Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: kokanee001 on March 19, 2008, 11:11:32 am
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I enjoy my HS Vanguard, but I'm just wonderin' if it's possible to change the single motomaster jet into a double. If it is possible, would it be simple or difficult? Would it be expensive to convert? Of course, these last two questions are moot if it's not possible. Thx for your input.
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It is, unfortunately, not possible. :(
Term
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You would have to change your Vanguard into a Grandee. ;)
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Thanx. Well, I guess when this one wears out, I'll go for the Grandee. Actually, I really like every seat and go from one to the other.
I do leave the lever that splits the action from pump #2, not in either the 3 or 9 o'clock position, but midway. So when I'm using pump #2 I have all related jets on at once, but at a slightly reduced force. This position is not mentioned in the manual, but I imagine it's not doing any harm. Right?
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If you like your current spa stay with it. but when that spa wears out look at an Arctic Spa. Remember an Arctic Spa is fully upgradable to pretty much any new widget. New jets, new stereos, new chemical systems, and more. So when something new comes out you don't have to buy a new spa. Again one more Arctic Advantage.
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When's the Moto-Massage come out for the Arctic?
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In a Bullfrog Spa we can upgrade:
Lighting (inside & out).
Individual jets.
Entire jetted seats.
Spa packs.
Pumps.
Stereos.
Ozone systems.
Topside controls.
Topside remotes.
Home remotes.
All with relative ease.
Since we're talkin' upgradeability...
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When's the Moto-Massage come out for the Bullfrog?
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As soon as the patent runs out! ;D
In all seriousness, that is a really good jet (albeit expensive to repair), I love the single in my parents' Landmark.
We have several options with similar therapeutic benefits, but admittedly nothing exactly like it.
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In a Bullfrog Spa we can upgrade:
Lighting (inside & out).
Individual jets.
Entire jetted seats.
Spa packs.
Pumps.
Stereos.
Ozone systems.
Topside controls.
Topside remotes.
Home remotes.
All with relative ease.
Since we're talkin' upgradeability...
Nice plug Bauer....... 8-)
Good for you, others have been known to do it shamelessly
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We don't NEED to do any upgrades, we get it right the first time ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh smile !!
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We don't NEED to do any upgrades, we get it right the first time ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh smile !!
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that makes sense, considering this thread was started with a Hot Springs owner wanting to "upgrade" his jet selection.
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No, actually, he wanted to "Convert" his jets. I can so clearly recall my own personal conversion experience.
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In a Bullfrog Spa we can upgrade:
Lighting (inside & out).
Individual jets.
Entire jetted seats.
Spa packs.
Pumps.
Stereos.
Ozone systems.
Topside controls.
Topside remotes.
Home remotes.
All with relative ease.
Since we're talkin' upgradeability...
So are Bullfrog Spa's good quality spa's?
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So are Bullfrog Spa's good quality spa's?
Yes they are!
We have had our Bullfrog 451 for almost two years and have had no problems at all. I would recommend them to anyone. They use the same high quality components as the "big guys" do. Balboa controls, aquaflo pumps, emerson motors, waterway jets, etc. etc. They are the only tub with jetpacks that let you customize your tub to exactly the way you want it. Bullfrog tubs can be ordered in multiple setups of jetpacks, motors and pumps, circ pumps and ozone generators.
Check them out, they also have a great website.
http://www.bullfrogspas.com
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No, actually, he wanted to "Convert" his jets. I can so clearly recall my own personal conversion experience.
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huh???
Must be hell to not be able to admit when your wrong.
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Yes they are!
We have had our Bullfrog 451 for almost two years and have had no problems at all. I would recommend them to anyone. They use the same high quality components as the "big guys" do. Balboa controls, aquaflo pumps, emerson motors, waterway jets, etc. etc. They are the only tub with jetpacks that let you customize your tub to exactly the way you want it. Bullfrog tubs can be ordered in multiple setups of jetpacks, motors and pumps, circ pumps and ozone generators.
Check them out, they also have a great website.
http://www.bullfrogspas.com
Bullfrog's are made in my old home town where I grew up. Don't hear much about them here on this site. When I called the new dealership here in Las Vegas that opened January 2008 the number goes to a disconnect message. So it may not be a good sign.
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Who on earth would open a spa store Jan of this year?
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Who on earth would open a spa store Jan of this year?
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I'm told that the winter months here in Vegas are the best selling months for Spa dealers. They give large discounts during July and August when it is 115 degrees outside....
Chas, BTW I have tried to send you a couple of PM's and they go to an error message. I have been able to PM other's however.
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Just finished talking to my rep from Bullfrog International.
Quite a deal there. :-[
Unfortunately, he did not leave me at liberty to divulge much of the story. It boils down to personal problems leading to mismanagement.
I have been with my organization since before we opened this store. I have helped build this dealership from the ground up. We are a very successful dealership (so are the two others I've watched start up). Most of our success is based on outstanding service. Without the support we've received from Bullfrog International, I don't think things would be quite the same.
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I drove by the BullFrog store today and sure enough they are out of business only after 2 months. The next closest store is 2 hours away in St. George, UT. So I went to a Sundance dealership and scheduled a wet test. I don't see much conversation on this forum about BullFrog.
Scott :-?
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Swell,
that's what my last post in this discussion was about.
Bullfrog International is a relatively new spa manufacturer, it takes time to build a large dealer network. We're catching up faster than you might think.
I'm sorry to hear about the Vegas dealer, but it was an isolated incident that had to do with the owner's business management.
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Swell,
that's what my last post in this discussion was about.
Bullfrog International is a relatively new spa manufacturer, it takes time to build a large dealer network. We're catching up faster than you might think.
I'm sorry to hear about the Vegas dealer, but it was an isolated incident that had to do with the owner's business management.
