Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Ranger25 on October 20, 2008, 11:21:51 am
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I have a 2001 Prodigy that is leaking around the bottom of the cover and through the pump motor vent hole. I have checked everything that I can in the motor compartment and found nothing. How can I remove the sides to check the plumbing or the tub? Thanks
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Can you be more specific as to what you mean by "Around the bottom of the cover? Can you take some pictures of where you’re seeing the water?
That spa is very hard to get into the sides however I'm not so sure your problem is in around the side. More often than not I find the leak around the light lens and it is just telegraphing to a different location.
They use a heavy density foam around the shell for support and often it fools you. If you can take pictures of your light that would help also....It will tell us if there is cracks or discoloration.
The other place I’ve seen leaks on that model is where the drain tube comes out, if the spa sets on a deck there isn’t a lot of insulation over the lower fittings on the drain and that water sets idle.
I have my doubt to this however simply because we haven’t had a good enough cold snap to cause this to spring up.
Just for grins, also look where the pump housing and motor connect….You might just have a pump seal that is leaking only with the pump running.
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I just installed a new wet end on my pump because I thought the pump was leaking after replacing the seal on it didn't work. I am getting water behind the pump after filling the tub and not even turning anything else on.
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Is the water actuallly in the equipment compartment?
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Yes, It fills the compartment full then runs out the vent tub holes in the floor of the compartment. It is also now running out under the right side (looking front to rear) at the bottom. It seems to be coming around the hole behind the pump where the vent hose for the motor goes through the housing.
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Just for grins, look at the white bulb attached to the white hose on the intake side of the ozone. There is some black foam in it, if this foam is wet then the ozone check valve has failed and water is comming through the ozone.
I also PM"ed you
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After searching for weeks I have decided it's got to be a pipe problem. I don't care anything about a hot tub but my wife makes me keep it going. This Hot Springs has been trouble ever since I've had it anyway. Please beware of any Hot Springs Product out there. I'm not bashing just speaking the truth. (Thanks to Stuart for helping me for a while)
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Please beware of any Hot Springs Product out there. I'm not bashing just speaking the truth. (Thanks to Stuart for helping me for a while)
Because you have a problem with your tub, everyone should "beware"? Having sold over 800,000 hot tubs (more than anyone else) Hot Spring is a quality product. It's unfortunate that yours is leaking. Keep in mind, it, like any other man-made product can fail at times. Hopefully Stuart was able to point you in the right direction. Good luck!
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Don't throw in the towel yet...either call me on the number I gave you or PM me with a number to call you and maybe we can get through this.
I'm pretty good at finding these leaks so you don't have to be frustrated alone, let's set up a time that I can walk you through it over the phone and it might be easier than you think.
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Don't throw in the towel yet...either call me on the number I gave you or PM me with a number to call you and maybe we can get through this.
I'm pretty good at finding these leaks so you don't have to be frustrated alone, let's set up a time that I can walk you through it over the phone and it might be easier than you think.
I can fix it!
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I can fix it!
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My dad has an awesome set of tools!!!
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[glow] My dad has an awesome set of tools!!! [/glow]
you have no idea howfunny that is. ;D ;D
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Ask your dealer about a Hartford Loop...
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Ask your dealer about a Hartford Loop...
He's checked his ozone and there is no water comming out of it....That was one of my first thoughts hoever, if the check valve is failing it needs replaced, you can't depend on one hartford loop by itself..
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Actually, the Harford loop in question is not for the Ozone, it is for the air inlet. That model came from the factory with a "shuttle valve" which opened and closed by suction from the main pump. When the pump came on, the suction shuttled the valve to the open position, and the air was allowed to flow to all the various air controls for the jets.
Stop the pump, and a spring was supposed to slide the shuttle over to completely shut off and seal the air system. It was a great idea, but the valves didn't seem to want to live forever and they often stick in the open position. Under the right circumstances that can lead to water backflowing out of the vent screen under the corner of the spa. That is where the air is picked up - right where the hot air exits from the shroud on the jet pump motor.
The simple solution is to install a Hartford Loop. Your local HS Dealer will have a kit which contains all the parts to make this simple upgrade - it is basically a check valve, a pre-formed hartford loop with three loop in it, the various clamps and adapters needed, and a plug to close off the line which used to provide the suction 'signal' which operated the valve. It could be put together from vinyl tubing and a check valve if you want... just get rid of the shuttle valve.
I would check to see if that valve does in fact exist on this spa in question, and then replace it and see if the leak goes away.
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After searching for weeks I have decided it's got to be a pipe problem. Please beware of any Hot Springs Product out there. I'm not bashing just speaking the truth. (Thanks to Stuart for helping me for a while)
Weren't we recently talking about a sample of one? I am assuming this comes from frustration, but I hope we hear more from you if you get the problem worked out. The tone suggests you won't be back. In many forums when people come in , make remarks like that, and never come back, it really sheds a different light on the whole situation.
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When our customers have a problem with their spa, they call us and we come and fix it. That is always the best course of action and the reason why we have a service department.
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Weren't we recently talking about a sample of one? I am assuming this comes from frustration, but I hope we hear more from you if you get the problem worked out. The tone suggests you won't be back. In many forums when people come in , make remarks like that, and never come back, it really sheds a different light on the whole situation.
