Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: solo on September 17, 2007, 02:40:16 pm
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I live in the state of VA.
Dealer A: With your prescription for your hot tub I can save you the sales tax.
Dealer B: I must charge you sales tax by law. Your prescription will allow you to deduct the purchase and sales tax from your taxes.
I qualified Dealer A. I specifically asked him: So you don't have to charge me sales tax and also you don't have to pay the state the sales tax on this sale, correct? He said that I am correct.
The link below suggests that Dealer A is telling the truth and dealer B is not. Can any of you dealers confirm?
http://www.tax.virginia.gov/web_pdfs/busForms/st13.pdf
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I don't know that either one is directly lying to you....With the loopholes in tax code you could potentially slip it by however most codes read "Fitness equipment, therapy devices and medical equipment". The fact that they don't specifically name spas gives them a right to deny it.
In Colorado they, at one time, specifically denied spas and hot tubs yet many dealers continued to not charge the tax illegally.
The best advice I can give is not to get spa advice from your accountant and not to get tax advice from a spa guy! ;)
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They are all lying to you. It is a conspiracy. Run and hide.
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Maybe they just aren't sure or don't know the law and you perceive they are lying to you.
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In Pa. my accountant included the tax in with medical expenses like Dr. bills, prescription meds, etc.
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Maybe they just aren't sure or don't know the law and you perceive they are lying to you.
Well, the thing is that I have directly asked this question and both answer with 100% certainty. On my next sales visit, I am going to take the Sales and use tax certificate of exemption with me.
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I doubt either is lying with the intent to do, they just want to sell a spa and the taxes are not what they know, I would have told you to seek the tax advice from a tax pro. Laws and codes change yearly and to think a spa dealer is up to speed with the changes is a bit unrealistic.
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Dealer A: With your prescription for your hot tub I can save you the sales tax.
I know dealers who will say this, then just pull it out of their profits, just to make the sell. They have so much they can play with...with this offer, they might not throw the steps in...
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Well, the thing is that I have directly asked this question and both answer with 100% certainty. On my next sales visit, I am going to take the Sales and use tax certificate of exemption with me.
So you do ask Quetions knowing the answers. or why didnt you just read it before you asked the Quetions
You say the dealers a liers :o i think its you that lie ::)
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No, I ask the question to multiple dealers and got different answers. So then one pointed me to an on-line resource.
But truthfully 104 degrees...I don't care what yopu think. You have already proven yourself to be someone not to trust...
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But truthfully 104 degrees...I don't care what yopu think. You have already proven yourself to be someone not to trust...
I think you're both have a couple screws loose (and my therapist agrees).
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In California we have a branch of the goverment called "State Board of Equalization". If you have a question reguarding if tax should be charged I would ask that question to your local state tax agency. They will be able to answer your question definitivly once and for all. You can then determine not who is lying to you but who is more up to date and tax loopholes. Best of luck,
Micah
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I'm thinking Dealer B is the smarter of the 2....perhaps he wants you to take Dealer A's offer........... ;)
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What is the sales tax %?
We use to have a SAVE THE GST (Goods and service tax) sale and people would eat it up! WOOHOO... we don't have to pay GST! :D
Now try having a "SAVE 6%" sale and it just doesn't have the same impact... ;)
Sorry...it just made me think of that!
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Here in SC dealer B is telling the truth. :-X
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The Bullfrog dealer and the jacuzzi dealer havr told me that they would not have to charge me sales tax with a prescription. The Hotsprings and the Sundance have told me that they would.
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lying : intentionally telling an untruth.
To answer your question, it's unlikely either is lying to you. One (or perhaps both) simply doesn't fully understand the sales tax laws in your state.
Paranoid : Someone who believes anyone that tells them something incorrect is a lier and is out to get them ;D
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Okay, I guess he figured it all out, and the truth can now be told, once and for all. The jig is up, as they say.
