawing more power. My electricity bill shot up $60 bucks. I was expecting about half that?
I usually plan on my "spa soaking agenda" the day of. Should I turn the spa down to 95 and then when I come home from work if I am going to use the spa in 1-2 hours just turn it back up to 100?
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What is your cost per KWH (kilowatt hour)?
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So soes that include the first fill and heating your water from tap temperature to 101?...
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What is your cost per KWH (kilowatt hour)?
I believe my Tier 4 cost was .21
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So soes that include the first fill and heating your water from tap temperature to 101?...
No, that would have been on the first bill. I've had my spa now for about 5+ weeks
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Let's see - weather has gotten much colder, days are much shorter so the lights are on much more, you may have been home more since you now have something fun to do - and the price of your power may have increased from last year.
Yup, blame the spa. ;D ;D ;D ;D
All kidding aside, the first month always comes in high. Relax, it doesn't stay that way. One of the great mysteries of life. But if you want to know how much of that increase is due to the spa, you will have to meter just the spa.
8-)
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I agree that you typically have to compare the months based on LAST YEAR's usage, not last months for the same reason that Chas mentioned (It's common for winter electricity bills to increase simply due to weather and Nov is typically more severe than October for about 95% of the US area). So, my question would be..."How does it compare to last year's bill for the same time period?"
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I agree that you typically have to compare the months based on LAST YEAR's usage, not last months for the same reason that Chas mentioned (It's common for winter electricity bills to increase simply due to weather and Nov is typically more severe than October for about 95% of the US area). So, my question would be..."How does it compare to last year's bill for the same time period?"
I only moved into the home on January 18th of 2008. I had previously lived in an apartment. However, Since August, my electricity bill had been trending downward each month, only to see a drastic jump this bill. For example, August 12th's bill was $150. September was $135. October was $105. November was $95. December 12th's bill was $155. I got the spa November 3rd. My electricity bill runs from about the 12th day of the month to the 11th day of the following month. I wonder if the Spaudio Cast is drawing that much electricity. I also got rid of an old 32" picture tube TV and replaced it with an LCD 37". We did host Thanksgiving at my house for 15 people and the spa was uncovered practically the whole day for that. a $60 jump just seems like alot. When I was shocking the spa each week, I would leave the cover off for 1 1/2 hours to vent the fumes. I will try leaving it off only 45 minutes from now on.
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You may also be forgetting some other spa related electric costs. I know we use a bunch more towels when we are using the tub often. Unless you have a gas dryer or use a clothes line (which I do when ever I can), you are adding to your electric bill using one of the costliest appliances.
I doubt that your spa audio system would cost much to run. :-/
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I think I read somewhere awhile back that most higher end spas consume about 8-12 kwhs a day.....depending on climate, settings, usage, etc. Mine uses about 11 kwhs a day in the peak of St. Louis winters. So let's just say your spa uses 10. With your $.21 a kwh cost, that would be about $60 a month.
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I think I read somewhere awhile back that most higher end spas consume about 8-12 kwhs a day.....depending on climate, settings, usage, etc. Mine uses about 11 kwhs a day in the peak of St. Louis winters. So let's just say your spa uses 10. With your $.21 a kwh cost, that would be about $60 a month.
When I saw the topic I was assuming we might see one of those $100+ increases that people sometimes post on spas that aren't well insulated. Of course no one would be thrilled by a $60 increase to any monthly bill but the rate is key (as well as power consumption of course) and $0.21/KwH is not cheap so I'm not sure $30 per month is what I'd expect but it would be interesting to see what a rolling 3 month average is since this is a new spa getting good use at the start of winter.
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Yep...when we got our spa...I didn't consider more towel useage. You had Thanksgiving, left if open most of the day. I would give it more time before coming to conclusions. I personally think that the spa itself contributes to more than $30 a month.
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p951, I also have an Envoy and live in the same area. I don't have the spaudio though. It's hard to tell exactly how much extra you are paying for the spa without hooking it up to a meter. I keep mine at 102 and use it almost every day/night. I'm paying about $40 per month extra in the winter based off my previous electric bills. Our electricity rates are very high in Southern California. In the summer you won't notice the increase.
Anyway, I'm sure the first month will run a little higher due to heating the water from a cold start and fiddling with the spa as a new owner. It should settle down in the future. Regardless, even at $60 it's been well worth it for my family. That's about what it costs to take the family out to a cheap dinner. I've tried to limit these types of expenses to offset the higher electric bills. Good luck with your new tub.....
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I only moved into the home on January 18th of 2008. I had previously lived in an apartment. However, Since August, my electricity bill had been trending downward each month, only to see a drastic jump this bill. For example, August 12th's bill was $150. September was $135. October was $105. November was $95. December 12th's bill was $155. I got the spa November 3rd. My electricity bill runs from about the 12th day of the month to the 11th day of the following month. I wonder if the Spaudio Cast is drawing that much electricity. I also got rid of an old 32" picture tube TV and replaced it with an LCD 37". We did host Thanksgiving at my house for 15 people and the spa was uncovered practically the whole day for that. a $60 jump just seems like alot. When I was shocking the spa each week, I would leave the cover off for 1 1/2 hours to vent the fumes. I will try leaving it off only 45 minutes from now on.