It's times like these I wish I could beam myself there and take a look at this spa in person. He sent me pictures but not enough for me to get a good idea of what it happening. I think this is very fixable and I would love to make this a positive turnout.
My fear is letting this go into winter with a major leak and it could get a whole lot worse.
I'm seen a lot of leaks in this vintage HS and I'm concerned that it’s a glue issue. If this is the case it would be much better for the company to come out and say that and let everyone know what they've done to fix it so that there is not concern with current product.
Many glue joint issues in the past on other brands didn't show up until the 5 to 8 year mark and often people take that as acceptable failure and replace the spa.
That to me is a matter of individual attitude, I personally try to buy the best so that it lasts and if it doesn't I don't give up until I find an answer. That spa should have several good years left on it by the way it was marketed and sold.
I hope Ranger keeps at this until we find a resolution for him and I for one am willing to help how ever I can.
I'm thrilled to see Chas on this because he has more resources on HS than I do so maybe we can get to the bottom of this. If Ranger doesn't come back and you find a solution, I have his email and will forward it to him.
BTW, the hartford loop was origionally used in boilers for return line pressure but for many years we've used the name as slang for the loop you put in an ozone return line. The loop that Chas is talking about is obviously something that HS came up with that is similar to the boiler loop.
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My 2003 Hyundai with 70,000 miles has broken wipers, I encourage everyone not to buy these problem vehicles.
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And my 2004 Hyundai has nothing wrong with it....I encourage everyone to get one, but it has to be bright yellow :D
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My husband's Kia has 53,000 miles, Bill...I will tell him to be on the lookout for the wiper problem!! ;D
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And my 2004 Hyundai has nothing wrong with it....I encourage everyone to get one, but it has to be bright yellow :D
Better replace it now, statistically (sample of 1) you only have a year left on your wipers ;D
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Wow relatively speaking at those prices that prodigy is a pretty expensive Hyunda :) 8-)i!
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After searching for weeks I have decided it's got to be a pipe problem. I don't care anything about a hot tub but my wife makes me keep it going. This Hot Springs has been trouble ever since I've had it anyway. Please beware of any Hot Springs Product out there. I'm not bashing just speaking the truth. (Thanks to Stuart for helping me for a while)
Did you get your tub fixed Ranger? I have a Hotspring spa and have had no major problems with mine. Good luck....
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I have been out of town for a week and haven't had a chance to work on it any more. Taking out the pump motor, heater and all other parts from the compartment isn't much fun to try to find a leak. This isn't the first problem I've had with this tub. If you have a few hunderd pages I could tell you all of the problems I have had with it, not just the leak. I have the right to be upset with Hot Springs because of many hours wasted on this tub, not one item.
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I just installed a new wet end on my pump because I thought the pump was leaking after replacing the seal on it didn't work. I am getting water behind the pump after filling the tub and not even turning anything else on.
Most of the ozone systems will leak a small amount when the tub is full but power is off. I should say - most ozone systems of your vintage. Check all the ozone system tubing. I read that your ozone system is kaput? If so, take out the in injector. Replace that whole line in the 3/4" vinyl tubing. Go to a home center or hardware store and buy several feet of the tubing. Be sure to get the thick wall stuff - but it's still cheap and will remove the possibility that your leak is nothing more than the ozone system.
BTW - the reason the O3 systems leak is because they are normally under suction. When you turn off the power, they are under pressure. However, most folks don't dally around - once the power goes off, the tub gets empty, new water and the power restored before a couple of drips can do any harm.
A common DIY problem comes to mind - be sure you use the same type of spring clamps as the factory. Do not try radiator clamps - AKA screw clamps. They will leak, just about every time. The spring type hold a constant pressure as the vinyl expands and contracts as the tub heats and cools.
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And finally - check your light lens. The way to do so is to have the tub full and running. I know it is not real easy on this model, but simply run your finger around on the inside of the lens. If it comes back with any moisture whatsoever, dry it with a soft clean towel and test again. Also test just below the light lens on the wall of the motor compartment. Again - any moisture at all on your finger and you have found the leak.
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Are you talking about the tee that has the 1/4" ozone line to the ozonator on it?
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Are you talking about the tee that has the 1/4" ozone line to the ozonator on it?
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Yes. If you are not using the ozone system, take that out. It doesn't hurt anything being there, but it is a potential leak that might just get you back in hot water. The small amount of work it would take to remove this and replace that section of tubing would make me do it if it was my spa.
If your ozone system does still work - and I'm not talking about just making bubbles, I'm talking about actually producing ozone - then leave it in, but check that whole system for leaks when the power is off only.
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Removed post. My error.
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... Hot Spring is a quality product.
More of Spiderman's quote. He wasn't claiming he sold over 800,000. He was stating Hot Spring has sold over 800,000.
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That's quite impressive! If you've been selling hot tubs every day for 40 years, no weekends off, no holidays off, that means you've been averaging about 54-55 hot tubs a day! Considering the profit margin on a high end tub, you must be swimming in money!
Sorry... I had to make a comment. Reminded me of the dealers who will attempt to make any claim about themselves to prove they are knowledgeable.
Nice try Newbie. Most of us on this forum know that hottubdan isn't who you are making him out to be.
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Nice try Newbie. Most of us on this forum know that hottubdan isn't who you are making him out to be.
That was Spiderman, not me.