In truth, hot tubs only cost about $87.59. After all, they're all just a box of pumps and some foam. Unless you happen to sell rebranded spas out of a garage, near the greater Denver area, in which case you don't get even the foam. The dealers, along with all the regular members of this forum all have secret meetings to plan out how to rip off the public. One way is to mark up the cost of a spa by 25,000%. This is part of the hush money the spa dealers pay us forum members- to pretend this business is actually legitimate. We're all in on the act. Whew, it feels good to get this off my shoulders.
Another common ploy, one sanctioned by the IRS and every state that either charges sales tax, or income tax, is to intentionally LIE to the spa shoppers to further confuse them about the tax implications of purchasing a spa for medical reasons.
Near the secret place in the Nevada desert where all the captured UFO's are stored is a secret spa sellers school. It is at this school where the spa dealers and potential sales people are taught to lie with a straight face by practicing over and over again in front of nuns and little old ladies.
Just remember this, since the secret is now out, I can tell this- Since the markup on this stuff is so high, there is really an infinite amount of padding in the retail price. Remember to reject the first several dozen offers you get- those offers are for the weak and feeble minded.
If the dealer can come down $100, they certainly can come down another hundred, and so on until you find out that only suckers pay over $1000.
I think now that the secrets are out, you should concentrate on getting one of those $15,000 spas that are now on sale for $5,000. And you won't have any lying salesmen or ripoff brick and mortar dealerships to deal with. They all want to take your money and leave you in the ditch, anyway.
These spas are sold direct out of some pole barn, cut out the middlemen, and pass the savings on to you. Because there is no middeleman or dealership to lie to you, you don't have to worry about after the sale support. But that's not important, since the same people who lied to you to sell you your spa will no doubt lie and cheat you on any needed service.
And if that doesn't appeal to you, there is always our friend in Colorado. I'm sure he'd love to have you as a customer.
It become very apparent that your desire to own a spa, if you ever really even had one to begin with, has been replaced by your favorite past time- baiting the spa forum. Hope you're having fun. Remember to discount everyone's advice though, now that you know we're all lying to you.
Of course, I may be lying to you right now. It's all part of the master plan, bwahahahahaha...............
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Near the secret place in the Nevada desert where all the captured UFO's are stored is a secret spa sellers school. It is at this school where the spa dealers and potential sales people are taught to lie with a straight face by practicing over and over again in front of nuns and little old ladies.
I think someone (either Doc or Bill) posted some pictures of the place a while back. It looked like an old abandoned mill, except there were some spas sitting out in the sun, waiting to be "shipped to Europe" or something. If there was a secret evil base for training shady spa salesman, that sure looked like it.
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No, I ask the question to multiple dealers and got different answers. So then one pointed me to an on-line resource.
But truthfully 104 degrees...I don't care what yopu think. You have already proven yourself to be someone not to trust...
When I had my own service business, I called the state office with a sales tax question. I called four times and got four different answers. If the state tax employees can't get a single answer, I doubt dealers will all have the same answer.
I doubt your salespeople are intending to mislead you here. Why the automatic assumption they are lying. What benefit do they get for charging sales tax?
Give them some benefit of the doubt.
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We sell some food at my bookstore. Some of it is ALWAYS taxed, some is NEVER taxed. Some is taxed when it's consumed on the property, but not taxed if it's "to go". And the variable ones have to be memorized; they can't be programmed into the computer system, since the tax status changes depending on what the customer tells us. When we try to call our home office with tax questions, they're never sure since they have to deal with 50 different tax codes. Taxes are a pain.
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Lying- Intentionally telling someone something you know is not true with the intent to decieve.
Mis Informing- Giving out information that you believe is or may be true, that turns out not to be. Not intentional.
Learn the difference, and give people the benefit of a doubt, for crissakes. ::)
Businesses that have been around for a little while don't make it a policy to lie to their customers. Nothing to be gained in that.
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To the best of my knowledge, (I do business in VA also), currently the option is to have it reported on your taxes as a deduction. I agree, that either dealer most likely isn't trying to lie to you but make the sale.