OK, that probably does explain at least part of it. Your not really use to the cost to heat a home in the winter (since you've never had one before). I would not be surprised if your "normal" bill (one that would not have included a hot tub) would have been somewhere are $110 for that month (a $15 increase in the prior month for no spa) simply due to the temperature differences in those time periods. There are many on here that wish their bill was ONLY $155/month.
I am certain that a number of use with homes can tell you that your heating cost in the winter do increase SIGNIFICANTLY. That's one of the reasons I went with gas heat when I bought my last home.
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P951, I kind of agree with spatech. I was expecting you to say your bill increased by a huge amount--something like $200 or more. Here is a typical post by someone who doesn't have a well insulated spa like yourself.
http://www.poolspaforum.com/forum/index.php?s=c5270b4c0b5b3290c57ca54cd6718c84&showtopic=18309
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Yeah. I'm not too worried about the monthly electricity increase. With the spa, all of its options + the gazebo and electrician, I shelled out about $15,000 Cash. So an extra $30 a month won't change the way I live, I was curious to get some input regarding my situation though. From the advice given, I will wait another year so I can compare my bill to last year's amounts. Thank you all for the input. :)
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As crazy as it may seem, our 60 LCD added about 10.00 a month to our electric, took a bit to figure out where the extra was coming from. You mentioned you have a new LCD TV. We now turn ours off at night with surge protector so no power is going to it, even when its "off" since they are never truely off.
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Another note regarding TV's. The LCD sets are significantly more efficient that an equivalent Plasma set. In fact some Plasma's are 3 times less efficient than the LCD's so those of you who are considering the options should realize that as in the spa world, the HDTV world has similar equivalences (pay less up front for that 52-inch plasma but more in the long run in elec costs)
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Nda, are the LCD's better for gaming too? I know my kids pause games on the screen and even TV shows with the DVR...and I thought that Plasma risk burn in..is that still true?
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Hi, yes LCD's are better for gaming. The newest LCD 1080p sets really have no downsides.
1. Use less electricity than plasma.
2. No burn in issues.
3. Are able to display deep black color equivalent to the best plasma.
4. Motion blur is almost non existent especially with the 120hz refresh rates.
5. Weigh less than comparable plasma. 52" lcd weighs less than 60lbs.
6. At 1080p resolution you can use your lcd tv as a giant computer monitor for playing computer games.
Now onto the main theme of this thread: Electrical Costs
I own a Hotspring Vanguard and live in Indiana. I keep my hottub at 96 degrees during the winter when not being used. I only used the tub 2-3 times per week in the winter. An hour or so before I plan on using the spa I go out turn it up to 101. Then turn it back down to 96 when I'm done. I think overall this does save me a small amount of electricity.
Also I changed out every light in the house inside and out with CFL's. I am a crazy about shutting off lights when noone is in the room. My electric bill in the winter has never been higher than $85. Granted I have a gas furnace and gas water heater. I recommend changing out the most commonly used lightbulbs in your house with CFL's. Every little bit helps. Also you should shut down your computer when not in use and get one of the power saving surge protectors for your TV and stereo. I've even seen surge protectors that come with remote controls to turn the strip on and off. This works great for hooking up all of your TV/Audo equipment.
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Very good advise cburk0677. You sound a lot like me. I've also changed out all our old incandescent light bulbs. Just curious, how many kWhr's do you estimate your spa is consuming during the winter? With that electric bill it doesn't sound like your spa is using very much electricity.
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Also I changed out every light in the house inside and out with CFL's.
Just curious, how do you throw away your CFL's when they burn out? I have tried using the CFL's in my can lights and they keep burning out - quicker than my incadescent - and nobody seems to know what I should do with them since they are full of mercury.
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In Indianapolis there are toxic waste drop off sites that are open a couple times a month where you take burnt out CFL's, paint, oil, etc. I recommend googling CFL disposal and your city name to find where these sites are located.
I haven't really estimated how many kwh my tub uses per month. Electric rates are around 9 cents per kwh so I am lucky to have low rates.
I really do think the CFL's are worth the money. I've only had one burn out earlier than expected. I usually buy the GE brand at lowe's.
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Just an FYI - You can take CFLs to any Home Depot in the US for recycling.
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Nda, are the LCD's better for gaming too? I know my kids pause games on the screen and even TV shows with the DVR...and I thought that Plasma risk burn in..is that still true?
LCD's are generally pretty good for gaming. Pausing on-screen images is no issue for LCD's and is also less of an issue on the newer Plasma's than on the older ones. Essentially, unless you leave a single image on a plasma for weeks &/or months on end, you will typically not see any burn-in on the plasma's either now-a-days. In other words, not an issue.
However, even the newer LCD's (which falsely claim 1,000,000 contrast ratios) don't have the ability to show shading detail in darker scenes so they aren't nearly as good as Plasma's for higher-end Home Theater applications.