Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: OKIEdave on April 12, 2008, 09:01:28 pm
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I have been looking around for a couple of weeks now and have narrowed it down to either a Cal Spa or Artesian, both from Watsons. Does anyone have an opinion on one versus the other? Thanks
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Okie, I tried both the Artesian and the CalSPa , for me the Artesian Platinum Elite series was head and shoulders above the Cal in fit and finish ,was way more comfortable and had a lot better therapy, I was down to the Artesian Piper Glen and the Jacuzzi J-480 and eventually chose the Jacuzzi . But the only way to know for sure yourself is to ,, you guessed it WET TEST both of them.
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By far, go with Artesian. Just do a search for Cal Spa on this forum and I think you'll get a good idea. There are happy Cal Spa owners - no doubt. But, if you have wet tested the Artesian and it works for you, go with that. You said you are looking at Watson's - that is too bad because many of them have less than stellar service after the sale. They might not even afford you an opportunity to wet test, but you must do that before buying.
Artesian is a good brand with nice features. They have really come a long way in the past few years, so I think you can be happy with them.
As to looking at Watson's, you might look for other dealerships in your local area with other brands. I have just heard too many bad stories about the service you don't get with Watson's.
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I like the Artesian features and fit a little better but I can get the Cal Spa for about $1500 less.
As for the service at Watsons, I have talked to 3 different people there, one was really good and informative, but has been on vacation. One other guy was just a little high strung, and the third was more like a car dealer, saying "I dont usually tell people this" and "b/c I like you I will do this".....he was getting on my nerves, but I think I can work that guy a little too.
I might take a little more time looking around. Watsons was just having a "sale", but if they can give me that price today then they should be able to give it to me tomorrow.
Thanks
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I love my CalSpa and it has been 100% trouble free!
Make sure whoever you buy from the dealer will
be supportive and not take the money and run.
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Cal Spas has a really bad name on this forum, and some other places as well. As long as you have good dealer support, any product should work well for you. Cal Spas is a great tub, and there prices are very affordable for a good sized tub.
Just wet test, wet test, wet test.
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Cal Spas has a really bad name on this forum, and some other places as well. As long as you have good dealer support, any product should work well for you. Cal Spas is a great tub, and there prices are very affordable for a good sized tub.
Just wet test, wet test, wet test.
It is VERY important to have a good dealer behind you. Separate from that you want a VERY good manufacturer making and backing that product. Why not have both, gerat dealer and great product! As far as Cal being a "great" tub, we're all entitled to our own opinion.
Of the two options mentioned I'd lean toward Artesian.
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I don't want to get into what is a better tub. My opinion might differ from some people. I would be more concerned with having a manufacture that is still in business in 5 years. From where I sit Cal Spas has a much better chance of being around in five years. Many of the smaller companies that build spas now will be bankrupt in 5 years.(perhaps even 5 months)
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[As far as Cal being a "great" tub, we're all entitled to our own opinion.
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And I was just stating mine.
[Of the two options mentioned I'd lean toward Artesian. ][/quote]
And I just happened to go towards Cal.
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"Many of the smaller companies that build spas now
will be bankrupt in 5 years.(perhaps even 5 months)"
wow
is it really that bad?
i do think the economy is going to get alot worse
and i suppose tubs would be far down the priority list for working families
dang, didn't know alot of tub makers were on the brink
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[As far as Cal being a "great" tub, we're all entitled to our own opinion.
]And I was just stating mine.
[Of the two options mentioned I'd lean toward Artesian. ]And I just happened to go towards Cal.
Which is exactly why I avoided saying you were wrong but rather made the point that my opinion differs.
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"Many of the smaller companies that build spas now
will be bankrupt in 5 years.(perhaps even 5 months)"
wow
is it really that bad?
i do think the economy is going to get alot worse
and i suppose tubs would be far down the priority list for working families
dang, didn't know alot of tub makers were on the brink
Perhaps "many" is a bit alarming. But "some" will definetly go by the wayside. As an example here in So. California I can think of 15 spa stores that have gone under in the last 6 months.
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"Many of the smaller companies that build spas now
will be bankrupt in 5 years.(perhaps even 5 months)"
wow
is it really that bad?
i do think the economy is going to get alot worse
and i suppose tubs would be far down the priority list for working families
dang, didn't know alot of tub makers were on the brink
Since most of these companies are privately held, most are simply cutting back on production and staff to make it through the difficult times.
I seriously doubt Artesian in on the brink. I could be wrong, but they are the typical private company that can cut back to stay at least even, while their owners still pull a nice salary. I don't think Artesian is going anywhere.
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Perhaps "many" is a bit alarming. But "some" will definetly go by the wayside. As an example here in So. California I can think of 15 spa stores that have gone under in the last 6 months.