Look at the bottom line price, regardless of how they get there and then compare the feaures and benefits of each tub and then make your decision based on all that information. If they are comparable products then the pricing will be relatively close. If not, you may be comparing "apples to oranges" which may not be the best approach on such a large ticket item.
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I live in the state of VA.
Dealer A: With your prescription for your hot tub I can save you the sales tax.
Dealer B: I must charge you sales tax by law. Your prescription will allow you to deduct the purchase and sales tax from your taxes.
I qualified Dealer A. I specifically asked him: So you don't have to charge me sales tax and also you don't have to pay the state the sales tax on this sale, correct? He said that I am correct.
The link below suggests that Dealer A is telling the truth and dealer B is not. Can any of you dealers confirm?
http://www.tax.virginia.gov/web_pdfs/busForms/st13.pdf
They are ALL lying. Unless you are immobilized without therapy, just pay the freaking taxes. I get tired of people trying to "scam" the system. And yes, you are trying to "get around" the liability of paying taxes. IMHO this is just like the current "Handicap placard" scam where it seems that a certain group of people are all getting placards (but they don't have any REAL handicap) much less ANY mobility issues. These approaches are REALLY REALLY a sad statement of the morals of this world. Young people of this world should take guidance from their elders and follow COMMON SENSE.
You would need a "prescription" issued by a doctor in order to have ANY chance to claim this. So, unless you have some malady that has not yet been shared on this site, I do not believe that you would "qualify" as you do not appear to have any valid reasons to pursue this specific exemption. Only about 3% of all Spa Buyers get the benefit of this deduction. Then again, I would not want their related problems (even if it did save me $500 in taxes).
As far as taxes, you can usually claim certain items as "health care" and list them in that same 2% of income exclusion as an itemized component. However, these STILL require substantiation/validation.
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1. I do have a "malady" as you would say. It is Ehler's Danlos Syndrome, a rare genetic connective tissue disroder and it is very painful. Google it if you care to learn what I am going through.
2. I do have a prescription from a medical doctor for the tub.
So I wouldn't quite classify myself as someone trying to abuse the system. I didn't even know that I could save the taxes with my prescription until my Bullfrog rep told me.
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Help me out, Bullfrog wins the wet test, the dealer seems to have given you good advice, why are you not buying a Bullfrog. They make a good tub, I think they are very well built and if I sold them would push that more than the Jet pacs which to me is a highly debatable benefit but they are a solid tub.
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Help me out, Bullfrog wins the wet test, the dealer seems to have given you good advice, why are you not buying a Bullfrog. They make a good tub, I think they are very well built and if I sold them would push that more than the Jet pacs which to me is a highly debatable benefit but they are a solid tub.
I stayed away from the Bullfrog initally because it seemed a little gimicky. It was also the very first spa delaership I visited and I had sticker shock. Now that I know what a spa costs, I went back to give him a second chance and to wet test.
I haven't ruled him out at all. He has definitely made the cut. Right now I'm trying out everyone's spas. I will definitely be back to the Bullfrog dealership unless someone makes me an offer I can't refuse.
PS...The Bullforg dealer did 3 things that nobody else has done:
1. He showed me this last months invoices (he volunteered, I didn't ask)
2. He gave me the name of a customer that has a jetpack that I wanted to test but couldn't because he didn't have it in stock.
3. He was the dealer that informed me that he could give me the break on the tax if I had a prescription from my doc. I told him that I needed a spa because i had a degeneratice joint syndrome and he volunteered that info.
So all in all, I must say that he has impressed me.
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They make a good tub, I think they are very well built and if I sold them would push that more than the Jet pacs which to me is a highly debatable benefit but they are a solid tub.
Mendo
That does it! I'm calling Bullfrog. You've been in the closet long enough ;D. I'm sure they would love to have a established dealer in California. Bullfrog should fit right in as a alternative to Marquis for your customers.