I don't think it is a bad reflection on BullFrog International. I was very impressed with the company's response on the phone, but I do need a local dealer to take care of the spa I purchase and at this time it wouldn't be a BullFrog.
Scott :)
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I don't think it is a bad reflection on BullFrog International. I was very impressed with the company's response on the phone, but I do need a local dealer to take care of the spa I purchase and at this time it wouldn't be a BullFrog.
Scott :)
I understand that very well - I'm big on local dealerships.
I wouldn't recommend owning a spa without a local dealer. Not so much saying it couldn't work. Just saying I wouldn't leave myself without support (even being a tech).
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I'm told that the winter months here in Vegas are the best selling months for Spa dealers. They give large discounts during July and August when it is 115 degrees outside....
Chas, BTW I have tried to send you a couple of PM's and they go to an error message. I have been able to PM other's however.
Swell--BTW--I saw your reply i another thread about the temps--looks cool enough for me!!
WWHT
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Just finished talking to my rep from Bullfrog International.
Quite a deal there. :-[
Unfortunately, he did not leave me at liberty to divulge much of the story. It boils down to personal problems leading to mismanagement.
I have been with my organization since before we opened this store. I have helped build this dealership from the ground up. We are a very successful dealership (so are the two others I've watched start up). Most of our success is based on outstanding service. Without the support we've received from Bullfrog International, I don't think things would be quite the same.
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Hey All-- WWHT here :D I have heard, either in different posts or forums, that the jet packs--really cool idea, BTW, tend to build up mildew behind them. Is this true?? Makes sense to me, since that water isn't circulating. On the other hand==the jet pack theory is a good one--at least if one pack goes down, you still have other packs.
But, I wonder==can you explain to me Bauer, how the pumps work the Jet Packs?
Thanks. I'm a girl.
WWHT
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If you go to BullFrog website they will send you a free DVD. I got mine last night but have not viewed it yet.
Scott
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In our search for the Ultimate Spa, we were interested in Bullfrog for a while. Our local dealer did contact us, but they had a posting that they were open on Saturdays, but when we were in the area, no one answered the phone to give directions! :(
But, after reviewing the spas and different therapies, I wanted more leg and foot jets, which Bullfrog didn't offer. Maybe when they offer a "foot jet pack" or "calf jet pack" I'll be interested. (one or 2 little jets don't cut ti)
They do look cool, though----and I like frogs!
Chrisi ;D
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WWHT,
sorry it took me a bit to get back - very busy at work and home right now.
To answer your JetPak question:
Pre - 2000 the build-up was an issue. From then to today there is a jet on the back of the manifold (the part of the JetPak which hooks into the plumbing coming from the pump - this main line runs to all JetPods - that's how we feed the JetPaks). This jet circulates water behind the JetPak at an approximate rate of 6 gallons per minute.
The only customers I've had to help with that problem were absolutely not caring for their spas. It's almost always the same: low or no sanitizer, high pH, lack of shocking, and/or uncared for filters. I've had to help customers of other brands (even the major ones) with the same kind of problem for the same kind of reasons.
What it boils down to, is that if you don't take care of your spa - it doesn't matter what you buy.
Sorry to hear about the service from your dealer, not good business to ignore the customer when they want to look at your product. I always leave a message letting them know they missed my business.
Btw - I know you have a lot on your plate, but the new models 462 and 682 have added a fair amount of leg jets. The major lounger in the 552 has had an upgrade on its 4 calf jets and has to large pulsating foot jets.
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WWHT,
sorry it took me a bit to get back - very busy at work and home right now.
Sorry to hear about the service from your dealer, not good business to ignore the customer when they want to look at your product. I always leave a message letting them know they missed my business.
Btw - I know you have a lot on your plate, but the new models 462 and 682 have added a fair amount of leg jets. The major lounger in the 552 has had an upgrade on its 4 calf jets and has to large pulsating foot jets.
Bauer--
No problemo. Thanks for getting back to me. Clears the air (and water).
We were interested in the 682 when we started looking. I may need to revisit the site--and check out the 552, even though I really didn't want a lounger. Well, we can always wet test!!
I think the dealer may be available for appts. on Saturdays, when we were looking for them and no one answered the phone, but, unfortunately, that wasn't posted in their ad.
Funny thing is, most of the dealers we have been to are all along the same route!!
Seems that may be in my favor......... ;D
Well, gonna go get some housework done b-4 I go to work at 7 pm.
Thanks, and I am sure I will talk to you all 2morrow
Chrisi [smiley=lolk.gif]
PS--I wish there was a nurse smiley!! :D
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Here, use mine. I'm not using it.
(http://www.atlantisurgentcare.com/page_files/smiley-nurse.jpg)
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HEY!! Thanks Chas!!!
I'll see if I can change my pic.
CHrisi--aka smiley nurse :D
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Ok. Not to get off subjests here, but can anyone tel me how to get the smiley nurse in Chas' reply to be my pic?? Thanks--Chrisi
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Ok. Not to get off subjests here, but can anyone tel me how to get the smiley nurse in Chas' reply to be my pic?? Thanks--Chrisi
Go to this website:
http://www.atlantisurgentcare.com/page_files/smiley-nurse.jpg
Or use that hyperlink as the place where you enter the web address for your picture.
In other words, do the same thing you did when you got Garfield as your pic, but use that address where the address if for Garfield. Make sense??
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;D ;D
WooHOoooooo... Thanks Ed--You-da-man!! I am such a cheesball and I love it!!!!!!!!
Thanks Chrisi--
BTW--back to spas--I think I mentioned I have an email to my Arctic dealer about the TUndra. Hubby wants to check out Jacuzzi, now too. Just waiting to hear from the dealers!!