So we're talking "dealers" here and not manufacturers right? :-? I get that one can effect the other but...
So what has lead you to believe that Artesian "the company", may go belly up? Are you just basing this off of the current economy?
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By far, go with Artesian. Just do a search for Cal Spa on this forum and I think you'll get a good idea. There are happy Cal Spa owners - no doubt. But, if you have wet tested the Artesian and it works for you, go with that. You said you are looking at Watson's - that is too bad because many of them have less than stellar service after the sale. They might not even afford you an opportunity to wet test, but you must do that before buying.
Artesian is a good brand with nice features. They have really come a long way in the past few years, so I think you can be happy with them.
As to looking at Watson's, you might look for other dealerships in your local area with other brands. I have just heard too many bad stories about the service you don't get with Watson's.
Isn't this a Watson's dealer that carries HS? :-? Or is this a different "Watson's"?? Would HS partner with a company that has such a bad reputation?
http://www.watsons-superstore.com/submenu.cfm?locID=1&ID=2
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So we're talking "dealers" here and not manufacturers right? :-? I get that one can effect the other but...
So what has lead you to believe that Artesian "the company", may go belly up? Are you just basing this off of the current economy?
I don't think I ever said that Artesian would go anywhere. I said that IMO Cal Spas has a better chance of being in operation in 5 years. For the record I have heard from the owner of a spa manufacturer that claimed to be "day to day".
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I don't think I ever said that Artesian would go anywhere. I said that IMO Cal Spas has a better chance of being in operation in 5 years. For the record I have heard from the owner of a spa manufacturer that claimed to be "day to day".
Oh come on... Did you actually say that word for word ::) ...no, but you certainly insinuated that did you not? Your quote was;
"from where I sit Cal Spas has a much better chance of being around in five years. Many of the smaller companies that build spas now will be bankrupt in 5 years.(perhaps even 5 months)"
Which was clear to me. You don't have to write it word for word to imply, infer or suggest that you believe it to be true. I’m not trying to be nit picky but at least stand behind your insinuations when you make them. :-?
Which manufacturer is day to day? :-?
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Steve,
Forgive me for not being clear. I'm sorry you misunderstood me (and you did misunderstand me) My belife is that several smaller spa companies will go away. Artesian fits in to the catagory of "smaller" spa company. Will they be one of the ones that will disapear? I have no idea. I will however stand behind what I said. I belive that Cal stands a better chance of being in business in 5 years.
P.S. There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that I would tell you who is day to day. Nice try though.
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Isn't this a Watson's dealer that carries HS? :-? Or is this a different "Watson's"?? Would HS partner with a company that has such a bad reputation?
http://www.watsons-superstore.com/submenu.cfm?locID=1&ID=2
Well, they partnered with Leisure Bay/Rec Warehouse didn't they? I always thought that was a strange one.
I guess I missed where in the thread he mentioned which Watson's he was dealing with. One would assume Oklahoma City, but you can't be sure of that. If it is OKC, they don't carry any Watkins' brands.
Some Watson's have Hot Spring, some have Caldera, some have neither. I have found some Watson's to be fine, but a majority of them are like other mass retailers in our industry. They have limited knowledge and limited customer service. They just have a huge advertising budget and make you think that you're going to get a great deal on an already marked up price.
In Oklahoma City, the Watson's opened there with a "Buy One Hot Tub, Get One Free." Just an example of their marketing gimmicks.
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P.S. There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that I would tell you who is day to day. Nice try though.
Yeah...I kinda thought so... ;)
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In Oklahoma City, the Watson's opened there with a "Buy One Hot Tub, Get One Free." Just an example of their marketing gimmicks.
[size=14]Hot tub sales - Rule #1[/size]
NEVER UTILIZE THE SAME ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN
AS THE PIZZA JOINT DOWN THE BLOCK!!
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[size=14]Hot tub sales - Rule #1[/size]
NEVER UTILIZE THE SAME ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN
AS THE PIZZA JOINT DOWN THE BLOCK!!
So a "we'll deliver in 30 minutes or less, or it's free" campaign wouldn't be wise?
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"For the record I have heard from the owner of a
spa manufacturer that claimed to be "day to day"
I think alot of companies in alot of industries are very worried
Bear Stearns is just the tip of the iceberg.
I could see Hot Tub sales getting hurt badly.
Survival of the fittest mode.
And everyone thought Bear Stearns was an industry leader.
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For the record I have heard from the owner of a spa manufacturer that claimed to be "day to day".
I know of one as well but he's transitioning more into the music industry anyway.
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I like my Calspa and decide it was the best bang for the buck after wet testing. I had also narrowed down to two brands: the Cal or a bullfrog. I went with the Cal hands down. I never tried or even saw an Artesian, so I cant comment.
Definitely wet test both before deciding...