Come on, I could really use some help around here ;D
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I agree that it makes no sense for anyone to lie about this issue. I just can't fathom a dealer not knowing the answer as hydrotherapy has been reccomended for so long by doctors for arthritis, fibromylagia, etc.
A dealer can actually use this a selling feature.
The incosiistancy between dealers is perplexing. I will call the VA Board of Taxation today to get an answer from them.
Maybe the dealers truly just don't know.
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Solo, just throwing this out there...one former member of the forum purchased a tub hoping it would help with her very bad fibromylagia. Unfortunately, she ended up closing up the tub (not sure if she still even has it). Apparently it didn't provide the help for her situation that she had hoped.
I attended an arthritis seminar in the spring. The best recommendation that they gave was warm water exercise..so be sure if you are going to spend all this money, that you have enough room to move around and exercise. While the therapy feels wonderful, your over-all condition would best benefit from a good exercise program in warm water.
Just a thought....
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Solo, just throwing this out there...one former member of the forum purchased a tub hoping it would help with her very bad fibromylagia. Unfortunately, she ended up closing up the tub (not sure if she still even has it). Apparently it didn't provide the help for her situation that she had hoped.
I attended an arthritis seminar in the spring. The best recommendation that they gave was warm water exercise..so be sure if you are going to spend all this money, that you have enough room to move around and exercise. While the therapy feels wonderful, your over-all condition would best benefit from a good exercise program in warm water.
Just a thought....
Thank you. Yes, I already do exercise in a heated pool at the gym. And it is an excellent suggestion. The spa is prescribed by my doc for release of various trugger points. I can tell that the spa defitinetly releases the one in my lower back and I sleep better after a good soak.
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I called the Virginia Department of Taxation to get their stance on the issue. They referred me to a specific ruling. PD 03-30 in the VA Tax Library.
Every spa sold in VA must have sales tax, with or without a prescription.
Thought everyone might be interested to know what the state says.
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I called the Virginia Department of Taxation to get their stance on the issue. They referred me to a specific ruling. PD 03-30 in the VA Tax Library.
Every spa sold in VA must have sales tax, with or without a prescription.
Thought everyone might be interested to know what the state says.
Oh no! Now the Bullfrog dealer, who you like, turns out to be a major liar! ;)
Now what???
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The plot sickens.....
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I called the Virginia Department of Taxation to get their stance on the issue. They referred me to a specific ruling. PD 03-30 in the VA Tax Library.
Every spa sold in VA must have sales tax, with or without a prescription.
Thought everyone might be interested to know what the state says.
How do you know the Virginia Department of Taxation isn't lying to get you to pay taxes when you don't need to?
They are "the man" after all, you can't trust them.
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Oh no! Now the Bullfrog dealer, who you like, turns out to be a major liar! ;)
Now what???
Liking or trusting my dealer is not a prerequisite.
But I did email the ruling to the Bullfrog rep. I would hate for him to get audited and get nailed.
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It does sound like the dealer is inflating his prices to cover the sales tax or else is involved in some kind of fraudulent activity...neither of which is good.
I would run away as fast as I could.
Terminator
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It does sound like the dealer is inflating his prices to cover the sales tax or else is involved in some kind of fraudulent activity...neither of which is good.
I would run away as fast as I could.
Terminator
wow, big jump, fraudulent acitvity?
Run as fast as you can, to where, hotsprings? :D
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wow, big jump, fraudulent acitvity?
Run as fast as you can, to where, hotsprings? :D
To Katmandu for all I care.
IF solo is reporting factually and
IF the dealer is telling him that he doesn't have to pay sales tax with a prescription and
IF the State of Virginia says that the dealer must collect sales tax
THEN it sounds like either fraud or deceit in my book. OR, the dealer is inept, which would still be grounds to seek out a more reputable organization, whomsoever that might be.
Terminator
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Term/Dan dont you guys know the HS dealer in VA, call them and see if some idiot is coming in and yanking there chain?? Probably small in size, jet black hair combed over the top, a pocket protector and kind of skiddish and never looks them in the eye. May have elderly woman with him.
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1. I do have a "malady" as you would say. It is Ehler's Danlos Syndrome, a rare genetic connective tissue disroder and it is very painful. Google it if you care to learn what I am going through.
2. I do have a prescription from a medical doctor for the tub.
So I wouldn't quite classify myself as someone trying to abuse the system. I didn't even know that I could save the taxes with my prescription until my Bullfrog rep told me.
Solo - Sorry for the acquisitions. As you can tell, we've seen any number of yo-yo's coming on here trying to save money by any way possible and your initial posts made it appear that the "tax evasion" question was simply the next iteration of that pursuit. In your case, this "tax evasion" method would be legit.
BTW - I am having problems accessing the Private Messaging system from the location I am at this week so here are the details on what I paid for my unit 4 years ago as well as my recommendations for comparison pricing on your current efforts.
The J-365's being bought by others range "up to" $8,500 but I did see a number of people getting them in the low $7K's (around $7,200 seems to be the current lowest price). I am not certain if that is with or without a stereo or not (I suspect it's not). Three guys in this forum bought J-365's and I think two of them were under $7,500. The jacuzzi products changed a little bit over the past 4 years. My J-370 is 480 gallons and has a lounger so it's pretty much what you said you were originally looking for. Mine was $6,500 and it INCLUDED the built in Stereo. At the time, I had the best price of anyone I could find on the internet. The J-360 (at the time) was $500 cheaper so $6,000 would have been the price at that time for that unit.
I also had exclusive Bullfrog costing from that period and can tell you that at the time, I would have made a LOT of money selling Bullfrog and if I were to re-consider opening up a business, they would be either first or second on my list of choices. The one thing is that "some" Bullfrog dealers are VERY greedy and don't discount much. In order to "get leverage" on those dealers, you need to let them know that they would HAVE to compete on PRICE as well as features. They have the room to come down.
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Even with the hard time I get in this forum, I think I'm addicted!
Buillfrog Spa? Man, I am so torn. It was the best massage I got from any spa on my lower back.
But I have read the following:
1. Gunk builds up behiond the jet packs requiring a lot of maintenance time
2. The water pipe running around the top of the spa gives poor insullation for the water and hence higher heating costs.
3. All the unions at the jet packs can be troublesome
4. Another dealer told me that they are innovative spas but use old technology
I don't know if any of the above is true. I like the spa and the dealer. Hard to know for certain anything else.
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Term/Dan dont you guys know the HS dealer in VA, call them and see if some idiot is coming in and yanking there chain?? Probably small in size, jet black hair combed over the top, a pocket protector and kind of skiddish and never looks them in the eye. May have elderly woman with him.
all I can see is Napoleon Dynamite's brother Kip
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all I can see is Napoleon Dynamite's brother Kip
LOL ;D ;D
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Even with the hard time I get in this forum, I think I'm addicted!
Buillfrog Spa? Man, I am so torn. It was the best massage I got from any spa on my lower back.
But I have read the following:
1. Gunk builds up behiond the jet packs requiring a lot of maintenance time
2. The water pipe running around the top of the spa gives poor insullation for the water and hence higher heating costs.
3. All the unions at the jet packs can be troublesome
4. Another dealer told me that they are innovative spas but use old technology
I don't know if any of the above is true. I like the spa and the dealer. Hard to know for certain anything else.
Have you even tried the Jacuzzi yet?? J-345, J-355
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My jacuzzi dealer sold her floor model to someone that was in a hurry. So I am waiting for het to get another tub hooked up.
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Term/Dan dont you guys know the HS dealer in VA, call them and see if some idiot is coming in and yanking there chain?? Probably small in size, jet black hair combed over the top, a pocket protector and kind of skiddish and never looks them in the eye. May have elderly woman with him.
If it's Mahoney and his guys, they are more than capable of handling the situation.
I think solo's just trying to find the best deal, I don't begrudge him that one bit.
Selling spas is not the most stressful line of work. I would do my best to accomodate solo if he came in my store, but he would've gotten my best offer straight off the bat and been told the following by me:
1. That the individual jets in the Sovereign have the same pressure and feel as the Vista. However, the Vista has more jets and larger pumps. The Soothing Seven, Rotary, Hydromassage, JetStream Jets, etc will feel the same across the board, and that is fact.
2. The Sovereign HP and the Sovereign Classic are pretty much the same except for:
Styling, Ozonator, SS Escutcheons, Water Feature, Pump Size, Color Options and price and that is fact.
3. The MotoMassage DX is not the same as the MotoMassage with a Hydropulse faceplate. They are different.
I'm sure I could've saved him a lot of time, effort, and aggravation and he would probably be enjoying his spa, but he ain't in Texas so it is out of my hands.
Terminator
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Even with the hard time I get in this forum, I think I'm addicted!
Buillfrog Spa? Man, I am so torn. It was the best massage I got from any spa on my lower back.
But I have read the following:
1. Gunk builds up behiond the jet packs requiring a lot of maintenance time
2. The water pipe running around the top of the spa gives poor insullation for the water and hence higher heating costs.
3. All the unions at the jet packs can be troublesome
4. Another dealer told me that they are innovative spas but use old technology
I don't know if any of the above is true. I like the spa and the dealer. Hard to know for certain anything else.
1. NO "gunk" builds up behind the jet packs. That issue was addressed years ago, that is a fallicy.
2. The water piping that runs around the top perimeter is encased in insulation.
3. The unions all have replaceable rubber o-rings and are only hand tightened. In addition, they're simply not used touched that often. Not an issue.
4. Old technology?? They use the very same Balboa electronics as 90% of the high end spas made use. More untruths.
Is it the best spa made? No. But I've had mine for 16 months without a single issue at all. Any dealer that talks another spa down in order to make their brand sound superior is a loser, and in my opinion should be avoided.
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Hot Spring, Caldera, Sundance and Jacuzzi do not use Balboa Controls. Those for brands certainly account for more than 10% of the high end market.
Another fact bites the dust. :(
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If what you say is true than I stand corrected, though you simply saying it hardly makes it true. Their website says that they are the largest OEM manufacturer of spa controls and heaters. Saying the technology is old is just ignorant.
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If what you say is true than I stand corrected, though you simply saying it hardly makes it true. Their website says that they are the largest OEM manufacturer of spa controls and heaters. Saying the technology is old is just ignorant.
McDonalds is the largest hamburger manufacturer. Saying that means they make a good hamburger is just ignorant.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Touche!
What the heck are McRiblets anyways???
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Touche!
What the heck are McRiblets anyways???
Processed pig innerds. I've got a whole box of Tony Roma pig innerd samwiches in my fridge.
I try to eat at least one every day for cholesterol balance.
Term
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If it's Mahoney and his guys, they are more than capable of handling the situation.
Terminator
Joe Mahoney is my dealer, but he is here in Rockville & Clarksburg, Md and Fairfax Va.
Does he also have a store in Richmond?
BTW, Joe and his crew are a good bunch.
I hope they are not involved in the grizzly carnage that has become "Solo's Spa Search" :D
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Mahoney and crew?? So if you dont pay for the spa in time does he send Rocky out to take care of it?? :o :)
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Joe is in the DC area, not Richmond.
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1. NO "gunk" builds up behind the jet packs. That issue was addressed years ago, that is a fallicy.
2. The water piping that runs around the top perimeter is encased in insulation.
3. The unions all have replaceable rubber o-rings and are only hand tightened. In addition, they're simply not used touched that often. Not an issue.
4. Old technology?? They use the very same Balboa electronics as 90% of the high end spas made use. More untruths.
Is it the best spa made? No. But I've had mine for 16 months without a single issue at all. Any dealer that talks another spa down in order to make their brand sound superior is a loser, and in my opinion should be avoided.
Hey R.O.
Thanks for answering this one, It really does get repetative after a while :P
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Solo, i probally shouldn't reply to your threads but if your looking for some type of magic to cure your physical pains a hot tub might be the answers your looking for , yes it will alleviate some of your pain for the moment but it's not magic find one that you can live with and give you the best comfort zone and all will be well.
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Thanks guy for all the kind words about Joe Mahoney and his crew! I've been working for Joe for alittle over 3 years. His operation is top notch! We do sell spas around the DC metro area but do not travel as far down as Richmond! We have a no haggle policy, so dealing with Solo wouldn't happen. And Jim, when customers do not pay, we don't send Rocky, we send Seahawk, all 6'4" and 350lbs of myself. People for some reason tend to pay up when I Show up! :)
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Their website says that they are the largest OEM manufacturer of spa controls and heaters.
Well, I guess if they say it on their website, it must be true. 8-)
They use the very same Balboa electronics as 90% of the high end spas made use.
Huh? We use Gecko and Global Components, last I checked, and we do like to think of ourselves as high-end. Guess we're in that 10% slot, squished in with the rest.
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Guess yours is the only truthful website on the net. 8-)
And who is "WE" anyway?
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I've seen no responses lately, maybe it's to late or possiballly he found the perfect spa and doesn't have time to respond who know's ??????????????
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In short...
They're ALL lying to ya and you should just forget a spa and go buy a nice leather sectional, big screen TV with a surround sound system and call it good!! ::)
Whew...glad THAT'S over... :-X
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In short...
They're ALL lying to ya
Glad to see you have now realized this...
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Glad to see you have now realized this...
Oh I realized very early on that someone was full of sh*t! ::)
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Solo I liked the theory of the bullfrog line since I work in maintence with pumps in general the least amount of restiction should give you the best pressure but I never wet tested so can't give you an honest review of them and If I would buy a new spa I would defiantely compare their line to all the others but if it doesn't feel right go to option B and see which one feels the best.
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Solo I liked the theory of the bullfrog line since I work in maintence with pumps in general the least amount of restiction should give you the best pressure but I never wet tested so can't give you an honest review of them and If I would buy a new spa I would defiantely compare their line to all the others but if it doesn't feel right go to option B and see which one feels the best.
I wet tested a Bullfrog and liked it. But it was the top of the line model which I would not be buying. If I get serious about Bullfrog (and I am starting to), I will ask him to fill the mid line series which is in my price range.
I also need to look at Calderra and Jacuzzi.
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.. But it was the top of the line model which I would not be buying.
See Vinny...I'm not even going to comment on that... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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See Vinny...I'm not even going to comment on that... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
GOOD FOR YOU STEVE!!!! ;D
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I wet tested a Bullfrog and liked it. But it was the top of the line model which I would not be buying. If I get serious about Bullfrog (and I am starting to), I will ask him to fill the mid line series which is in my price range.
I also need to look at Calderra and Jacuzzi.
Which one did you wet test?
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Be sure to tell the dealer that you now know the truth about the sales tax and for them to deduct this amount from their quote. If they won't fess up, it would behoove you to continue your search. CYB (cover yer buttcrack)!
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Be sure to tell the dealer that you now know the truth about the sales tax and for them to deduct this amount from their quote. If they won't fess up, it would behoove you to continue your search. CYB (cover yer buttcrack)!
Terminator
term...I appreciagte the advice, but if I follow this, I will have npobody to buy a spa from. The Hotdsprings dealer lied. The Bullfrog dealer lied. If I walked away from every sales guy that lied to get the sale, I would own almost nothing.
I simply expect to have to sift through a certain amount of BS and deception when dealing with sales reps in general.
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SOLO You found a tub u like just split the differance and tell the hs dealer you will give him 8250.00
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since I work in maintence with pumps in general the least amount of restiction should give you the best pressure
Hey Mark,
I don't mean to side track the issue at hand but it sound like we are in similar line of work. What is it that you do? I am in the municipal water treatment industry and spend a lot of time with pumps also
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.....I am in the municipal water treatment industry
When we were younger and did a lot of fishing with my dad, he'd tell us that the big 'pools' at water treatment plants is where fishing minnows were raised. Of course as we got older we realized he was pulling our legs since we had only flushed goldfish down the commode not minnows ;D ;D
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we had only flushed goldfish down the commode not minnows ;D ;D
I know a bunch of people that work in the sewage treatment end of the business that find every single one of those goldfish among other things :o :o :o
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>:( >:(
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Boni,
I'm sure that every one of those goldfish lived to a rip old age and passed away from natural causes
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Who wants to live in a sewer? :P
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Who wants to live in a sewer? :P
Ed Norton :-*
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Gosh, I've been away for a few day's....come back to check out what's going on....Solo, at it again....I love this forum...NEVER A DULL MOMENT...As before, Solo, Blessings on the dealer that sells you a spa...and many good soaks in [glow]WHAT EVER SPA YOU BUY[/glow]..... ;D ;D ;D
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As to the questioning look about Ed Norton....Maybe before your time, Kinda was mine also, BUT it's from the Jackie Gleason Show ....! ;D ;D ;D
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Did it start on the Jackie Gleason show or the Honeymooners? I kind of remember watching both (maybe reruns ... I was born in 1959) and I think Ed Norton was in the Honeymooners.
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Boni,
I'm sure that every one of those goldfish lived to a rip old age and passed away from natural causes
By "passing away", if you mean that passing through the pipes due to a handle being depressed by the eldest of the tribe, then Yes, I would think that it could be termed "passing away of natural causes"....LOL
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Vinny...you are right. (nothing new there) ;D...it was the "Honeymooner's" Sorry fo the mis-info fellow forum folks. I stand corrected.!!! :-[
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I know a bunch of people that work in the sewage treatment end of the business that find every single one of those goldfish among other things :o :o :o
I always wondered about those other things! ::)
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Vinny...you are right. (nothing new there) ;D...it was the "Honeymooner's" Sorry fo the mis-info fellow forum folks. I stand corrected.!!! :-[
Oh ooh ... I'm starting to be pegged as a "know it all"! :-[ Please don't do that to me. :( There are a ton of things that I don't know about and I do know I screw up a lot as well. I'm just geeky with an unexciting life.
It was quite possible that "The Honeymooners" started as a skit on the Jackie Gleason show and spun off into it's own show, I don't remember if it did or not.
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Solo, I'm curious what you do for a living? Spill the beans.......
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Solo, I'm curious what you do for a living? Spill the beans.......
He's a head hunter. It's in a separate thread. Going back to the original title of the thread, could I provide the answer...the one who's lips are moving... (Probably also from the honeymooners)...
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Solo, I'm curious what you do for a living? Spill the beans.......
That's correct, I ama headhunter.
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Solo, I'm curious what you do for a living? Spill the beans.......
I haven't read the 8 million other posts, so please forgive me if this is a repeat, but I'm pretty sure he is a professional internet troll. He's had his fun here, so hopefully he'll move on to his next forum soon. I'm also not ruling out the possibility that he's a current member of this forum with a few screws loose. He's just using a new user name.
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Vinny...you are right. (nothing new there) ;D...it was the "Honeymooner's" Sorry fo the mis-info fellow forum folks. [glow]I stand corrected.!!![/glow] :-[
Bam-zoom, to the moon WSN!!! :D
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go back to catching bad guys spiderman, you ain't worth doodoo picking out internet trolls. Solo has been quite respectful in the open line of fire that you and others have laid on him.
I haven't read the 8 million other posts, so please forgive me if this is a repeat, but I'm pretty sure he is a professional internet troll. He's had his fun here, so hopefully he'll move on to his next forum soon. I'm also not ruling out the possibility that he's a current member of this forum with a few screws loose. He's just using a new user name.